25 Mar
2015
25 Mar
'15
9:35 a.m.
it shows only one bank?
I go Instrument > Show banks, it shows me only a bank named "#42. yoshimi"
I go Instrument > Show instruments, it shows me a bank named "42.
yoshimi" - and that's it. Clicking arrow beside bank name does nothing.
Clicking Refresh banks changes nothing.
Oh, so now I have to select a bank, click Make Current, and then I can
see the banks?
Hmm, seems to me that it would be nice if there was a single "bank" that
listed everything. Finding an instrument now means first figuring out
which bank it might be in, making that bank the current one, then
looking through that bank hoping it contains the instrument I'm looking
for ...
I think the other way was less cumbersome.
Haven't time now to see what impact this might have one instruments in
my Rosegarden studio setup, will have to see how that works out.
Thanks for the update, still the neatest sound maker in the collection!
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25 Mar
25 Mar
9:35 p.m.
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 22:35:29 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
it shows only one bank?
I go Instrument > Show banks, it shows me only a bank named "#42. yoshimi"
I go Instrument > Show instruments, it shows me a bank named "42.
yoshimi" - and that's it. Clicking arrow beside bank name does nothing.
Clicking Refresh banks changes nothing.
This is really strange.
I've just checked with a new build or 1.3.3 as published and it works perfectly.
The only slight irritation (now fixed) is that with a clean install you should
see "5. Arpeggios" in the dropdown window, but you have to select another
(from a list of 22!) for the list to be initialised. After that you should have
no problems.
Can you check that "/usr/local/share/yoshimi/banks" exists? I'm wondering
if
they've left the banks out - I know there was some discussion about whether
they needed to support both the yoshi and zyn sets.
Try setting up some more root paths pointing to bank sets you know
you've got.
Oh, so now I have to select a bank, click Make
Current, and then I can
see the banks?
Form the root paths yes,
Hmm, seems to me that it would be nice if there was a
single "bank" that
listed everything. Finding an instrument now means first figuring out
which bank it might be in, making that bank the current one, then
looking through that bank hoping it contains the instrument I'm looking
for ...
I think the other way was less cumbersome.
The problem with the old way (although it's still mostly there) is that you
have no idea which bank of which root you've got an instrument from. Also, two
totally different instruments could have exactly the same name and ID but be in
different banks, or roots. Similarly two banks could have the same name (but
completely different contents) in different roots. With the new method you
always know exactly where you're getting stuff from.
Finally, I've got into the habit of doing a right-button mouse click. It closes
one window as you open the other. Like that going up and down through roots,
banks and instruments is just about instantaneous.
A little bit of icing on the cake is that whenever you change roots it
automatically selects the first bank it can find, so if you have fave sounds
give them the lowest location in each bank :)
Haven't time now to see what impact this might
have one instruments in
my Rosegarden studio setup, will have to see how that works out.
You should find this a lot nicer. Adding new banks or instruments will *not*
change the IDs of any existing ones.
Thanks for the update, still the neatest sound maker
in the collection!
Thanks :)
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27 Mar
27 Mar
7:31 a.m.
On 03/25/2015 10:35 AM, Will Godfrey wrote:
That's a good idea.
I guess this means the full real name of the instrument is now
root/bank/instrument? Makes sense.
:)
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 22:35:29 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
I checked. "/usr/local/share/yoshimi/banks" doesn't exist. My Aptosid
Debian Sid setup has them here: "/usr/share/yoshimi/banks".
it shows only one bank?
I go Instrument > Show banks, it shows me only a bank named "#42. yoshimi"
I go Instrument > Show instruments, it shows me a bank named "42.
yoshimi" - and that's it. Clicking arrow beside bank name does nothing.
Clicking Refresh banks changes nothing.
This is really strange.
I've just checked with a new build or 1.3.3 as published and it works perfectly.
The only slight irritation (now fixed) is that with a clean install you should
see "5. Arpeggios" in the dropdown window, but you have to select another
(from a list of 22!) for the list to be initialised. After that you should have
no problems.
Can you check that "/usr/local/share/yoshimi/banks" exists? I'm wondering
if
they've left the banks out - I know there was some discussion about whether
they needed to support both the yoshi and zyn sets. Try setting up some more root paths pointing to bank
sets you know
you've got.
I just set up a root path to "/usr/local/share/yoshimi/banks". I see
them now. Although I did somehow hit a point where I had set up and
saved my new root, then went to check my root in another window - and my
saved change didn't show there. Anyway, seems to be saved now.
I noticed that there's a root named "./" - what's that supposed to
represent?
I do have a root setup to a yoshimi folder in my home directory. It only
contains instruments, I think. Anyway, even though it's set up as one of
my roots, when I make that one current and click the Instruments button,
I get a new window "Root #2, Bank #5" showing no instruments whatever.
Shouldn't it show the instruments in that folder? There are a bunch there.
I see I've got to poke around more to get used to this somewhat-biggish
change.
Oh, so now I
have to select a bank, click Make Current, and then I can
see the banks?
Form the root paths yes,
Hmm, seems to me that it would be nice if there
was a single "bank" that
listed everything. Finding an instrument now means first figuring out
which bank it might be in, making that bank the current one, then
looking through that bank hoping it contains the instrument I'm looking
for ...
I think the other way was less cumbersome.
