21 Oct
2011
21 Oct
'11
2:39 p.m.
Hi all,
can you recommend me some inexpensive but good small monitors and
headphones for home recording? No high aspirations yet, just for doing
various demos on my laptop. Admittedly, I don't know how to define
"good" here, I just need them to be perceptibly better than your average
desktop speakers and earbuds :) Similarly, I don't really know what
"inexpensive" is referring to the above, but as a wild guess, let's
start from $100. I prefer plain audio solutions, though will consider
USB ones (my Samsung Q70 has two US ports only, so that puts some
limitations).
Regards,
Artem Vakhitov
21 Oct
21 Oct
2:42 p.m.
On 21.10.2011 16:39, Artem Vakhitov wrote:
Hi all,
can you recommend me some inexpensive but good small monitors and
headphones for home recording? No high aspirations yet, just for doing
various demos on my laptop. Admittedly, I don't know how to define
"good" here, I just need them to be perceptibly better than your average
desktop speakers and earbuds :) Similarly, I don't really know what
"inexpensive" is referring to the above, but as a wild guess, let's
start from $100. I prefer plain audio solutions, though will consider
USB ones (my Samsung Q70 has two US ports only, so that puts some
limitations).
BTW, I use M-Audio Firewire Solo as my audio interface, if that matters
somehow.
Regards,
Artem Vakhitov
3:29 p.m.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Artem Vakhitov <temcat(a)mail.ru> wrote:
On 21.10.2011 16:39, Artem Vakhitov wrote:
I also have a M-Audio Firewire Solo. I don't know how much experience
you've had with yours, but if you haven't updated the firmware on it then I
would strongly advise against doing it. If you have, then you already
understand the pain.
For monitors I have a pair of M-Audio BX5a's. When I'm recording and need
some isolation I have a pair of Sennheiser HD 280 pro headphones and for
double checking mixes I have a pair of Sennheiser HD 595 (open air)
headphones. Of course this all costs more than $100, but I'd consider it all
"budget" class and it doesn't suck.
--Steve
Hi all,
can you recommend me some inexpensive but good small monitors and
headphones for home recording? No high aspirations yet, just for doing
various demos on my laptop. Admittedly, I don't know how to define
"good" here, I just need them to be perceptibly better than your average
desktop speakers and earbuds :) Similarly, I don't really know what
"inexpensive" is referring to the above, but as a wild guess, let's
start from $100. I prefer plain audio solutions, though will consider
USB ones (my Samsung Q70 has two US ports only, so that puts some
limitations).
BTW, I use M-Audio Firewire Solo as my audio interface, if that matters
somehow.
4:47 p.m.
On 21.10.2011 17:29, S C Rigler wrote:
I also have a M-Audio Firewire Solo. I don't know how much experience
you've had with yours, but if you haven't updated the firmware on it
then I would strongly advise against doing it. If you have, then you
already understand the pain.
Thank you for the helpful tip! I haven't updated the firmware and didn't
intend to since the card works OK for me (other than having no software
mixer in Linux). Now I now for sure that I shouldn't.
For monitors I have a pair of M-Audio BX5a's.
When I'm recording and
need some isolation I have a pair of Sennheiser HD 280 pro headphones
and for double checking mixes I have a pair of Sennheiser HD 595 (open
air) headphones. Of course this all costs more than $100, but I'd
consider it all "budget" class and it doesn't suck.
Thanks! BX5a is one of the options I'm considering currently based on
the recommendations I've got so far.
Regards,
Artem Vakhitov
2:43 p.m.
I'd say that if you're not willing to put more then $100 in you might aswell
wait with buying monitors. Sadly with monitors expensive means good, and
buying bad/budget monitors for a start will only cost you more if you keep
doing what you're doing (since you're gonna want some real monitors).
On the other hand, if you're willing to put more money in, I'm real happy
with my Adam A3X monitors. Not sure what they cost a pair though but they're
small and thus fairly cheap. For general purposes I'd say take a look at
Adam or Genlec, those are two brands that always performs in tests etc.
Regards,
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Artem Vakhitov <temcat(a)mail.ru> wrote:
Hi all,
can you recommend me some inexpensive but good small monitors and
headphones for home recording? No high aspirations yet, just for doing
various demos on my laptop. Admittedly, I don't know how to define "good"
here, I just need them to be perceptibly better than your average desktop
speakers and earbuds :) Similarly, I don't really know what "inexpensive"
is
referring to the above, but as a wild guess, let's start from $100. I prefer
plain audio solutions, though will consider USB ones (my Samsung Q70 has two
US ports only, so that puts some limitations).
