On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 00:31 +0100, Carotinho wrote: As much as I like Behringer prices, their quality is something totally undesirable. I prefer to stick with Alesis, FMR Audio, Studio Projects, M-Audio, etc. Good quality, good prices. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:53:20 -0800 Florin Andrei <florin(a)andrei.myip.org> wrote: I find that Behringer's quality varies greatly, as does their originality. I have a BCF2000 controller which is just frelling brilliant. It works really well, and is, as far as I can tell, a very original piece of equipment. I also have a Behringer T1953 mic preamp which I never use because it gives me a much harsher sound than I like. I even prefer the preamps in my Behringer mixer to it. The mixer's not bad, and has never given me problems. The last piece of B gear I'll mention that I have is a cable tester. This is the piece of gear that shows what little regard they have for other companies when designing gear. Here's the B tester: http://www.behringer.com/CT100/index.cfm?lang=ENG and here's a piece of gear calles a Swizz Army tester, which is the original product: http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--EBTSWIZZCT Other than the color of the case, these units appear identical, except for the price. This cheesed the folks who made the Swizz Army unit off, as you might expect. Google for behringer and aphex or roland or mackie, and you'll find that at least early on, the 2 big reasons they were able to sell their stuff so cheaply was Chinese labor (and that hasn't changed), and having a copying machine as the heart of their R&D department. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh(a)brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa

On 3/3/06, timg <timg(a)expressmart.com> wrote: again, the v-amp seems pretty different... not just a direct pod copy. There dj mixers are mostly really, really horrible though. a copy of pioneer mixers that suck to start with. So a copy of a crap product. Loki

On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 02:07 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: I've got a V-Amp Pro and I like it a lot. You have to look at what you're going to use the gear for before you buy anything (Behringer or otherwise). I've used Behringer unpowered mixers for live sound and they're just fine (the onboard effects are pretty lame though). I see no point in paying ridiculous prices for a Mackie mixer for live sound when your speakers are only good from 60Hz to 16KHz if you're lucky. On the other hand, for a studio, if you have the money, an expensive mixer is worth it. As Mr. Natural used to say - at work or at play, get the right tool for the job ;-) -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744

On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 10:15 -0500, Joe Hartley wrote: All of the bad mouthing of Behringer reminds me of the stuff they used to say about Peavey 30 years ago. That's turned around quite a bit. They make some pretty damn good stuff for live use. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744

On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 10:55 -0500, Paul Winkler wrote: Yeah, they were accused of ripping off everybody. Since Meridian Mississippi is just up the road from me I got hear a lot of the BS. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744

=> Fender has their Pre CBS and Post CBS (hecha en Mexico) era's. => Peavey was accused of making non-standard solid-state components that were only available in their factories. => Behringer's stomp box products were delayed for import to the USA over patent disputes. It seems a company's success is tied directly to it's ability to overcome adversity and misperception. So what their cable tester looks like another one. Did they copy it exactly, did they break any laws, or did they license the original design? Were any laws actually broken? What was settled with the stomp box patents? I believe the stomp boxes are available in the USA now. I find it funny, sad, and ironic that in a linux related list that someone is complaining that a company reused somebody's existing widget rather than coming up with it's own proprietary widget. Here is a question to the person who complained about this: Do you use a Linux distro, or do you use FIPS to partition your hard drive, then build your entire Linux system from source (and I am not referring to Gentoo)? I will admit Behringer had a rough start, but I like their products, and I like their prices. When I go to purchase something, there are many factors to consider. Sometimes I choose Behringer, but not all the time. If you wanted bash them about their linux support (or lack of it) I would be happy to join in, especially with the V-Amp and FCB1010. On this thread, I will have to come to their defense. BTW ironic does not mean made of iron. -=cybersean3000=- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com