16 May
2010
16 May
'10
12:42 a.m.
hello list,
I'd need to:
1) - open mp3/wav files, do some trimming and fade ins/outs and save to
mp3/wav
2) - do some recordings of JACK-apps
and I'd like to do so in one application. Audacity would be
perfect but it doesn't appear in patchage; I can only decide it's input
from it's prefs, but I need to have multiple apps that go into it (and
the prefs dialog won't let me do it)...
All apps I found so far do either 1 and are not JACK-apps (or have a
problem similar to audacity's) (Rezound,Sweep) or do 2 but not 1
(Ardour,jack_rec)
I haven't tested the following, and would like to know from you if any
of them does both 1 and 2 without me testing them all:
qtractor,muse,ecasound,rosegarden
thanks
renato
16 May
16 May
1 a.m.
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Renato <rennabh(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'd need to:
1) - open mp3/wav files, do some trimming and fade ins/outs and save to
mp3/wav
2) - do some recordings of JACK-apps
and I'd like to do so in one application. Audacity would be
perfect but it doesn't appear in patchage; I can only decide it's input
from it's prefs, but I need to have multiple apps that go into it (and
the prefs dialog won't let me do it)...
All apps I found so far do either 1 and are not JACK-apps (or have a
problem similar to audacity's) (Rezound,Sweep) or do 2 but not 1
(Ardour,jack_rec)
Ardour can do both 1 and 2, if you are just doing trimming and
fades... note in Ardour you are not actually editing the audio but
doing non-destructive editing of a playlist (so if you need to go back
and re-edit you can do so easily without harming the audio).
-- Brett
------------------------------------------------------------
"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden;
If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world."
-- Jelaleddin Rumi
1:23 a.m.
Excerpts from Brett McCoy's message of 2010-05-16 01:00:28 +0200:
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Renato
<rennabh(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Ardour doesn't load mp3 files, afaik. I know that traverso can do all of that,
I'd recommend using the git version at the moment, but maybe the latest
release will suffice for what you want.
Qtractor might also be able to do it. Don't know about the others.
--
Regards,
Philipp
I'd need to:
1) - open mp3/wav files, do some trimming and fade ins/outs and save to
mp3/wav
2) - do some recordings of JACK-apps
and I'd like to do so in one application. Audacity would be
perfect but it doesn't appear in patchage; I can only decide it's input
from it's prefs, but I need to have multiple apps that go into it (and
the prefs dialog won't let me do it)...
All apps I found so far do either 1 and are not JACK-apps (or have a
problem similar to audacity's) (Rezound,Sweep) or do 2 but not 1
(Ardour,jack_rec)
Ardour can do both 1 and 2, if you are just doing trimming and
fades... note in Ardour you are not actually editing the audio but
doing non-destructive editing of a playlist (so if you need to go back
and re-edit you can do so easily without harming the audio).
-- Brett 
4:40 a.m.
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Philipp Überbacher
<hollunder(a)lavabit.com>wrote;wrote:
Qtractor might also be able to do it. Don't know
about the others.
Qtractor can do mp3 playback/non-destructive-editing and is fully jack-ified
for both MIDI and Audio, per
http://qtractor.sourceforge.net/qtractor-index.html
Uses JACK for audio and ALSA sequencer for MIDI as
multimedia
infrastructures.
*Built-in connection patchbay control and persistence (a-la QjackCtl).*
Audio file formats support: OGG (via libvorbis), MP3 (via libmad, playback
only), WAV, FLAC, AIFF and many, many more (via
libsndfile).
A few links on Qtractor showing screenshots of main features:
http://www.straightedgelinux.com/qtractor/howto_qmidi.html
http://www.straightedgelinux.com/qtractor/
If you use Fedora 12, x86_64, you can try the stable release I just built:
http://nielsmayer.com/qtractor-0.4.5svn1517-2.fc12.x86_64.rpm
My opinion of qtractor, posted to PlanetCCRMA
http://old.nabble.com/Re:-Qtractor-0.4.5svn1517-p28567324.html
....................