Regards,
Artem Vakhitov
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On 21.10.2011 16:43, Gabbe Nord wrote:
I'd say that if you're not willing to put more
then $100 in you might
aswell wait with buying monitors. Sadly with monitors expensive means
good, and buying bad/budget monitors for a start will only cost you more
if you keep doing what you're doing (since you're gonna want some real
monitors).
Sorry, I didn't mean that I'm not willing to pay more than $100. As I
said, it was a wild guess precisely because I don't know what
inexpensive means in this field.
On the other hand, if you're willing to put more
money in, I'm real
happy with my Adam A3X monitors. Not sure what they cost a pair though
but they're small and thus fairly cheap. For general purposes I'd say
take a look at Adam or Genlec, those are two brands that always performs
in tests etc.
Thanks for the recommendation. Are there cheaper options that won't
sacrifice quality in a way that defeats the purpose?
Regards,
Artem Vakhitov
2:59 p.m.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Artem Vakhitov <temcat(a)mail.ru> wrote:
Hi all,
can you recommend me some inexpensive but good small monitors and headphones
for home recording? No high aspirations yet, just for doing various demos on
my laptop. Admittedly, I don't know how to define "good" here, I just need
them to be perceptibly better than your average desktop speakers and earbuds
:) Similarly, I don't really know what "inexpensive" is referring to the
above, but as a wild guess, let's start from $100. I prefer plain audio
solutions, though will consider USB ones (my Samsung Q70 has two US ports
only, so that puts some limitations).
If you want to spend a little bit more, these might fit the bill:
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MAudioAV30.html
M-Audio has refererence headphone monitors also
--
Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.electricminstrel.com
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"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it,
it would overturn the world."
-- Jelaleddin Rumi
3:03 p.m.
those 30's are beefy enough BUT the 40 series rock for money which I can
barely believe but they do... I use them at tradeshows even!
thnx
ron
indamixx
2011/10/21 Brett McCoy <idragosani(a)gmail.com>
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Artem Vakhitov
<temcat(a)mail.ru> wrote:
Hi all,
can you recommend me some inexpensive but good small monitors and
headphones
for home recording? No high aspirations yet, just
for doing various demos
on
my laptop. Admittedly, I don't know how to
define "good" here, I just
need
them to be perceptibly better than your average
desktop speakers and
earbuds
:) Similarly, I don't really know what
"inexpensive" is referring to the
above, but as a wild guess, let's start from $100. I prefer plain audio
solutions, though will consider USB ones (my Samsung Q70 has two US ports
only, so that puts some limitations).
If you want to spend a little bit more, these might fit the bill:
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MAudioAV30.html
M-Audio has refererence headphone monitors also
--
Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.electricminstrel.com
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it would overturn the world."
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3:06 p.m.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Ronald Stewart
<ronaldjstewart(a)gmail.com> wrote:
those 30's are beefy enough BUT the 40 series rock
for money which I can
barely believe but they do... I use them at tradeshows even!
thnx
ron
indamixx
I use the BX5s in my studio + the Sub-woofer. They work quite well,
although a bit more expensive than the 30s or 40s.
--
Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.electricminstrel.com
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"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it,
it would overturn the world."
-- Jelaleddin Rumi
4:53 p.m.
On 21.10.2011 17:06, Brett McCoy wrote:
I use the BX5s in my studio + the Sub-woofer. They
work quite well,
although a bit more expensive than the 30s or 40s.
I'm now considering BX5s, besides AV30/40. Tell me more about the
subwoofer: do you use it all the time or for some specific tasks? I
guess sound perception is quite different with and without it...
Regards,
Artem Vakhitov
5 p.m.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Artem Vakhitov <temcat(a)mail.ru> wrote:
On 21.10.2011 17:06, Brett McCoy wrote:
It's good to turn it off to see how it sounds without the sub (to make
sure your mix really has the proper bottom end and you aren't relying
on the sub to give it to your mix), but in general I mix with the sub.
Of course, when mixing with headphones there's no sub, or testing out
mixes with crappy iPhone earbuds or car stereo.
--
Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.electricminstrel.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it,
it would overturn the world."
-- Jelaleddin Rumi
I use the BX5s in my studio + the Sub-woofer. They work quite well,
although a bit more expensive than the 30s or 40s.
I'm now considering BX5s, besides AV30/40. Tell me more about the subwoofer:
do you use it all the time or for some specific tasks? I guess sound
perception is quite different with and without it...
