31 Mar
2012
31 Mar
'12
4:25 a.m.
Hello LAUsers
You may be in a similar position to me, where for some time you've been
hacking away at Hydrogen for your drumming needs, but then along comes the
excellent Salamander Drumkit by Rytmenpinne in all it's .SFZ glory[1].
There are some great Hydrogen kits available like the two GSCW's[2] and
Big Mono[2], but when I first heard Rytmenpinne's Salamander examples I
had to have a go.
I use Ardour3 for all the heavy lifting for my recording, but switching to
it from Hydrogen for hand-programming MIDI drum patterns has been for me,
a little clunky. So just yesterday I set to the task of getting Hydrogen
to talk direct to Linuxsampler (via Jsampler/Fantasia) in order to get the
Salamander kit singing. I didn't actually know how to do it, but the
qjackctl showed me a jack-midi hydrogen-out connection so I realised the
capability was in there somewhere.
The results are available here:
http://www.box.com/s/c0ee8662168a273ae474 - The linuxsampler .lscp file
http://www.box.com/s/6a9073928d1853952b13 - The .h2drumkit file
http://www.box.com/s/d6731d2515d335f149af - The .h2song file
http://www.box.com/s/e273e7fc8646c7ca3c9d - And an .ogg example
http://soundcloud.com/stuzz/hydrogen-salamander - The same .ogg example
For the .lscp file I only used Salamander's "All.sfz" file, and I *think*
the only tweak you'll need to get it to work is your location of that
file. Although, even though the JACK connections are specified in that
file aswell, they don't seem to auto-connect, so you'll need to do that
too.
I haven't investigated completely, but the 2 .h2 files are there because
1) The .h2drumkit contains the 30 instruments in the kit, and what I named
them, and 2) I'm pretty sure the MIDI-out note for each instrument is
stored in the .h2song file, and not the .h2drumkit :(
With any luck I'm not Pat Malone in my drum recording workflow, and this
will help others.
Good luck!
Stuzz
http://stuzz.bandcamp.com
[1]http://rytmenpinne.posterous.com/pages/salamander-drumkit
[2]http://www.hydrogen-music.org/hcms/node/16
4 Apr
4 Apr
8:38 p.m.
Good job on thatone! I didn't realize hydrogen could send midi, now if
it can send CC messages too somehow(for the hihat), you'll be able to
have all functionality of the kit! that would be pretty golden..
Hello LAUsers
You may be in a similar position to me, where for some time you've
been hacking away at Hydrogen for your drumming needs, but then along
comes the excellent Salamander Drumkit by Rytmenpinne in all it's .SFZ
glory[1]. There are some great Hydrogen kits available like the two
GSCW's[2] and Big Mono[2], but when I first heard Rytmenpinne's
Salamander examples I had to have a go.
I use Ardour3 for all the heavy lifting for my recording, but
switching to it from Hydrogen for hand-programming MIDI drum patterns
has been for me, a little clunky. So just yesterday I set to the task
of getting Hydrogen to talk direct to Linuxsampler (via
Jsampler/Fantasia) in order to get the Salamander kit singing. I
didn't actually know how to do it, but the qjackctl showed me a
jack-midi hydrogen-out connection so I realised the capability was in
there somewhere.
The results are available here:
http://www.box.com/s/c0ee8662168a273ae474 - The linuxsampler .lscp
file
http://www.box.com/s/6a9073928d1853952b13 - The .h2drumkit file
http://www.box.com/s/d6731d2515d335f149af - The .h2song file
http://www.box.com/s/e273e7fc8646c7ca3c9d - And an .ogg example
http://soundcloud.com/stuzz/hydrogen-salamander - The same .ogg
example
For the .lscp file I only used Salamander's "All.sfz" file, and I
*think* the only tweak you'll need to get it to work is your location
of that file. Although, even though the JACK connections are
specified in that file aswell, they don't seem to auto-connect, so
you'll need to do that too.
I haven't investigated completely, but the 2 .h2 files are there
because 1) The .h2drumkit contains the 30 instruments in the kit, and
what I named them, and 2) I'm pretty sure the MIDI-out note for each
instrument is stored in the .h2song file, and not the .h2drumkit :(
With any luck I'm not Pat Malone in my drum recording workflow, and
this will help others.
Good luck!
Stuzz
http://stuzz.bandcamp.com
[1]http://rytmenpinne.posterous.com/pages/salamander-drumkit
[2]http://www.hydrogen-music.org/hcms/node/16
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7:28 a.m.
