24 Jan
2012
24 Jan
'12
2:58 p.m.
He guys,
Recorded a new song with my band Jimson Drift called Need My Sleep:
http://www.jimson-drift.de/Need-my-sleep.mp3
tell me what you think.
Gerald
24 Jan
24 Jan
4:32 p.m.
On 24/01/12 14:58, Gerald Mwangi wrote:
He guys,
Recorded a new song with my band Jimson Drift called Need My Sleep:
http://www.jimson-drift.de/Need-my-sleep.mp3
tell me what you think.
Gerald
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A bit quiet guitar(s).
Other then that, great.
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7:48 p.m.
Sounds well recorded. The mix needs a bit of help. Drums and vocals are
too far forward, guitars are way too far in the back. To solve the
problem, I'd simply bring all the guitars up - especially the electric when
he's playing interesting things. (I'm a drummer, too, so I usually like
very present drums, but these are stomping all over everything else) Bass
sounds good. Great performances all around. Thanks for sharing!
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Goran Mekic <meka(a)lugons.org> wrote:
On 24/01/12 14:58, Gerald Mwangi wrote:
He guys,
Recorded a new song with my band Jimson Drift called Need My Sleep:
http://www.jimson-drift.de/Need-my-sleep.mp3
tell me what you think.
Gerald
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A bit quiet guitar(s). Other then that, great.
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8:04 p.m.
Hi, thanxs for the tips. I'll upload a new version soon
Gerald
On Tue, 2012-01-24 at 11:48 -0700, Jason Jones wrote:
Sounds well recorded. The mix needs a bit of help.
Drums and vocals
are too far forward, guitars are way too far in the back. To solve
the problem, I'd simply bring all the guitars up - especially the
electric when he's playing interesting things. (I'm a drummer, too,
so I usually like very present drums, but these are stomping all over
everything else) Bass sounds good. Great performances all around.
Thanks for sharing!
--Jason
www.advancedbudgetstudios.com
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Goran Mekic <meka(a)lugons.org> wrote:
On 24/01/12 14:58, Gerald Mwangi wrote:
He guys,
Recorded a new song with my band Jimson Drift called Need My
Sleep: http://www.jimson-drift.de/Need-my-sleep.mp3
tell me what you think.
Gerald
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A bit quiet guitar(s). Other then that, great.
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9:31 p.m.
Hi Gerald,
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On Tuesday 24 January 2012 14.58.38 Gerald Mwangi wrote:
...
tell me what you think.
Glad that you're back again. I have heard your music before and you have
a wonderful song - just as I expected. Some of the the chords and
harmonies are also very interesting, I just love it.
IMO, it's not easy to know what to think because I don't which conditions
the recording has. Is it a demo? Do the drums have a single track for
each item, did you record it quick and hasty and so on. So I just say
what I think assuming that each part of the drums have it's own track
plus two OH mics. What I say here might be wrong anyway, I don't know
your EQs, HPF's, compressors and so on, so just see this as vague
suggestions and blurry starting points:
*The snare drum is to load, you better lover it and add 3-6 dB
somewhere around 600 - 700 Hz (more of the ringing body).
And give it a little bit reverb (careful) too.
*Pan the HH more to one of the sides and let the clean guitar
be on the opposite one.
*Give the kick more deep end and accentuate the click. Give
the bass more low mid (and the kick lesser on the same place).
You might also want more fret sound (more mid+) from the
bass, that will probably improve the overall sound. Right now,
hard kicks are destroying the bass some places.
*The vocals need (more) compression, the reverb varies from to
load to to quiet, maybe more compression on the voice is
enough to tame it.
*Use an (or more) HPF for the organ.
*Toms? More body, more attack, more HPF.
About the performance:
It sounds to me like you have timing problems - mostly in the clean
guitar, but it might be editable in the mix (or rerecordable ? :-) ). The
bass and guitars do also sound out of tune some places - and around
2:48, it's bad. When everything is in better synch, then the flow will be
much better.
In a nut shell: Make space in the lower mids to much happens there, lower
your snare amplitude but let it's personality be clearer. More defined mid
in the bass, lesser deep bass. Deeper and clickier kick. Broader stereo
image. Edit away timing problems and out of tune issues. Let's hope that
no new bad things shows up after that :-)
It sounds like the recordings itself are good, and as I said: The song
itself is great. I consider my self as a fan of your music and I'm
looking forward to hear more. :-)
Jostein
25 Jan
25 Jan
9:18 a.m.
Hi Jostein,
On Tue, 2012-01-24 at 21:30 +0100, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote:
Hi Gerald,
Reply to All / Reply to List
On Tuesday 24 January 2012 14.58.38 Gerald Mwangi wrote:
...
