On Sun, 28 Nov 2004, Ruth A. Kramer wrote: Also feel free to add to the LQ Wiki (http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/). The LQ Linux Hardware Compatibility List also has an Audio section that could really use more entries (http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/index.php?cat=23). --jeremy

MarC <marc_contrib(a)ramonvinyes.es> writes: Nice Not Nice Take away this requirement to register and I'll gladly add my cards and experiences. Don't you know that registering sucks?. I don't have time to register everywhere I go. If a site wants me to register I'm gone before daylight. That's how the cookie crumble. -- Esben Stien is b0ef(a)esben-stien.name http://www.esben-stien.name irc://irc.esben-stien.name/%23contact [sip|iax]:b0ef@esben-stien.name

En/na Robert Jonsson ha escrit: Yes that's the reason that lies behind. *Notice that to register they only ask you, your name and your email (change your country if you want!)*. Anyway I am not responsible for that, talk to the administrators of Twiki. I'm sure that they will tell you the same as Robert. I also remind you that you had to register to this list to receive and post messages on it... So you should be gone before daylight! hurry up ;)

Hi, I have to respond to this. Actually, many projects disable anonymous bugreports because it is impossible to follow up on the problems. I manage the bugtracker in MusE, we still allow anonymous reports, but many such reports are actually no help. Missing information in the bugreports making it impossible to fix, no possible way of knowing if a fix actually helped the reporter etc. I understand the privacy concerns. Also I can understand that you think it's unnecessary work. But it cuts both ways. The less you give, the less there is for the people on the other end to get. /Robert -- http://spamatica.se/music/

Robert Jonsson <rj(a)spamatica.se> writes: True, sad True, sad. I want to find them all and live happy. It has everything to do with that... or so it seems. Same says the persons that insists that we use b0ef AT esben-stien DOT name or all the other horrible examples for our email addresses. Same says the persons that wants to let spam be considered a crime. Same says the persons that say lets take the spammers to town square and line them up for public execution. Attacking the problem this way, in my opinion, is wrong. -- Esben Stien is b0ef(a)esben-stien.name http://www.esben-stien.name irc://irc.esben-stien.name/%23contact [sip|iax]:b0ef@esben-stien.name

Robert Jonsson wrote: Thanks, Robert, and the others who chipped in re the need to register! regards, Randy Kramer

On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 22:01 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: So you are saying you refuse to ever file a bug report, even if you find a bug? That's not really in the spirit of giving back to the community... Lee

MarC wrote: You're welcome! For information / consistency, what you are calling a site (I believe) is what TWiki refers to as a topic, but I prefer to use the term page, as a TWiki topic is a single web page. Good, I've made a few changes / comments as well. Will probably make more. I did forget that Sound Blasters are made by Creative Labs, and I did suggest that the page names be <manufacturer><card name>, but I'm going to hesitate a little while before making another name change. Your use of Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audgy OEM as the page title is a good thing, but page names often are more useful if shorter, so I may keep the page name as is (LA_SoundBlasterAudigy) until things shake out a little. (Of course, you can change the name yourself, but I'd suggest we wait a little while.) Anybody (who is registered ;-) can start a page on WikiLearn. If someone needs help, let me know. For now I've set up a prefix of "LA_" to segregate the Linux Audio pages, I wonder if simply prefixing them with "Aud_" or "Audio" would be more clear? regards, Randy Kramer

MarC wrote: No problem! (Except my prejudice against TWiki calling a page a topic ;-) Some will be good (I hope), some not so good. (I think I left some cruft on there last time I edited, need to try to look at it today. In general (if TWiki is working as designed / intended) links to changed pages are should change automatically. Ahh, my memory is coming back -- maybe the exception is for pages that don't use real (T)WikiWords for names (LA_LinuxAudio is not a real (T)WikiWord). I'll try to confirm that, if so, that's another argument to change the page prefix from LA_ to (e.g.) Audio (in which case I'd rename the LA_LinuxAudio page to something like AudioOnLinux) -- let me know what you think of that as a prefix -- we might pick up a few stray pages that are already named beginning with Audio, but they wouldn't be totally irrelevant. I need to run now, there are links to such information on WikiLearn -- I'll try to find one and/or repost the information here. regards, Randy Kramer

MarC wrote: Rather than having each page named like "LASoundCards_Creative_SBAudigyOEM", I'd rather abbreviate the prefix, something like "LaScCreative_SBAudigyOEM" -- the prefix doesn't have to be human readable (imho), just something unique to sort by. Then the list of soundcards can be, as you suggest, "LASoundCards". Hmm, I wasn't thinking, but we probably don't need the underbar (we can use, as you suggest, LATopic vs. LA_Topic (LA should be quite unique). I'd prefer (I think) LALinuxAudio, which sort of explains the LA prefix in the name. Anyway, I'll wait to hear further comments from you before making any name changes. regards, Randy Kramer

En/na Ruth A. Kramer ha escrit: I agree with LASCCreative_SBAudigyOEM, but we should display it in ahuman readable title in the list displayed at LASoundCards (it's possible to associate a title like "Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy OEM" to "LASCCreative_SBAudigyOEM") I'm also thinking that it must be very simple for a contributor to a create a new page for his/her sound card, so we should not make it too complicated and create a sort of a form to help him/her. Abbreviations must follow some "universal" logic (but yes, I think that LA for subpages of Linux Audio and SC for subpages of SoundCards is quite logic)) yes, I think that the main page can even be called LinuxAudio and only call LA* its subpages. For me, this sounds good. By the way, do you know how to activate RSS feed in this page? is it possible?

