20 Nov
2009
20 Nov
'09
3:22 a.m.
You know what's weird?
Every player I've tried so far (Songbird, Amarok, MPlayer, Aqualung) reads
the FLAC file's length incorrectly.
Why is this?
I'm willing to bet this could be part of the reason that all the players
I've tried cannot reliable play a FLAC playlist.
Hmmmmm.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Aaron L. <elmastero74(a)gmail.com> wrote:
You know what's weird?
Every player I've tried so far (Songbird, Amarok, MPlayer, Aqualung) reads
the FLAC file's length incorrectly.
Why is this?
I'm willing to bet this could be part of the reason that all the players
I've tried cannot reliable play a FLAC playlist.
Hmmmmm.
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Sean Corbett <seanbutnotheard(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Ah, the usual Linux music player run-around...
Lately I've found
myself enjoying the simplicity of MOC (http://moc.daper.net/). It
automatically uses Jack if it's running, and if not goes directly for
ALSA. It's terminal/curses based, very simple and lightweight with a
Midnight-Commander-like interface. Being able to ssh to it without
X-forwarding is nice.
Sean
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20 Nov
20 Nov
3:46 a.m.
New subject: best FLAC player?
You know what's weird? Mplayer plays FLAC files just fine here, whether
from a playlist or all by itself. Of course, so does Kaffeine.
FWIW, it reports the length of MP3 files wrong, too - it reports one of
my own recordings at 5m08s but the song only runs 2m22s ...
Aaron L. wrote:
You know what's weird?
Every player I've tried so far (Songbird, Amarok, MPlayer, Aqualung)
reads the FLAC file's length incorrectly.
Why is this?
I'm willing to bet this could be part of the reason that all the players
I've tried cannot reliable play a FLAC playlist.
Hmmmmm.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Aaron L. wrote:
You know what's weird?
Every player I've tried so far (Songbird, Amarok, MPlayer, Aqualung)
reads the FLAC file's length incorrectly.
Why is this?
I'm willing to bet this could be part of the reason that all the
players I've tried cannot reliable play a FLAC playlist.
Hmmmmm.
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Sean Corbett
<seanbutnotheard(a)gmail.com <mailto:seanbutnotheard@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ah, the usual Linux music player run-around... Lately I've found
myself enjoying the simplicity of MOC (http://moc.daper.net/). It
automatically uses Jack if it's running, and if not goes
directly for
ALSA. It's terminal/curses based, very simple and lightweight
with a
Midnight-Commander-like interface. Being able to ssh to it without
X-forwarding is nice.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
8:11 a.m.
New subject: best FLAC player?
On 20/11/2009, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
[mplayer] reports the length of MP3 files wrong, too -
it reports one of
my own recordings at 5m08s but the song only runs 2m22s ...
Is it a variable-rate MP3, by any chance? In which case, it's probably
dividing the length of the song in bytes by the bitrate of the first
frame; no really good way to fix that, other than by recording the
real song length (or mean bitrate) somewhere else.
9:17 a.m.
New subject: best FLAC player?
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:11:52 +0000
Gwenhwyfaer <gwenhwyfaer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 20/11/2009, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com>
wrote:
I'm sure there is a good way to fix that, just few players implement
it. I'm sure the length can be found in some header or tag or
something. Foobar2k manages to show it correctly, so should others.
[mplayer] reports the length of MP3 files wrong,
too - it reports
one of my own recordings at 5m08s but the song only runs 2m22s ...
Is it a variable-rate MP3, by any chance? In which case, it's probably
dividing the length of the song in bytes by the bitrate of the first
frame; no really good way to fix that, other than by recording the
real song length (or mean bitrate) somewhere else.
11:25 a.m.
New subject: best FLAC player?
On 20/11/2009, hollunder(a)gmx.at <hollunder(a)gmx.at> wrote:
Well, there is one way to fix it - read the entire MP3 file at once
(since you only really care about the length of a file which you
already have all of) and counting each frame, without looking at the
bitrate. But for players which treat files and streams identically, I
guess an iffy time display is quite a way down on the list of sins.
Mind, there's no excuse whatsoever for my portable MP3 player getting
it wrong. ;-)
Is it a
variable-rate MP3, by any chance? In which case, it's probably
dividing the length of the song in bytes by the bitrate of the first
frame; no really good way to fix that, other than by recording the
real song length (or mean bitrate) somewhere else.
I'm sure there is a good way to fix that, just few players implement
it. I'm sure the length can be found in some header or tag or
something. Foobar2k manages to show it correctly, so should others. 
23 Nov
23 Nov
3:33 p.m.
New subject: best FLAC player?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 03:24:58PM +0000, Gwenhwyfaer wrote:
On 20/11/2009, hollunder(a)gmx.at
<hollunder(a)gmx.at> wrote:
Well, there is one way to fix it - read the entire MP3 file at once
(since you only really care about the length of a file which you
already have all of) and counting each frame, without looking at the
bitrate. But for players which treat files and streams identically, I
guess an iffy time display is quite a way down on the list of sins.
Mind, there's no excuse whatsoever for my portable MP3 player getting
it wrong. ;-)
If I chop up an MP3 or Ogg file, using mpgsplt or oggz-chop, the time is forever wrong on
that file. It'll show the start time that it was in the ORIGINAL file, not in this
new, shorter file, which should start from 00:00. And, alas, my Sanza Fuze loses control
of its bladder when it sees a file starting at 49:32, for example, and refuses to play
it.
-ken
Is it a
variable-rate MP3, by any chance? In which case, it's probably
dividing the length of the song in bytes by the bitrate of the first
frame; no really good way to fix that, other than by recording the
real song length (or mean bitrate) somewhere else.