The problem with the old way (although it's still mostly there) is that you
have no idea which bank of which root you've got an instrument from. Also, two
totally different instruments could have exactly the same name and ID but be in
different banks, or roots. Similarly two banks could have the same name (but
completely different contents) in different roots. With the new method you
always know exactly where you're getting stuff from.
Finally, I've got into the habit of doing a right-button mouse click. It closes
one window as you open the other. Like that going up and down through roots,
banks and instruments is just about instantaneous. A little bit of icing on the cake is that whenever you
change roots it
automatically selects the first bank it can find, so if you have fave sounds
give them the lowest location in each bank :)
Hurrah!
Haven't time now to see what impact this
might have one instruments in
my Rosegarden studio setup, will have to see how that works out.
You should find this a lot nicer. Adding new banks or instruments will *not*
change the IDs of any existing ones. Thanks for the
update, still the neatest sound maker in the collection!
Thanks :)
10:46 p.m.
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 20:31:24 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
I checked. "/usr/local/share/yoshimi/banks"
doesn't exist. My Aptosid
Debian Sid setup has them here: "/usr/share/yoshimi/banks".
OK, maybe we should add this to the default list.
I noticed that there's a root named "./"
- what's that supposed to
represent?
I think this is a historical reference to when a few banks were in the src
directory. We should probably remove it now :)
I do have a root setup to a yoshimi folder in my home
directory. It only
contains instruments, I think. Anyway, even though it's set up as one of
my roots, when I make that one current and click the Instruments button,
I get a new window "Root #2, Bank #5" showing no instruments whatever.
Shouldn't it show the instruments in that folder? There are a bunch there.
It looks like you are pointing the root path *into* a bank, you should point it
to were the bank *is*
So bank foo in {username}/mysounds with instruments bar1, bar2,bar2
the root path should be /home/{username}/mysounds.
Traditionally all default bank collections have been in a directory called
banks. There was a suggestion that this should be a hard requirement, but I
didn't want yoshi to be that demanding!
Do the instruments in your bank have the 4 digit number prefix? We've tested
that the structure works correctly if some don't have a prefix, but I'm not
sure how it would behave if none of a large collection were prefixed. This
wouldn't be very stable anyway as any additions or removals would shuffle them
around.
HTH
--
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http://www.musically.me.uk
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Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
28 Mar
28 Mar
8:56 a.m.
On 03/27/2015 11:47 AM, Will Godfrey wrote:
Sounds like a deal.
I have it setup as you mention above: /home/david/yoshimi. Selecting it
as a bank shows me none of the 35 instruments in that folder.
I've also tried pointing the root at /home/david, but that didn't find
them, either.
Maybe I should move them into a banks folder? Just did that ... nope,
still nothing. OK, removing the "./" root from the collection makes the
instruments appear.
I moved the instruments back out of the banks folder I created, they
still seem to show up. Weirdly enough, though, when I pick one or
another from the list of instruments, the instrument doesn't change when
I select one ... I moved them back into a banks folder and now the
instrument changes when I select one. It sounds like something in yoshi
really wants that "banks" folder.
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 20:31:24 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Sounds like a deal.
I checked.
"/usr/local/share/yoshimi/banks" doesn't exist. My Aptosid
Debian Sid setup has them here: "/usr/share/yoshimi/banks".
OK, maybe we should add this to the default list. I noticed that
there's a root named "./" - what's that supposed to
represent?
I think this is a historical reference to when a few banks were in the src
directory. We should probably remove it now :) I do have a
root setup to a yoshimi folder in my home directory. It only
contains instruments, I think. Anyway, even though it's set up as one of
my roots, when I make that one current and click the Instruments button,
I get a new window "Root #2, Bank #5" showing no instruments whatever.
Shouldn't it show the instruments in that folder? There are a bunch there.
It looks like you are pointing the root path *into* a bank, you should point it
to were the bank *is*
So bank foo in {username}/mysounds with instruments bar1, bar2,bar2
the root path should be /home/{username}/mysounds. Traditionally all default bank collections have been
in a directory called
banks. There was a suggestion that this should be a hard requirement, but I
didn't want yoshi to be that demanding!
Do the instruments in your bank have the 4 digit number prefix? We've tested
that the structure works correctly if some don't have a prefix, but I'm not
sure how it would behave if none of a large collection were prefixed. This
wouldn't be very stable anyway as any additions or removals would shuffle them
around.
They all have 4-digit number prefixes.
HTH
It does, making sense out of this.
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http://dancingtreefrog.com
10:12 a.m.
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 21:56:05 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Maybe I should move them into a banks folder? Just did
that ... nope,
still nothing. OK, removing the "./" root from the collection makes the
instruments appear.
OK, that settles it - it's going!
I moved the instruments back out of the banks folder I
created, they
still seem to show up. Weirdly enough, though, when I pick one or
another from the list of instruments, the instrument doesn't change when
I select one ... I moved them back into a banks folder and now the
instrument changes when I select one. It sounds like something in yoshi
really wants that "banks" folder.
I'll check the ID code. It seems that once it had IDd the bank it didn't
recognise that all the instruments in it had gone via some 'external' means :p
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29 Mar
29 Mar
3:24 a.m.
New subject: hmm, resolved
Just to update people.
David had triggered two bugs. These are both now fixed in the current master
and will be pushed out in the next release (which we'll probably bring forward).
A temporary workaround is to go back to quitting and restarting Yoshimi when
adding or removing root paths.
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