On Wednesday 02 December 2009 10:18:56 Malte Steiner wrote: I stayed away for a long time due to TOS issues but I can say that one benefit for the personal account holder is in fact the ability to limit what is seen to friends only. That does not apply to something like this though. I think it may be that we seem to live in a world where proprietary and patent pending are selling points for most rather than the turn offs that they are for me. all the best, drew

On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 01:12:59PM -0500, drew Roberts wrote: Agreed. As something of a Free Software zealot, I have a natural loathing for proprietary sites that require logins, and a deep suspicion of stuff like Facebook and Wave. I was kind of annoyed when a Free Software Currency project I'm involved in started using Google Docs for all the planning and document review... bypassing our own Wiki. That said, everyone uses this stuff, it's user-friendly for the non-geeks, and it's free (for now anyway). So, I guess, some limited assimilation is inevitable. -ken

Malte Steiner wrote: I'm on GoogleWave. It has potential, not yet realized. It might be interesting to explore collaboration via GoogleWave - it's realtime chat (with multiple threading!), makes sharing files very easy, and hooks the files right into the corresponding part of the wave. It is really pushing the capabilities of the most modern browsers, though, and is definitely still an alpha product. Jury's still out on that. Web X.0 covers a whole range of things - not just the "social web" (Facebook, MySpace, etc) or the "business social web" (LinkedIn, etc). goodreads.com is a nicely-realized Web 2.0 application. True, but some of it couldn't be done so conveniently and by non-technical people. That's a big benefit if the purpose is to encourage the use of FLOSS software and Linux in particular amongst the big world of audio. Certainly, if a non-Linux user comes upon some Linux-using musician's work and goes, "Wow, that's good stuff!" and thinks of (or hopefully acts on) checking out Linux for audio use, cool. Even if they just decide to plunk down some money and buy the music, it helps $upport Linux-using musicians. I think it reflects the fact that there are far more users of Ableton and the other big commercial audio apps than there are of Linux audio apps. Although I met someone a few weeks ago who has been a Windows-based audio user for over 8 years - and had NEVER heard of Ableton Live! Or (the negative side of me) could it be that they don't have to struggle with configuring their systems to make music, so they have more time to do things like participate on the social web? ;-) -- David gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community

On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 20:42 -0600, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: Damn you! You piqued my curiosity just enough to take a look! You've INFECTED MY MIND!!!! Out of morbid curiosity, nedko, is that really you?

Ng Oon-Ee wrote: I believe the nose is some sort of prosthetic possibly designed to compensate for a horrible childhood accident, though it may also serve to increase vocal resonance - think of it as an acoustic interface rather than an electronic one. Frank

On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 14:30 +0200, Nedko Arnaudov wrote: The humanity of Jack just increased, in my eyes. Won't mention the absurdity level though... =0p