4:48 p.m.
On 21.10.2011 16:58, Brett McCoy wrote:
If you want to spend a little bit more, these might
fit the bill:
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MAudioAV30.html
M-Audio has refererence headphone monitors also
Thanks, that looks more in line with my expectations, since I cannot
afford paying $600 for a pair of monitors just yet. AV30 and 40 are on
my radar now.
Regards,
Artem Vakhitov
3:02 p.m.
On 10/21/2011 02:39 PM, Artem Vakhitov wrote:
Hi all,
can you recommend me some inexpensive but good small monitors and
headphones for home recording? No high aspirations yet, just for doing
various demos on my laptop. Admittedly, I don't know how to define
"good" here, I just need them to be perceptibly better than your
average desktop speakers and earbuds :) Similarly, I don't really know
what "inexpensive" is referring to the above, but as a wild guess,
let's start from $100. I prefer plain audio solutions, though will
consider USB ones (my Samsung Q70 has two US ports only, so that puts
some limitations).
Really awesome for their price (IMHO): Yamaha HS80M. They are a little
more than that though. I think the street price is now at around 500
euros per pair.
Flo
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3:05 p.m.
Really awesome for their price (IMHO): Yamaha HS80M.
They are a little
more than that though. I think the street price is now at around 500
euros per pair.
About Yamaha, I heard a lot of good words, but....
I am not sure about HS80M, but my friend has Yamaha HS50M and they sounds
really crappy - I think that have not enough low response, and some
distorted above 10KHz ? Or just that model is really broken...
From the second side - I own KRK5' - and I like
them - maybe are too
bassy, but for electronic music they are quite nice for
start...
Flo
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3:30 p.m.
On 10/21/2011 03:05 PM, Rafal Zawadzki wrote:
About Yamaha, I heard a lot of good words, but....
I am not sure about HS80M, but my friend has Yamaha HS50M and they sounds
really crappy - I think that have not enough low response, and some
distorted above 10KHz ? Or just that model is really broken...
From the second side - I own KRK5' - and I like them - maybe are too
bassy, but for electronic music they are quite nice for start...
HS50M's here and my other bandmate has them too, he sold his KRK's for
it. They're pretty OK I guess but I did have issues with one particular
mix on a big PA regarding the low response. Haven't noticed any
distortion though. For headphones I use the Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro.
Best,
Jeremy
3:38 p.m.
fredagen den 21 oktober 2011 16.39.16 skrev Artem Vakhitov:
Hi all,
can you recommend me some inexpensive but good small monitors and
headphones for home recording? No high aspirations yet, just for doing
For monitors at that price level? Probably not much, except if you are lucky
and get some used good ones.
For headphones it's much easier. I recommend the closed AKG K271 MKII which is
both inexpensive and used by many professionals.
In my opinion: If a mix sounds good in them, then it will sounds good
everywhere and you can easily spot details and problems with them.
Jostein
5:21 p.m.
On 21.10.2011 17:37, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote:
fredagen den 21 oktober 2011 16.39.16 skrev Artem
Vakhitov:
For monitors at that price level? Probably not much, except if you are lucky
and get some used good ones.
For headphones it's much easier. I recommend the closed AKG K271 MKII which is
both inexpensive and used by many professionals.
In my opinion: If a mix sounds good in them, then it will sounds good
everywhere and you can easily spot details and problems with them.
AKG K271 MKII are on my watch list. The price is right and the reviews
seem to be positive.
Regards,
Artem Vakhitov
5:57 p.m.
A friend of mine has the K271 (Golden coloured sides), they're fine for
doing light work.
On the other hand: I don't think I'd mix an album on headphones, especially
if you intend to pan anything (ie: you're working in stereo)
Fact is that the brain response *very* differently to sounds near the ears
(headphones) or where your stereo speakers normally are.
Also: Beware of KRK Rokits, do some googling for "broken krk rokit 5", read
some forums. I've seen the speakers fail, and don't trust them. Mackie MR5's
are an alternative to the Yamaha HS50, I like the way they sound, very
"clean" "precise" sound if I was to describe it.
I've Tapco S8's here, they're very nice for heavy basslines with the 8 inch
woofer you just get that bit more low end. Supposedly they're quite favoured
by hip hop artists for good hip hop kick drum rep.