On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 04:36:50 +1000, alexander <axeldenstore(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Good job on thatone! I didn't realize hydrogen
could send midi, now if
it can send CC messages too somehow(for the hihat), you'll be able to
have all functionality of the kit! that would be pretty golden..
Glad you approve Alex.
The CC messages you're referring too... That has something to do with how
open, closed or inbetween the hihat is, right? If so, I'm sure that'd be
handy to sort out as well, but I don't think Hydrogen is up to the task
(but happy to be proved wrong).
For me though, I'd be hard pressed to find a requirement for that much
nuance on a hihat for a regular drum beat.
Also, this whole exercise is a bit of a stop-gap until I get up to speed
with programming MIDI parts direct into Ardour3, which no doubt (if it
doesn't already) is able to sent the CC message you'd like.
Regards
Stuzz
http://stuzz.bandcamp.com
10:08 a.m.
On 5/04/12 3:29 PM, Stuzz wrote:
On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 04:36:50 +1000, alexander
<axeldenstore(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Without that, I think all of the hats you'll get from Hydrogen will be
closed hats (well, apart from the pedal hat, which is on its own key),
since you need to send a CC value to get the semi-open or fully-open hats.
Good job on thatone! I didn't realize
hydrogen could send midi, now if
it can send CC messages too somehow(for the hihat), you'll be able to
have all functionality of the kit! that would be pretty golden..
Glad you approve Alex.
The CC messages you're referring too... That has something to do with
how open, closed or inbetween the hihat is, right? If so, I'm sure
that'd be handy to sort out as well, but I don't think Hydrogen is up to
the task (but happy to be proved wrong).
For me though, I'd be hard pressed to find a requirement for that much
nuance on a hihat for a regular drum beat. Also, this whole exercise is a bit of a stop-gap until
I get up to speed
with programming MIDI parts direct into Ardour3, which no doubt (if it
doesn't already) is able to sent the CC message you'd like.
Yep, sending CCs works fine in Ardour 3. It shouldn't be a problem for
any of the other sequencers around (Qtractor, seq24, Rosegarden, OOM2, etc.)
Thanks
Leigh
10:29 a.m.
2012/4/5 Leigh Dyer <lsd(a)wootangent.net>
On 5/04/12 3:29 PM, Stuzz wrote:
Hydrogen indeed doesnt support sending CC messages, but you should be able
to work something out using the mute groups (see
http://www.hydrogen-music.org/hcms/node/5#def.mutegroup)
if you put the different hh sounds in separate instruments and assign those
3 instruments to the same mute group you can simply create a pattern where
you can use all 3 sounds
BTW: how would one send the CC values when recording a pattren live (using
a midi drum) ? does the HHpedal normally trigger CC messages ?
On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 04:36:50 +1000, alexander
<axeldenstore(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Good job on thatone! I didn't realize hydrogen could send midi, now if
Without that, I think all of the hats you'll get from Hydrogen will be
closed hats (well, apart from the pedal hat, which is on its own key),
since you need to send a CC value to get the semi-open or fully-open hats. it can send CC messages too somehow(for the
hihat), you'll be able to
have all functionality of the kit! that would be pretty golden..
Glad you approve Alex.
The CC messages you're referring too... That has something to do with
how open, closed or inbetween the hihat is, right? If so, I'm sure
that'd be handy to sort out as well, but I don't think Hydrogen is up to
the task (but happy to be proved wrong).
For me though, I'd be hard pressed to find a requirement for that much
nuance on a hihat for a regular drum beat.
Also, this whole exercise is a bit of a stop-gap until I get up to speed
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with programming MIDI parts direct into Ardour3,
which no doubt (if it
doesn't already) is able to sent the CC message you'd like.
Yep, sending CCs works fine in Ardour 3. It shouldn't be a problem for any
of the other sequencers around (Qtractor, seq24, Rosegarden, OOM2, etc.)
Thanks
Leigh
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On 5/04/12 6:29 PM, thijs van severen wrote:
Hydrogen indeed doesnt support sending CC messages, but you should be
able to work something out using the mute groups (see
http://www.hydrogen-music.org/hcms/node/5#def.mutegroup)
if you put the different hh sounds in separate instruments and assign
those 3 instruments to the same mute group you can simply create a
pattern where you can use all 3 sounds
BTW: how would one send the CC values when recording a pattren live
(using a midi drum) ? does the HHpedal normally trigger CC messages ?
If you had a MIDI drum kit, then yep, I think you could probably get the
pedal to send CCs. With a keyboard, you could connect an expression
pedal to the keyboard and configure that to send the appropriate CC.
