22 Aug
2004
22 Aug
'04
3:58 p.m.
Hello,
I'm setting a computer up for music and have a couple questions.
I am currently installing gentoo onto my computer and I am having difficulty
because I don't have much time to install. Should I just stick with gentoo
and get the install done eventually or can you suggest a better linux dist.
that is better?
I am looking at buying a firewire device instead of a pci card for my
soundcard. How well does linux support firewire devices? I'm looking at
buying the MOTU 828mkII if that helps at all.
Any suggestions and advice would be appreciated. Thanks,
Thomas
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22 Aug
22 Aug
4:14 p.m.
On 08/22/2004 01:42:56 PM, Thomas Pickett wrote:
I am currently installing gentoo onto my computer and
I am having
difficulty
because I don't have much time to install. Should I just stick with
gentoo
and get the install done eventually or can you suggest a better linux
dist.
that is better?
If you're a beginner and/or have limited time, gentoo is a really *bad*
idea.
I'd suggest a binary-based distro, with an easy installer, and a
package manager with automatic dependency resolution. Mandrakelinux 10
+ contribs or + Thac's RPMS, or the combination of RedHat/Fedora +
Planet CCRMA packages would proabably be best.
Debian has a great package manager, but crappy installer. SuSe is vice
versa IMHO.
Hope that helps.
Austin
4:21 p.m.
On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 05:59:00PM +0000, Austin wrote:
Debian has a great package manager, but crappy installer.
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
This is the installer that will be released with the next version of
Debian. I have used it to install two machines and was thoroughly
impressed.
--
Ryan Underwood, <nemesis(a)icequake.net>
5:01 p.m.
On Sunday 22 August 2004 01:59 pm, Austin wrote:
On 08/22/2004 01:42:56 PM, Thomas Pickett wrote:
Debian installer isn't that bad, it's just not pretty to look at. If he got
Gentoo installed, he'll feel positively coddled by the Debian installer.
The other options you suggest are popular.
I am currently installing gentoo onto my computer
and I am having
difficulty
because I don't have much time to install. Should I just stick with
gentoo
and get the install done eventually or can you suggest a better linux
dist.
that is better?
If you're a beginner and/or have limited time, gentoo is a really *bad*
idea.
I'd suggest a binary-based distro, with an easy installer, and a
package manager with automatic dependency resolution. Mandrakelinux 10
+ contribs or + Thac's RPMS, or the combination of RedHat/Fedora +
Planet CCRMA packages would proabably be best.
Debian has a great package manager, but crappy installer. SuSe is vice versa IMHO.
Hope that helps.
Austin
5:08 p.m.
The easiest installation known to man - Fedora Core 1 (full load) and
Planet CCRMA.
Jan
On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 13:45, John Check wrote:
On Sunday 22 August 2004 01:59 pm, Austin wrote:
On 08/22/2004 01:42:56 PM, Thomas Pickett wrote:
Debian installer isn't that bad, it's just not pretty to look at. If he got
Gentoo installed, he'll feel positively coddled by the Debian installer.
The other options you suggest are popular.
> versa IMHO.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Austin I am currently installing gentoo onto my computer
and I am having
difficulty
because I don't have much time to install. Should I just stick with
gentoo
and get the install done eventually or can you suggest a better linux
dist.
that is better?
If you're a beginner and/or have limited time, gentoo is a really *bad*
idea.
I'd suggest a binary-based distro, with an easy installer, and a
package manager with automatic dependency resolution. Mandrakelinux 10
+ contribs or + Thac's RPMS, or the combination of RedHat/Fedora +
Planet CCRMA packages would proabably be best.
Debian has a great package manager, but crappy installer. SuSe is vice
5:17 p.m.
On Sunday 22 August 2004 03:00 pm, Jan Depner wrote:
The easiest installation known to man - Fedora Core 1
(full load) and
Planet CCRMA.
Nah, pre-loaded is easier ;)
Jan
On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 13:45, John Check wrote:
> On Sunday 22 August 2004 01:59 pm, Austin wrote:
> > On 08/22/2004 01:42:56 PM, Thomas Pickett wrote:
> > > I am currently installing gentoo onto my computer and I am having
> > > difficulty
> > > because I don't have much time to install. Should I just stick with
> > > gentoo
> > > and get the install done eventually or can you suggest a better linux
> > > dist.
> > > that is better?
> >
> > If you're a beginner and/or have limited time, gentoo is a really *bad*
> > idea.