I'd have bought Genelec / Adam if I had lots of cash... but the price to
performance of the Tapco S8 is phenomenal compared to the A3X (which was
what I was looking at)
Good luck & let us know what you decide on! -Harry
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Artem Vakhitov <temcat(a)mail.ru> wrote:
On 21.10.2011 17:37, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote:
fredagen den 21 oktober 2011 16.39.16 skrev
Artem Vakhitov:
For monitors at that price level? Probably not much, except if you are
lucky
and get some used good ones.
For headphones it's much easier. I recommend the closed AKG K271 MKII
which is
both inexpensive and used by many professionals.
In my opinion: If a mix sounds good in them, then it will sounds good
everywhere and you can easily spot details and problems with them.
AKG K271 MKII are on my watch list. The price is right and the reviews seem
to be positive.
Regards,
Artem Vakhitov
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On Friday 21 October 2011 16.57.32 Harry van Haaren wrote:
A friend of mine has the K271 (Golden coloured sides),
they're fine for
doing light work.
If I understand the phrase "doing light work" as "not very suitable for
mixing, editing and long time usage", then I have to correct you, sorry.
I'm probably on safe ground when I claim that this phones are probably
among the best when it comes to professional mixing and master
engineering. And as a bonus, they are great for musicians while
recording, not to mention the price.
You can sit hour rafter hour with them while editing tracks and doing
detailed work. Any, pop, breath, scratch, artifact, muddiness and
details reveals and comes to the light. That said, phones and monitors
are a very personal thing and the most important thing is to getting to
know them well and really know how they are compared to others.
Sure, good monitors are great, but if you can't afford it (most people
can't), then you should at least get some great phones - and that won't
cost a lot of money. If you keep your ears in shape and are pedantic
about knowing your phones and monitors well, then you will soon learn and
trust your ears on what's not working or not working in a car, a lap top,
MP3 players or a decent hi-fi player or anything else.
A little note: I also have Denon AH-D5000 (lucky me) which costs 3 times
more than the K271s. But they are not suitable at all for mixing and
audio work, only for listening and being in paradise - Point your browser
to www.gubemusic.com and buy some 24 bit flac files you might like and
you will know what I mean by paradise.
I also used to have two ADAM A7 monitors, but they are stolen.
Jostein
12:13 a.m.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 03:37:19PM +0200, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote:
For monitors at that price level? Probably not much,
except if you are lucky
and get some used good ones.
Right.
For headphones it's much easier. I recommend the
closed AKG K271 MKII which is
both inexpensive and used by many professionals.
In my opinion: If a mix sounds good in them, then it will sounds good
everywhere and you can easily spot details and problems with them.
In the same class and price range: Beyer DT100. Mine are 30 years
old now, they have been abused in all sorts of ways (including being
dropped 8 meters from a roof and spending a night in the snow), and
they still work great. Used them earlier this evening when recording
a concert.
Ciao,
--
FA
12:59 a.m.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:13:49PM +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
In the same class and price range: Beyer DT100. Mine
are 30 years
old now, they have been abused in all sorts of ways (including being
dropped 8 meters from a roof and spending a night in the snow), and
they still work great. Used them earlier this evening when recording
a concert.
Good grief, Fons, you *do* live!
Cheers,
S.M.
5:32 p.m.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 06:59:18PM -0400, S. Massy wrote:
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:13:49PM +0000, Fons
Adriaensen wrote:
> In the same class and price range: Beyer DT100. Mine are 30 years
> old now, they have been abused in all sorts of ways (including being
> dropped 8 meters from a roof and spending a night in the snow), and
> they still work great. Used them earlier this evening when recording
> a concert.
Good grief, Fons, you *do* live!
I didn't jump, only the headphones did. This happened long time
ago when I was a student at the film/broadcasting school. We
were doing a documentary on some squatters occupying a building
in Antwerp. This was all about some contested building plans,
so some day we were filming on the roof, to have an overview.
This was when the police decided to clear the building. There
was some pulling and pushing, and my (then very new) headphones
went overboard. We all ended up as 'guests' at the police station,
and were released the next moring at six. All equipment - Arriflex
16 mm camera, Nagra, lights (but not my headphones !) was confis-
cated, and we got it back only weeks later. I went back for my
headphones and found them - somewhat scratched, but otherwise OK.