Thanks
Leigh
12:29 p.m.
On 04/05/2012 12:23 PM, Leigh Dyer wrote:
On 5/04/12 6:29 PM, thijs van severen wrote:
By default the salamander kit is set to use CC64 for the hihat, wich is
the sustain pedal on a keyboard.. So you simply press the sustain pedal
to open the hihat, this is actually the opposite of how an actual hihat
pedal works tho. You must have a variable pedal tho, most if not all
cheaper pedals are just on/off eg, they only send 0 or 127. Afaik,
E-drum hihatpedals you use CC4.. It's childishly easy to remap, just
open the .sfz and do a 'find/replace all' on "CC64"
Hydrogen indeed doesnt support sending CC messages, but you should be
able to work something out using the mute groups (see
http://www.hydrogen-music.org/hcms/node/5#def.mutegroup)
if you put the different hh sounds in separate instruments and assign
those 3 instruments to the same mute group you can simply create a
pattern where you can use all 3 sounds
BTW: how would one send the CC values when recording a pattren live
(using a midi drum) ? does the HHpedal normally trigger CC messages ?
If you had a MIDI drum kit, then yep, I think you could probably get
the pedal to send CCs. With a keyboard, you could connect an
expression pedal to the keyboard and configure that to send the
appropriate CC.
Thanks
Leigh
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12:59 p.m.
On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 18:29:31 +1000, thijs van severen
<thijsvanseveren(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2012/4/5 Leigh Dyer <lsd(a)wootangent.net>
In the context of sending midi-out from hydrogen to another sampler, mute
groups are ignored. As is the 'swing' knob on the mixer window. Humanize
velocity and timing still seem to work though.
Regards
Stuzz
http://stuzz.bandcamp.com
On 5/04/12 3:29 PM, Stuzz wrote:
Hydrogen indeed doesnt support sending CC messages, but you should be
able
to work something out using the mute groups (see
http://www.hydrogen-music.org/hcms/node/5#def.mutegroup)
if you put the different hh sounds in separate instruments and assign
those
3 instruments to the same mute group you can simply create a pattern
where
you can use all 3 sounds
On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 04:36:50 +1000, alexander
<axeldenstore(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Good job on thatone! I didn't realize hydrogen could send midi, now if
Without that, I think all of the hats you'll get from Hydrogen will be
closed hats (well, apart from the pedal hat, which is on its own key),
since you need to send a CC value to get the semi-open or fully-open
hats. it can send CC messages too somehow(for the
hihat), you'll be able to
have all functionality of the kit! that would be pretty golden..
Glad you approve Alex.
The CC messages you're referring too... That has something to do with
how open, closed or inbetween the hihat is, right? If so, I'm sure
that'd be handy to sort out as well, but I don't think Hydrogen is up
to
the task (but happy to be proved wrong).
For me though, I'd be hard pressed to find a requirement for that much
nuance on a hihat for a regular drum beat.
12:56 p.m.
On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 18:08:23 +1000, Leigh Dyer <lsd(a)wootangent.net> wrote:
On 5/04/12 3:29 PM, Stuzz wrote:
In my example .h2kit I did mark three hihat instruments - closed, pedal
and open. With any luck their correct. In my example ogg I managed to
use all three and most of the rest of the kit at some point aswell, and I
think it sounds like an open hat. The pedal hat automatically mutes what
I called the open hat as well.
So I think as it stands, closed, pedal (and a pedal splash if you up it's
velocity) and fully-open are available. Maybe in a pinch a combination of
them (closed and low-velocity open for instance) could approximate a
semi-open hat, but no, there is no semi-open sound.
Regards
Stuzz
http://stuzz.bandcamp.com
On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 04:36:50 +1000, alexander
<axeldenstore(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Without that, I think all of the hats you'll get from Hydrogen will be
closed hats (well, apart from the pedal hat, which is on its own key),
since you need to send a CC value to get the semi-open or fully-open
hats. Good job on thatone! I didn't realize
hydrogen could send midi, now if
it can send CC messages too somehow(for the hihat), you'll be able to
have all functionality of the kit! that would be pretty golden..
Glad you approve Alex.
The CC messages you're referring too... That has something to do with
how open, closed or inbetween the hihat is, right? If so, I'm sure
that'd be handy to sort out as well, but I don't think Hydrogen is up to
the task (but happy to be proved wrong).
For me though, I'd be hard pressed to find a requirement for that much
nuance on a hihat for a regular drum beat.
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