Thanx. I wasn't away, I read the list nearly everyday, but I just post
when I have something to show.
tell me what you think.
Glad that you're back again. I have heard your music before and you have
a wonderful song - just as I expected. Some of the the chords and
harmonies are also very interesting, I just love it.
IMO, it's not easy to know what to think because I don't which conditions
the recording has. Is it a demo? Do the drums have a single track for
each item, did you record it quick and hasty and so on. So I just say
what I think assuming that each part of the drums have it's own track
plus two OH mics. What I say here might be wrong anyway, I don't know
your EQs, HPF's, compressors and so on, so just see this as vague
suggestions and blurry starting points:
*The snare drum is to load, you better lover it and add 3-6 dB
somewhere around 600 - 700 Hz (more of the ringing body).
And give it a little bit reverb (careful) too.
That's what I've heard elsewhere. This is the first time I mixed drums,
and I sat there for days and fiddling around.
Our drummers opinion was that the snare shouldn't ring to much, since he
likes it tight. I think a bit of ring is good so I'll try out your tip.
*Pan the HH more to one of the sides and let the clean
guitar
be on the opposite one.
*Give the kick more deep end and accentuate the click. Give
the bass more low mid (and the kick lesser on the same place).
You might also want more fret sound (more mid+) from the
bass, that will probably improve the overall sound. Right now,
hard kicks are destroying the bass some places.
Which freq range do you mean by low mid?
*The vocals need (more) compression, the reverb varies
from to
load to to quiet, maybe more compression on the voice is
enough to tame it.
*Use an (or more) HPF for the organ.
Does it have to much bass? Which center freq?
*Toms? More body, more attack, more HPF.
Here again our drummers opinion, but I'll use your tip. Again center
freq of HPF? And Range since the body of the toms goes down to 300-400
Hz ?
About the performance:
It sounds to me like you have timing problems - mostly in the clean
guitar, but it might be editable in the mix (or rerecordable ? :-) ). The
bass and guitars do also sound out of tune some places - and around
2:48, it's bad. When everything is in better synch, then the flow will be
much better.
Yep, timing is our problem. None of us is good that, least of all me
(singer+guitarist). But since it's just a demo for getting gigs, I think
it's ok for now.
In a nut shell: Make space in the lower mids to much happens there, lower
your snare amplitude but let it's personality be clearer. More defined mid
in the bass, lesser deep bass. Deeper and clickier kick. Broader stereo
image. Edit away timing problems and out of tune issues. Let's hope that
no new bad things shows up after that :-)
I was trying to get it sound like chili peppers Dani California, of
which I have the impression that it's loud in the mids.
But I think you're right. Do you have a reference song I could listen
to?
It sounds like the recordings itself are good, and as I said: The song
itself is great. I consider my self as a fan of your music and I'm
looking forward to hear more. :-)
I feel delighted, thanx. We have more to show in the coming weeks, once
this mix is ready I'll use it as a template.
Thank you a lot for the detailed tips, I'll try to deploy them.
Regards,
Gerald
Jostein
7:21 p.m.
onsdagen den 25 januari 2012 09.18.10 skrev Gerald Mwangi:
...
he
Around 200-300 Hz
You might want to cut it around 300 Hz (with 12dB/oct). I really can't
tell
without hearing and testing by my self. Synths and organs can go down to
the
deepest sub bass area, but that frequencies are not useful for any
instrument
(except bass/kick) in this kind of music.
Depends very much of the toms, bass and kick. Just select a point on the
song where the toms in question are in use and drag the HPF until you
hear it starts working and then back it a little bit. Then if it's
interfering with the bass/kick or another tom, then go higher with the
HPF. Just trust your ears. If you don't have big monitors, then it might
be good to use a good pair of head phones for this.
I guess that Red Hot Chili Peppers is a fine reference, because Flea has
this dirty bass which cut thru the mix and Chad Smith's snare have this
ringing sound. A lot of Level 42's music will probably also help you (ie.
Running In the Family), no ringing drums but they sounds really great.
You should treat this detailed tips with very big skepticism. Anything
you do will probably impact on anything and I no idea how any single
track of yours sound like.
I always trust my ears and seldom thinks in Hz when mixing: I usually
starts with by using an HPF and some EQing and compressing when required
on every track (the order is drums, bass, guitars, keys, vox). For HPF,
turn it upwards until I hear the change and then I back it slightly.
When I start to mix every track, than I adjust filters and FX as needed.
I think I have a quite common approach. Others just start mixing and then
use filers and other stuff.
Good luck.