Ciao,
--
FA
21 Oct
21 Oct
8:19 p.m.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 04:39:16PM +0400, Artem Vakhitov wrote:
Hi all,
can you recommend me some inexpensive but good small monitors and
headphones for home recording? No high aspirations yet, just for
doing various demos on my laptop. Admittedly, I don't know how to
define "good" here, I just need them to be perceptibly better than
your average desktop speakers and earbuds :) Similarly, I don't
really know what "inexpensive" is referring to the above, but as a
wild guess, let's start from $100. I prefer plain audio solutions,
As others
have pointed out, in the world of monitors, you usually get
what you pay for. You can pay anywhere from $200 to $2000 for a pair of
small monitors. Generally, they tend to cluster around certain price
points, like $400, $800, and $1200 a pair, so it's a good idea to choose
your price point and do comparison listening on the models falling into
it. Some things to consider are the kind of music you're going to mix
(is it bass heavy, does it have a lot of dynamics or next to none, is it
complex or simple), the size of the room you're going to use and, most
importantly, what works for your ears. At entry level prices, people
have some great things to say About Alesis and Fostex monitors; most of
the entry level m-audio stuff, I don't think I would trust very much,
but I've auditioned the CX5 and was pleasantly surprised. Gabbe Nord
mentioned Adam which is what I use and swear by, but YMMV. For phones I
use Audio-Technica ATHM40FS and am very happy with them: apart from
slightly weak low mids, they are as good as it gets for that price, but
once again YMMV.
I would say the best thing you can do is choose a set of reference
tracks you're comfortable with and let your ears decide.
Finally, you might want to refer to a similar thread I started several
months ago when I was myself looking to buy monitors.
http://www.linuxaudio.org/mailarchive/lau/2011/4/15/180654
Good luck
S.M.
24 Oct
24 Oct
7:45 p.m.
On 10/21/2011 03:39 PM, Artem Vakhitov wrote:
Hi all,
can you recommend me some inexpensive but good small monitors and
headphones for home recording? No high aspirations yet, just for doing
various demos on my laptop. Admittedly, I don't know how to define
"good" here, I just need them to be perceptibly better than your
average desktop speakers and earbuds :) Similarly, I don't really know
what "inexpensive" is referring to the above, but as a wild guess,
let's start from $100. I prefer plain audio solutions, though will
consider USB ones (my Samsung Q70 has two US ports only, so that puts
some limitations).
Regards,
Artem Vakhitov
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Imho, it doesn't really mather that much what speakers you use to mix
with as long os they have reasonable frequency response which most
loudspeakers today have (I use consumergrade hifi, Wharfedale 9.1's)..
The perception of sound is subjective, eg I have no idea how you or
anybody else percieve the sound of, say Sting in a pair of genelecs or
any other brand. Something that I do recommend tho is to often reference
listen to your favorite tracks when mixing, _not_ to copy sound but just
for the sake of sanity checking levels and reverbs and such... also
remember to let mixing take time.. mix a track till you like it, take a
break from the song for a couple of hours, preferably let it cure over
night.. Then the next listen is the most critical seconds of it all,
cause now you have fresh ears, note anything that stands out on a paper
and fix it after you listen through the song once.
8:17 p.m.
On Mon, 2011-10-24 at 20:41 +0300, alexander wrote:
Imho, it doesn't really mather that much what
speakers you use to mix
with as long os they have reasonable frequency response which most
loudspeakers today have (I use consumergrade hifi, Wharfedale 9.1's)..
The perception of sound is subjective, eg I have no idea how you or
anybody else percieve the sound of, say Sting in a pair of genelecs or
any other brand. Something that I do recommend tho is to often reference
listen to your favorite tracks when mixing, _not_ to copy sound but just
for the sake of sanity checking levels and reverbs and such... also
remember to let mixing take time.. mix a track till you like it, take a
break from the song for a couple of hours, preferably let it cure over
night.. Then the next listen is the most critical seconds of it all,
cause now you have fresh ears, note anything that stands out on a paper
and fix it after you listen through the song once.
Yeah, you can mix on anything if you have some idea of what your
monitors are doing, and what your room is doing.
Of course the problem with that, or listening to a favorite track for
comparison, is that we can really have no way of knowing what our
monitors and rooms are doing without some analysis. And we have no way
of knowing what our reference CD is doing because we have no idea what
quirks were in that CD's mix and mastering rooms.
At the end of the day, I do use a few very well mixed CDs as a
reference, and I have to hope/trust they are reasonably flat.
:-)
The one real gotcha that is going to hurt you is low end. If you have
monitors with 6 inch woofers, they simply can't reproduce the low end,
and you could get into trouble.
Having said that, inexperienced recordists are going to have lots of
other problems with their tracks, as well, like phase issues and such,
so I say just hang some mics and have some fun.
If the music is so important to you that you want and expect
professional results, hire a professional.
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