> >
> > I'd suggest a binary-based distro, with an easy installer, and a
> > package manager with automatic dependency resolution. Mandrakelinux 10
> > + contribs or + Thac's RPMS, or the combination of RedHat/Fedora +
> > Planet CCRMA packages would proabably be best.
> >
> > Debian has a great package manager, but crappy installer. SuSe is vice
>
> Debian installer isn't that bad, it's just not pretty to look at. If he
> got Gentoo installed, he'll feel positively coddled by the Debian
> installer.
>
> The other options you suggest are popular.
>
> > versa IMHO.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> >
> > Austin
23 Aug
23 Aug
11:38 a.m.
Last Sunday 22 August 2004 18:59, Austin was like:
Debian has a great package manager, but crappy
installer.
Never having used any other distro recently, I can't say I'd noticed that
there was a great deal wrong with Debian's installer. AGNULA is a good distro
for musical first timers these days.
Sorry, couldn't let that one pass ;-)
tim hall
9:54 p.m.
On Monday 23 August 2004 09:22 am, tim hall wrote:
Last Sunday 22 August 2004 18:59, Austin was like:
AGNULA... I thought having gparted for partitioning in the installer didn't
help. Otherwise it wasn't too painful.
Debian has a great package manager, but crappy
installer.
Never having used any other distro recently, I can't say I'd noticed that
there was a great deal wrong with Debian's installer. AGNULA is a good
distro for musical first timers these days.
Sorry, couldn't let that one pass ;-)
tim hall
11:26 p.m.
Last Tuesday 24 August 2004 00:38, John Check was like:
On Monday 23 August 2004 09:22 am, tim hall wrote:
I don't really have anything to compare it with. I assume that people have got
soft and assume[*] it's not very good because the installer uses a
text-based / ncurses interface or because the last Debian install they did
was Debian Potato. Dunno, it worked fine for me ;-)
I would now seriously recommend Agnula's DeMuDi distro for musical / Linux
newbies, I fully admit to being a Debian chauvinist, so I have to 'fess up to
the fact that all these distros are using Linux Audio software and therefore
they Rock in much the same way. My experience is that the Debian Sarge
installer, which A/DeMuDi uses, does it with less fuss and in under an hour.
Configuring it can be a pig, but much of it, like X and ALSA now
autoconfigures along with hardware detection, something else people didn't
used to associate with Debian. So you actually end up with a recognisably
useable system without too much pain, assuming there are no major hardware
issues. It's certainly no longer the case that distros like Mandrake are some
kind of 'soft option' for people who aren't ready for Debian. In fact I do
think Debian could be a reasonable soft option for people who don't have the
time or patience for Gentoo tho' ;-]
It is probably more a case of style, ethos and personal ergonomics. Debian
adheres strictly to GPL rules, being quite a purist GNU system and is slower
to release packages, partly because it covers a greater range of hardwares.
Installing and upgrading packages is something that Debian excels at, I've not
come across anything easier or with greater choice of packages. Plus, by the
time the packages do appear in the repository, you'll have had time to read
all the emergency bug reports and gotchas on this list and be ready for them.
Just to make it absolutely clear, no disrespect to any of the other multimedia
distros - anyone working to promote these tools is an absolute flippin' star
in my estimation, whose hard work currently provides an amazing selection to
choose from. Big up to you all!
cheers
tim hall
[*] Yeah, I assumed you would think that ;-)
Last Sunday 22 August 2004 18:59, Austin was
like:
AGNULA... I thought having gparted for partitioning in the installer didn't
help. Otherwise it wasn't too painful. Debian has a great package manager, but crappy
installer.
Never having used any other distro recently, I can't say I'd noticed that
there was a great deal wrong with Debian's installer. AGNULA is a good
distro for musical first timers these days.
24 Aug
24 Aug
2:17 a.m.
On Monday 23 August 2004 09:10 pm, tim hall wrote:
Last Tuesday 24 August 2004 00:38, John Check was
like:
That's always been my feeling. Curses qualifies as a GUI in my book, but it
gets slammed. I've walked people with no clue through potato installs and it
didn't take any longer than say 7 series SuSE installs with a full on YaST GUI
(package download time exclusive).
On Monday 23 August 2004 09:22 am, tim hall
wrote:
I don't really have anything to compare it with. I assume that people have
got soft and assume[*] it's not very good because the installer uses a
text-based / ncurses interface or because the last Debian install they did
was Debian Potato. Dunno, it worked fine for me ;-)
Last Sunday 22 August 2004 18:59, Austin was
like:
AGNULA... I thought having gparted for partitioning in the installer
didn't help. Otherwise it wasn't too painful. Debian has a great package manager, but crappy
installer.