I strongly second that this version of qtractor be included in the CCRMA
repo. It is very solid, and very nice!! I've tested it extensively today and
it never crashed, never did anything unexpected, and kept up with
everything. I was also wondering when I'll be giving rosegarden another
chance, as qtractor is much closer to what I expect as it's based on the
last sensible DAW I ever used: Cakewalk Pro Audio (
http://www.rncbc.org/jack/qtractor-0.1.0-whitepaper.pdf ). Yes, rosegarden's
integrated notation, extensive feature set, documentation and maturity is
great. But the direct integration of audio and midi, and the simplicity and
"ease of flow" of qtractor is more important for my purposes. Given that
many of the "future features" from the aforementioned whitepaper have
already been implemented, I have high hopes that qtractor will be able to
remain competitive with any future developments on other platforms and other
DAWs.
Other than its complete jack-ification, the thing that makes qtractor stand
out is the compatibility with Cakewalk instrument definition files available
on the net. For example, I quickly googled-upon
http://www.cybertown.com/xginstr.zip --> YamahaXG.ins, a Cakewalk instrument
definition file which creates names for patches, voices, banks in my Yamaha
db60xg synth-daughterboard. I'm sure all my other synths and gear will be
just as easy to find because there's a lot of Cakewalk users on the
internet.
Another important feature is midi controller mappings, which are hellishly
tedious to implement in a one-off fashion. It is nice that qtractor provides
a framework on which people can start sharing control surface layouts and
definitions, just like cakewalk did with it's .ins format:
http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/142
Greatest thanks goes to Mathias Krause aka gizzmo, who
contributed with the
fundamental code to the new MIDI controller mapping functionality that now
widens the Qtractor <http://qtractor.sourceforge.net> horizon with regard
from generic control surfaces. Being the Behringer
BCF2000<http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCF2000.aspx>
a notable example, control feedback is fully supported so that those
fancy motorized faders, knobs and lights, actually reflect the whole mixing
and editing session state. Some pre-made files are here provided for your
convenience: bcx2000.qtc </datahub/bcx2000.qtc> is to import into Qtractor
(View/Controllers...) and a couple of presets goes into your BCF2000,
Qtractor_Mixer_1-8.syx </datahub/Qtractor_Mixer_1-8.syx> and
Qtractor_Mixer_9-16.syx </datahub/Qtractor_Mixer_9-16.syx>, respectively
for the first and second set of eight channel/track strips.
..................
-- Niels
http://nielsmayer.com
1:52 a.m.
I'd need to:
1) - open mp3/wav files, do some trimming and fade ins/outs and save to
mp3/wav
2) - do some recordings of JACK-apps
Although you mention the ability to load MP3 files as a necessity, I would
advise you
to convert them to WAV, import them into Ardour as regions, and then edit to
your hearts
content.
Advantages: No damage to audio files it things get messy, Ardour has lots of
great features
Disadvantages: A little more work to convert files, and they take up a
little more space...
How to convert?: I would use Sox, or SoundConverter.
Sox is a command-line app that can convert anything to everything.. :-)
SoundConverter is a GTK+ sound converter, does the basics of MP3, WAV, OGG,
AIFF etc.
Hope that helps! -Harry
2:07 a.m.
On Sun, 16 May 2010 00:52:05 +0100
Harry Van Haaren <harryhaaren(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, I'll reconsider Ardour. I thought it a bit of an overkill for such
simple things, but I'll try it out and see if it's manageable
thanks
renato
I'd need
to:
1) - open mp3/wav files, do some trimming and fade ins/outs and
save to mp3/wav
2) - do some recordings of JACK-apps
Although you mention the ability to load MP3 files as a necessity, I
would advise you
to convert them to WAV, import them into Ardour as regions, and then
edit to your hearts
content.
Advantages: No damage to audio files it things get messy, Ardour has
lots of great features
Disadvantages: A little more work to convert files, and they take up a
little more space...
How to convert?: I would use Sox, or SoundConverter.
Sox is a command-line app that can convert anything to
everything.. :-) SoundConverter is a GTK+ sound converter, does the
basics of MP3, WAV, OGG, AIFF etc.
Hope that helps! -Harry 
2:35 a.m.
Renato wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2010 00:52:05 +0100
Harry Van Haaren <harryhaaren(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, I'll reconsider Ardour. I thought it a bit of an overkill for such
simple things, but I'll try it out and see if it's manageable
Good luck with the learning curve! ;-)
--
David
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authenticity, honesty, community
I'd
need to:
1) - open mp3/wav files, do some trimming and fade ins/outs and
save to mp3/wav
2) - do some recordings of JACK-apps
Although you mention the ability to load MP3 files as a necessity, I
would advise you
to convert them to WAV, import them into Ardour as regions, and then
edit to your hearts
content.