I'm sure there is a good way to fix that, just few players implement
it. I'm sure the length can be found in some header or tag or
something. Foobar2k manages to show it correctly, so should others. 
3:37 p.m.
New subject: best FLAC player?
2009/11/24 Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org>
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 03:24:58PM +0000, Gwenhwyfaer
wrote:
Are we looking at a library (low-level) fault here? If so we should staple
and bug a bug report.
On 20/11/2009, hollunder(a)gmx.at
<hollunder(a)gmx.at> wrote:
Well, there is one way to fix it - read the entire MP3 file at once
(since you only really care about the length of a file which you
already have all of) and counting each frame, without looking at the
bitrate. But for players which treat files and streams identically, I
guess an iffy time display is quite a way down on the list of sins.
Mind, there's no excuse whatsoever for my portable MP3 player getting
it wrong. ;-)
If I chop up an MP3 or Ogg file, using mpgsplt or oggz-chop, the time is
forever wrong on that file. It'll show the start time that it was in the
ORIGINAL file, not in this new, shorter file, which should start from 00:00.
And, alas, my Sanza Fuze loses control of its bladder when it sees a file
starting at 49:32, for example, and refuses to play it.
-ken Is it a
variable-rate MP3, by any chance? In which case, it's probably
dividing the length of the song in bytes by the bitrate of the first
frame; no really good way to fix that, other than by recording the
real song length (or mean bitrate) somewhere else.
I'm sure there is a good way to fix that, just few players implement
it. I'm sure the length can be found in some header or tag or
something. Foobar2k manages to show it correctly, so should others.
5:32 p.m.
New subject: best FLAC player?
I've noticed that these time issues are the problems with Songbird choking
on my FLAC files as well. If a song is listed as being 15 days, 6 hours and
50 minutes long, we got problems.......
I haven't dug too far into it but I'm thinking that it's an issue with how
the song gets tagged??
-aaron
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Ray Rashif <schivmeister(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2009/11/24 Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org>
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 03:24:58PM +0000,
Gwenhwyfaer wrote:
If I chop up an MP3 or Ogg file, using mpgsplt or oggz-chop, the time is
forever wrong on that file. It'll show the start time that it was in the
ORIGINAL file, not in this new, shorter file, which should start from 00:00.
And, alas, my Sanza Fuze loses control of its bladder when it sees a file
starting at 49:32, for example, and refuses to play it.
-ken
Are we looking at a library (low-level) fault here? If so we should staple
and bug a bug report.
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On 20/11/2009, hollunder(a)gmx.at
<hollunder(a)gmx.at> wrote:
>> Is it a variable-rate MP3, by any chance? In which case, it's
probably
>
dividing the length of the song in bytes by the bitrate of the first
> frame; no really good way to fix that, other than by recording the
> real song length (or mean bitrate) somewhere else.
I'm sure there is a good way to fix that, just few players implement
it. I'm sure the length can be found in some header or tag or
something. Foobar2k manages to show it correctly, so should others.
Well, there is one way to fix it - read the entire MP3 file at once
(since you only really care about the length of a file which you
already have all of) and counting each frame, without looking at the
bitrate. But for players which treat files and streams identically, I
guess an iffy time display is quite a way down on the list of sins.
Mind, there's no excuse whatsoever for my portable MP3 player getting
it wrong. ;-)
5:58 p.m.
New subject: best FLAC player?
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:32:17 -0800
"Aaron L." <elmastero74(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I've noticed that these time issues are the
problems with Songbird
choking on my FLAC files as well. If a song is listed as being 15
days, 6 hours and 50 minutes long, we got problems.......
I haven't dug too far into it but I'm thinking that it's an issue
with how the song gets tagged??
-aaron
It could well be a tagging issue, or an issue with the header.
>> If I chop up an MP3 or Ogg file, using
mpgsplt or oggz-chop, the
>> time is forever wrong on that file. It'll show the start time that
>> it was in the ORIGINAL file, not in this new, shorter file, which
>> should start from 00:00. And, alas, my Sanza Fuze loses control of
>> its bladder when it sees a file starting at 49:32, for example,
>> and refuses to play it.
>>
>> -ken
This sounds like the length information is stored in a tag or header
and those programs don't update these as they probably should.
So yeah, what I'd do is have a look at the tag first, if it doesn't
reveal anything it's likely the header. This might be different for all
of these formats.
There's a very good resource I know:
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
and the forum:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/
Lots of codec devs and other knowledgeable people hang out there. With
their help it should be possible to figure out what's wrong, file
bugs and help the devs of apps that get it wrong to get it right.
Maybe we can follow this here? I bet these issues annoy lots of people
all the time. Maybe form kind of a workgroup, collect and share
information? I think this is something even users like me/us can do.
Regards,
Philipp
24 Nov
24 Nov
5:18 a.m.
New subject: best FLAC player?
On Monday 23 November 2009 22:32:17 Aaron L. wrote:
I've noticed that these time issues are the
problems with Songbird choking
on my FLAC files as well. If a song is listed as being 15 days, 6 hours
and 50 minutes long, we got problems.......
Or its just one of the shorter John Cage pieces :-)
(To long since that name was mentioned on this list...)
Arnold
6:53 a.m.
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Arnold Krille wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2009 22:32:17 Aaron L. wrote:
"I know why the Caged songbird sings" ...
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I've noticed that these time issues are the
problems with Songbird choking
on my FLAC files as well. If a song is listed as being 15 days, 6 hours
and 50 minutes long, we got problems.......
Or its just one of the shorter John Cage pieces :-)
(To long since that name was mentioned on this list...)
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