Jostein
*The snare
drum is to load, you better lover it and add 3-6 dB
somewhere around 600 - 700 Hz (more of the ringing body).
And give it a little bit reverb (careful) too.
That's what I've heard elsewhere. This is the first time I mixed drums,
and I sat there for days and fiddling around.
Our drummers opinion was that the snare shouldn't ring to much, since likes it tight. I think a bit of ring is good so
I'll try out your tip.
One important mixing rule is: Forget about personal preferences when it
comes
to how a single instrument sounds. It's the whole that matters and the
snare
should probably be heard thanks to the sound, not the volume.
*Give the kick
more deep end and accentuate the click. Give
the bass more low mid (and the kick lesser on the same place).
You might also want more fret sound (more mid+) from the
bass, that will probably improve the overall sound. Right now,
hard kicks are destroying the bass some places.
Which freq range do you mean by low mid? *Use an (or
more) HPF for the organ.
Does it have to much bass? Which center freq? *Toms? More
body, more attack, more HPF.
Here again our drummers opinion, but I'll use your tip. Again center
freq of HPF? And Range since the body of the toms goes down to 300-400
Hz ? > In a nut shell: Make space in the lower mids to
much happens there,
> lower
> your snare amplitude but let it's personality be clearer. More defined
> mid in the bass, lesser deep bass. Deeper and clickier kick. Broader
> stereo image. Edit away timing problems and out of tune issues.
Let's
hope that no
new bad things shows up after that
I was trying to get it sound like chili peppers Dani California, of
which I have the impression that it's loud in the mids.
But I think you're right. Do you have a reference song I could listen
to? > It sounds like the recordings itself are good,
and as I said: The
song
itself is
great. I consider my self as a fan of your music and I'm
looking forward to hear more.
I feel delighted, thanx. We have more to show in the coming weeks, once
this mix is ready I'll use it as a template.
Thank you a lot for the detailed tips, I'll try to deploy them. 
7:33 p.m.
On 01/25/2012 01:20 PM, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote:
I've got to second this. Once you get a mix near the final stages, you
might find that if you solo individual instruments, they end up sounding
nothing like what you would normally prefer.
It's also almost always a really bad idea to listen to the drummer's
opinion of what his drums should sound like or where they should sit in
a mix. For one thing, he's the ONLY person who has no idea what his
drums sound like, since he's the only one who sits behind them. There
is no possible way for him to know what HIS drums sound like while HE is
playing them. He has a very distorted view of what they really sound like.
(Here's another of my tracks. This one is with my band:
http://soundcloud.com/althompson-indy/4-walls )
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That's what I've heard elsewhere. This is
the first time I mixed drums,
and I sat there for days and fiddling around.
Our drummers opinion was that the snare shouldn't ring to much, since
he
likes it tight. I think a bit of ring is good so
I'll try out your tip.
One important mixing rule is: Forget about personal
preferences when it
comes
to how a single instrument sounds. It's the whole that matters and the
snare
should probably be heard thanks to the sound, not the volume.
26 Jan
26 Jan
9:54 a.m.
That songs nice. What's the effect you used on the voice in the bridge?
Gerald
On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 13:33 -0500, Al Thompson wrote:
On 01/25/2012 01:20 PM, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote:
I've got to second this. Once you get a mix near the final stages, you
might find that if you solo individual instruments, they end up sounding
nothing like what you would normally prefer.
It's also almost always a really bad idea to listen to the drummer's
opinion of what his drums should sound like or where they should sit in
a mix. For one thing, he's the ONLY person who has no idea what his
drums sound like, since he's the only one who sits behind them. There
is no possible way for him to know what HIS drums sound like while HE is
playing them. He has a very distorted view of what they really sound like.
(Here's another of my tracks. This one is with my band:
http://soundcloud.com/althompson-indy/4-walls )
That's what I've heard elsewhere. This is
the first time I mixed drums,
and I sat there for days and fiddling around.
Our drummers opinion was that the snare shouldn't ring to much, since
he
likes it tight. I think a bit of ring is good so
I'll try out your tip.
One important mixing rule is: Forget about personal
preferences when it
comes
to how a single instrument sounds. It's the whole that matters and the
snare
should probably be heard thanks to the sound, not the volume.
27 Jan
27 Jan
2:45 a.m.
On 01/26/2012 03:54 AM, Gerald Mwangi wrote:
That songs nice. What's the effect you used on the
voice in the bridge?
Gerald
(Here's another of my tracks. This one is with my band:
> http://soundcloud.com/althompson-indy/4-walls )
Jack vocoder!!
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und diese Lüge kriecht aus seinem Munde: 'Ich, der Staat, bin das Volk.'
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