Advantages: No damage to audio files it things get messy, Ardour has
lots of great features
Disadvantages: A little more work to convert files, and they take up a
little more space...
How to convert?: I would use Sox, or SoundConverter.
Sox is a command-line app that can convert anything to
everything.. :-) SoundConverter is a GTK+ sound converter, does the
basics of MP3, WAV, OGG, AIFF etc.
Hope that helps! -Harry 
2:09 a.m.
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Harry Van Haaren wrote:
if you end up using ardour, note that region fade in/out
is not exported on region export.
http://tracker.ardour.org/view.php?id=1653
a workaround is to select the region with the range
tool and export the range.
snap to grid, with the grid set to region bounds, makes
this easy.
best,
d
I'd need to:
1) - open mp3/wav files, do some trimming and fade ins/outs and save to
mp3/wav
2) - do some recordings of JACK-apps
Although you mention the ability to load MP3 files as a necessity, I would
advise you
to convert them to WAV, import them into Ardour as regions, and then edit to
your hearts
content.
Advantages: No damage to audio files it things get messy, Ardour has lots of
great features 
6 a.m.
New subject: [LAU] app for simple editing and recording?
Audacity would be
perfect but it doesn't appear in patchage; I can only decide it's input
from it's prefs, but I need to have multiple apps that go into it (and
the prefs dialog won't let me do it)...
Try some mixer like jack_mixer or livemix
7:53 p.m.
On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:00:12 +0400
Mike Cookson <cook60020tmp(a)mail.ru> wrote:
hey, that's a good idea
I'll try it
renato
Audacity would
be
perfect but it doesn't appear in patchage; I can only decide it's
input from it's prefs, but I need to have multiple apps that go
into it (and the prefs dialog won't let me do it)...
Try some mixer like jack_mixer or livemix
_______________________________________________
6:26 a.m.
New subject: [LAU] app for simple editing and recording?
and I'd like to do so in one application. Audacity
would be
perfect but it doesn't appear in patchage; I can only decide it's input
from it's prefs, but I need to have multiple apps that go into it (and
the prefs dialog won't let me do it)...
Or try QJackCtl or LADI Session
Handler. At first case you need to snapshot connections and save to file. At second it is
more natural: LADI remembers connections when they appears; so, it some client is
disconnected, its pipes whil be restored after reconnecting under previous name.
9:27 a.m.
As an editor I would highly recommend ReZound. In my opinion it is a very
good, stable JACKified sound editor. My fav.
4:05 p.m.
My weapon of choice for simple stereo recording and editing is
mhwaveedit. In my opinion a very lean and fast recording solution with
perfect jack support.
https://gna.org/projects/mhwaveedit
Regards,
Martin
7:57 p.m.
On Sun, 16 May 2010 11:27:43 +0400
Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As an editor I would highly recommend ReZound. In my
opinion it is a
very good, stable JACKified sound editor. My fav.
I love it too for editing, but I had some problems recording (maybe
the same issue of audacity that's easily solvable by a mixer as was
proposed by Mike)
also it's not developed anymore, which means probably some day it will
get broken with newer versions of it's dependancies
8:14 p.m.
I really hope they will take over ReZound. It is, imho, one of the best
editors
for GNU/Linux.
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Renato <rennabh(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2010 11:27:43 +0400
Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As an editor I would highly recommend ReZound. In
my opinion it is a
very good, stable JACKified sound editor. My fav.
I love it too for editing, but I had some problems recording (maybe
the same issue of audacity that's easily solvable by a mixer as was
proposed by Mike)
also it's not developed anymore, which means probably some day it will
get broken with newer versions of it's dependancies
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10:19 p.m.
Renato wrote:
hello list,
I'd need to:
1) - open mp3/wav files, do some trimming and fade ins/outs and save to
mp3/wav
2) - do some recordings of JACK-apps
May I mention mhWaveEdit: https://gna.org/projects/mhwaveedit
It's a very straightforward (thus really easy to use) single-file editor
with jack support. It loads and saves mp3s.