En/na Ruth A. Kramer ha escrit: Perfect, this is fine for me. I also discard manual maintenance, we're all busy and it's better to spend our time putting real content in the pages rather than "executing manually monotonous instructions which doesn't help too much"... In the future, we can change this, adding this feature to the engine without modifying the structure of the whole site. we can also write "FOR LAZY CONTRIBUTORS: If you don't know how to do it, contact MarcVinyes or RandyKramer to add a new page for your sound card. Send them a draft and they will post it for you.". I think the syntax must be the same for everything: so to create a subpage you can use LASoundCards or LA_SoundCards but you shouldn't use first LASoundCards and then LASC_Creative_SBAudigyOEM. In my opinion we must be coherent: LA_SoundCards and LASC_Creative_SBAudigyOEM or LASoundCards and LASCCreative_SBAudigyOEM and well... maybe the first one is more readable and easy to remember. I don't think it's a good idea to put the last letter in lower case. SoundCards -> "SC" is quite logic ("we only write the capital letters to abreviate") SoundCards -> "Sc" can be confusing in my opinion If you want to distinguish LA from SC I'd prefer "LA_SC" so finally, the better option may be: LA_SoundCards and LA_SC_Creative_SBAudigyOEM ("_" replaces the usual function of "/" to separate folders in static web pages) yes take your time to check it! if does cause problems, many doubts commented above will have no sense... yes, I suggested it for this reason. I'll investigate. Thanks for the last link.

En/na Ruth A. Kramer ha escrit: Great. I've already registered with MarC (uhm it should be MarcVinyes but I have never met anybody called MarC case sensitive :). Can you give me some short-easy instructions about how to create the page? (just to start. Maybe I'm not the right person to begin it, but sbdy has to push a little bit...) I'd only like to create a web with: - links of sites where you can find which is the linux driver support for your card: alsa (http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/) oss (http://www.opensound.com/osshw.html) uhm is there anything more? - a list of all cards, each one with a link to one page in which anyone could add more info about usability in linux, programs associated, configuration tips, etc. for example: for my modest audigy I'd like to create a page with: (of course, I'm a beginner and I may be wrong with many things out there, that's why I want to put it in the Wiki, to let you correct it... all these "knowledge" is from the agnula user list, and personal experience) I think is a good idea to avoid the same postings over and over on the linux lists about soundfonts for example, sfarK compression, support, advice... _Sound Blaster Audigy_ I'll copy the specifications from Creative.... good for recording line one input, stereo, 16bit at sample rate 48Khz or 44Khz. Lowest latency: 11ms. soundfont support for midi mic+boost is extraordinaly noiseless compared with ordinary soundblasters... cheap (~60€) not a professional soundcard... home guitar,bass,vocals recordings. get a soundfont: from the your Soundblaster installation disk: /mnt/cdrom/AUDIO/COMMON/SFBANK For GM soundfonts you can look at http://www.personalcopy.com or http://www.hammersound.net load it: Install awesfx and awesfx-devel /bin/sfxload [space] /path to soundfont/8MBGMSFX.SF2 sfArk unpacker: (non free software, be careful!) http://melodymachine.com/sfark.htm It won't be included in A/DeMuDi because it is not a free software /usr/bin/jackstart -R -p60 -t10000 -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 -S -i1 -o2 Comments: latency: 11ms agnula's kernel-multimedia at debian sarge, works well with PIV2.6Ghz, 512MB (Submitted by MarC) (conf 1) Voice Mic->Red Box Pro->Mic Input(+boost) Comment: non professional, a little bit of noise, but works fine for home records. I know I should get a mixer. (Submitted by MarC) (conf 2) Guitar->Zoom GFX-8 (Guitar effects processor)->Red Box Pro->Mic Comment: non professional, a little bit of noise, but works fine for home records. I know I should get a mixer. (Submitted by MarC) (with conf 2) http://www.caroline.es.vg/ (see "musica" and click on the link, the songs have one guitar(ie: all guitars with distorsion) recorded with an Audigy, even if that stuff is mixed and recorded with Cubase and masterized with ProTools...Yeah Satan...) (with conf 1) examples with Ardour will come... (please submit them to the LAU list before, to make sure it's not a trivial configuration issue...) When I record with ardour, after some time, jack starts producing a strange noise that goes away after a while. I don't understand it. Maybe I'm doing smth wrong but I can't get it... (Submitted by MarC) Opinions?? Anybody thinks he/she could do it better?

Randy Kramer wrote: MarC, I notice that "MarC" shows up on the page with a trailing blue question mark, which means that you have not successfully registered on WikiLearn as MarC -- maybe you registered under another variation of your name? If you are having trouble, let me know. regards, Randy Kramer

Randy Kramer wrote: Pages are renamed. Old pages remain with links to new pages. Randy Kramer