Never having used any other distro recently, I can't say I'd noticed
that there was a great deal wrong with Debian's installer. AGNULA is a
good distro for musical first timers these days. I would now seriously recommend Agnula's DeMuDi
distro for musical / Linux
newbies, I fully admit to being a Debian chauvinist, so I have to 'fess up
to the fact that all these distros are using Linux Audio software and
therefore they Rock in much the same way. My experience is that the Debian
Sarge installer, which A/DeMuDi uses, does it with less fuss and in under
an hour.
Was about 45 minutes for me IIRC.
Configuring it can be a pig, but much of it, like X
and ALSA now
BTW I have a GeForce and it came up without any trouble. Overall I was
impressed.
autoconfigures along with hardware detection,
something else people didn't
used to associate with Debian. So you actually end up with a recognisably
useable system without too much pain, assuming there are no major hardware
issues. It's certainly no longer the case that distros like Mandrake are
some kind of 'soft option' for people who aren't ready for Debian. In fact
I do think Debian could be a reasonable soft option for people who don't
have the time or patience for Gentoo tho' ;-]
Yup. The only reason I picked on the partitioning is it was a parallel
installation. My drives are already partitioned and I didn't trust the
installers idea of "the right thing" enough to let it rip full auto.
It is probably more a case of style, ethos and
personal ergonomics. Debian
adheres strictly to GPL rules, being quite a purist GNU system and is
slower to release packages, partly because it covers a greater range of
hardwares. Installing and upgrading packages is something that Debian
excels at, I've not come across anything easier or with greater choice of
packages. Plus, by the time the packages do appear in the repository,
you'll have had time to read all the emergency bug reports and gotchas on
this list and be ready for them.
FWIW, the poorly named "unstable" flavor is probably the most up to date
distro out there. One thing about Debian, when they say "stable" they aren't
kidding around.
Just to make it absolutely clear, no disrespect to any of the other
multimedia distros - anyone working to promote these tools is an absolute
flippin' star in my estimation, whose hard work currently provides an
amazing selection to choose from. Big up to you all!
cheers
tim hall
[*] Yeah, I assumed you would think that ;-)
In a filthy cracked cup
With no milk
Or sugar
Or tea! <- thats me ;)
22 Aug
22 Aug
4:20 p.m.
Thomas Pickett wrote:
Hello,
I'm setting a computer up for music and have a couple questions.
I am currently installing gentoo onto my computer and I am having
difficulty because I don't have much time to install. Should I just
stick with gentoo and get the install done eventually or can you suggest
a better linux dist. that is better?
I run both Gentoo and PlanetCCRMA. If you like the suite of packages
that the Planet supplies I'd just suggest you use that. Gentoo is great,
but not all of the audio stuff is in their kernels so you're likely to
be doing a bit more patching on top of all the time you spend building.
With Gentoo you learn alot, but you are constently spending time
building code. Not really a 'fun' distro, but it is a good distro.
I am looking at buying a firewire device instead of a pci card for my
soundcard. How well does linux support firewire devices? I'm looking
at buying the MOTU 828mkII if that helps at all.
No support for 1394 at all. As one of the authors of 1394a it's a huge
disappointment to me, but so far no real interest from developers, or
not enough to get them to spend their money.
Stick with PCI or Cardbus, or possibly USB.
good luck,
Mark
4:59 p.m.
On Sunday 22 August 2004 01:42 pm, Thomas Pickett wrote:
Hello,
I'm setting a computer up for music and have a couple questions.
I am currently installing gentoo onto my computer and I am having
difficulty because I don't have much time to install. Should I just stick
with gentoo and get the install done eventually or can you suggest a better
linux dist. that is better?
IF you have limited time Gentoo isn't the best idea. You don't have to babysit
it while it's building, but it's still not time efficient.
I switched from Gentoo to Debian unstable a while back. It's probably the
most cutting edge option. If you want to get up to speed really fast, install
DeMuDi. It's debian based. Somewhat behind the curve... probably about where
most commercial distros current release is, and it's a snap to go full on
Debian if you choose to later.
I am looking at buying a firewire device instead of a
pci card for my
soundcard. How well does linux support firewire devices? I'm looking at
buying the MOTU 828mkII if that helps at all.
Any suggestions and advice would be appreciated. Thanks,
Thomas
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