I use it all the time to cut/trim/normalise fade single files when I
don't need to do multi-track end funky stuff (with ardour) and I like to
mentionet every now and then on the list as I think it deserves a little
more visibility.
Lorenzo.
and I'd like to do so in one application. Audacity
would be
perfect but it doesn't appear in patchage; I can only decide it's input
from it's prefs, but I need to have multiple apps that go into it (and
the prefs dialog won't let me do it)...
All apps I found so far do either 1 and are not JACK-apps (or have a
problem similar to audacity's) (Rezound,Sweep) or do 2 but not 1
(Ardour,jack_rec)
I haven't tested the following, and would like to know from you if any
of them does both 1 and 2 without me testing them all:
qtractor,muse,ecasound,rosegarden
thanks
renato
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24 May
7:54 p.m.
Am Sonntag 16 Mai 2010, 22:20:56 schrieb Lorenzo:
Renato wrote:
This is very right. I spent some time recently searching the right sound-
editor. I was very impressed by the opportunitys with snd and I still use it
sometimes (especially when I need a beautyfull fft-analysis ;) But mhwaveedit
is small, simple and intuitive in use. It's handy, I think that's the right
word.
Best,
Bjoern
hello list,
I'd need to:
1) - open mp3/wav files, do some trimming and fade ins/outs and save to
mp3/wav
2) - do some recordings of JACK-apps
May I mention mhWaveEdit: https://gna.org/projects/mhwaveedit
It's a very straightforward (thus really easy to use) single-file editor
with jack support. It loads and saves mp3s.
I use it all the time to cut/trim/normalise fade single files when I
don't need to do multi-track end funky stuff (with ardour) and I like to
mentionet every now and then on the list as I think it deserves a little
more visibility.
Lorenzo.
and I'd like to do so in one application.
Audacity would be
perfect but it doesn't appear in patchage; I can only decide it's input
from it's prefs, but I need to have multiple apps that go into it (and
the prefs dialog won't let me do it)...
All apps I found so far do either 1 and are not JACK-apps (or have a
problem similar to audacity's) (Rezound,Sweep) or do 2 but not 1
(Ardour,jack_rec)
I haven't tested the following, and would like to know from you if any
of them does both 1 and 2 without me testing them all:
qtractor,muse,ecasound,rosegarden
thanks
renato
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12:11 a.m.
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:49:06AM +0200, Renato wrote:
hello list,
I'd need to:
1) - open mp3/wav files, do some trimming and fade ins/outs and save to
mp3/wav
2) - do some recordings of JACK-apps
and I'd like to do so in one application. Audacity would be
perfect but it doesn't appear in patchage; I can only decide it's input
from it's prefs, but I need to have multiple apps that go into it (and
the prefs dialog won't let me do it)...
All apps I found so far do either 1 and are not JACK-apps (or have a
problem similar to audacity's) (Rezound,Sweep) or do 2 but not 1
(Ardour,jack_rec)
I haven't tested the following, and would like to know from you if any
of them does both 1 and 2 without me testing them all:
qtractor,muse,ecasound,rosegarden
Hi Renato,
Did you find a workable solution?
You mention Ecasound. It is capable of trimming and fading.
This command-line example (not tested) snips 90 seconds of input.mp3
starting at 3 seconds, with a 1 second fade-in and 1 second
logarithmic fade-out to -128dB.
ecasound -i:select,3,90,input.mp3 \
-eadb:0 \
-klg:1,-128,0,4,0,0,1,1,89,1,90,0 \
-o:output.mp3
The -eadb operator is a logarithmic
volume control (zero is 100%).
-klg is a linear-envelope controller that modulates the
previous volume operator. (man ecasound for details.)
Ecasound has an interactive mode as well, and is suitable
for recording from JACK.
Sox is a command-line application suited for trimming and fading.
Seeing a couple of posts asking about fades, I added this
feature to Nama, a multitrack audio production app based on
Ecasound.[1] As a first implementation, it offers only a
logarithmic fade, available through the text interface.
For example, fade in the current track over one second
starting at mark1:
nama> fade in mark1 1
And fade out over 2 seconds, ending at mark2:
nama> fade out 2 mark2
HTH
Joel
1. http://freeshell.de/~bolangi/cgi1/nama.cgi/00home.html
thanks
renato
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