4 Apr
2010
4 Apr
'10
4:25 p.m.
Dear List,
as i start qjackctl and it can not start the server because some other
application is using the soundcard it continues to flash Winows-style
bubbles with its error message over and over every N seconds. Very
annoying behavior. Is there any way to stop it? Make it forget about
bubbles and misunderstood user-friendliness?
thanks for any suggestions!
P
4 Apr
4 Apr
9:35 p.m.
Peter Plessas wrote:
as i start qjackctl and it can not start the server
because some other
application is using the soundcard it continues to flash Winows-style
bubbles with its error message over and over every N seconds. Very
annoying behavior. Is there any way to stop it? Make it forget about
bubbles and misunderstood user-friendliness?
Interesting, I've never had QJackCtl dor more than one error message.
Never had it continue asking. I don't even see a setting anywhere that
seems to have that at all. I have 0.3.2.
What version are you using?
--
David
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9:40 p.m.
david wrote:
Peter Plessas wrote:
Qt: 4.5.3
QjackCtl: 0.3.6
Do you have qjackctl configured to fire up the jack server at
application startup?
thank you!
P
as i start qjackctl and it can not start the
server because some other
application is using the soundcard it continues to flash Winows-style
bubbles with its error message over and over every N seconds. Very
annoying behavior. Is there any way to stop it? Make it forget about
bubbles and misunderstood user-friendliness?
Interesting, I've never had QJackCtl dor more than one error message.
Never had it continue asking. I don't even see a setting anywhere that
seems to have that at all. I have 0.3.2.
What version are you using? 
10:05 p.m.
Excerpts from Peter Plessas's message of 2010-04-05 01:40:04 +0200:
david wrote:
The bubbles are my fault, I suggested them, but I also noticed that
behavior and I think I complained about it on the sf bugtracker but I
can't find the bug anymore...
The main reason for bubbles was that the tray icon was unusable while
the error window was showing, which was inconvenient for me.
AFAIK only the very latest release of qjackctl has bubbles instead of
the window.
Peter Plessas wrote:
Qt: 4.5.3
QjackCtl: 0.3.6
Do you have qjackctl configured to fire up the jack server at
application startup?
thank you!
P as i start qjackctl and it can not start the
server because some other
application is using the soundcard it continues to flash Winows-style
bubbles with its error message over and over every N seconds. Very
annoying behavior. Is there any way to stop it? Make it forget about
bubbles and misunderstood user-friendliness?
Interesting, I've never had QJackCtl dor more than one error message.
Never had it continue asking. I don't even see a setting anywhere that
seems to have that at all. I have 0.3.2.
What version are you using?
10:16 p.m.
Philipp wrote:
Excerpts from Peter Plessas's message of
2010-04-05 01:40:04 +0200:
Thank you Philipp, for your kind reply and for
your work in supporting
qjackctl! Do you think we should file a new bugreport?
david wrote:
The bubbles are my fault, I suggested them, but I also noticed that
behavior and I think I complained about it on the sf bugtracker but I
can't find the bug anymore... Peter Plessas wrote:
Qt: 4.5.3
QjackCtl: 0.3.6
Do you have qjackctl configured to fire up the jack server at
application startup?
thank you!
P as i start qjackctl and it can not start the
server because some other
application is using the soundcard it continues to flash Winows-style
bubbles with its error message over and over every N seconds. Very
annoying behavior. Is there any way to stop it? Make it forget about
bubbles and misunderstood user-friendliness?
Interesting, I've never had
QJackCtl dor more than one error message.
Never had it continue asking. I don't even see a setting anywhere that
seems to have that at all. I have 0.3.2.
What version are you using? The main reason for bubbles was that the tray icon was
unusable while
the error window was showing, which was inconvenient for me.
I already think that
having the message window plus an error message
dialogue popping up in older versions of qjackctl was too much of
different windows opening all over the place, so while I totally
understand your motivation I think this is too much information in a
badly organized way. I even have the disadvantage of being on a debian
system which will incorporate an eventual bugfix very late after it got
submitted, unless I start to compile qjackctl myself which I usually
want to avoid.
AFAIK only the very latest release of qjackctl has bubbles instead of
the window.
How long do you think reverting to a non-bubbley behavior is going to
take?
Thank you again for your open minded support and efforts in making
qjackctl an easy to use and great piece of software!
P.
5 Apr
5 Apr
9:22 a.m.
On 04/05/2010 01:16 AM, Peter Plessas wrote:
Philipp wrote:
the bubbles appear on qjackctl >= 0.3.6 only if you enable the system
tray icon.
the bubbles, or otherwise plain message boxes, will keep popping up
until jack is either started successfully or you stop retrials by
pressing the stop button explicitly.
Excerpts from Peter Plessas's message of
2010-04-05 01:40:04 +0200:
Thank you Philipp, for your kind reply and for
your work in supporting
qjackctl! Do you think we should file a new bugreport?
david wrote:
The bubbles are my fault, I suggested them, but I also noticed that
behavior and I think I complained about it on the sf bugtracker but I
can't find the bug anymore... Peter Plessas wrote:
> as i start qjackctl and it can not start the server because some other
> application is using the soundcard it continues to flash Winows-style
> bubbles with its error message over and over every N seconds. Very
> annoying behavior. Is there any way to stop it? Make it forget about
> bubbles and misunderstood user-friendliness?
Interesting, I've never had QJackCtl dor more than one error message.
Never had it continue asking. I don't even see a setting anywhere that
seems to have that at all. I have 0.3.2.
What version are you using?
Qt: 4.5.3
QjackCtl: 0.3.6
Do you have qjackctl configured to fire up the jack server at
application startup?
thank you!
P The main reason for bubbles was that the tray
icon was unusable while
the error window was showing, which was inconvenient for me.
I already think that
having the message window plus an error message
dialogue popping up in older versions of qjackctl was too much of
different windows opening all over the place, so while I totally
understand your motivation I think this is too much information in a
badly organized way. I even have the disadvantage of being on a debian
system which will incorporate an eventual bugfix very late after it got
submitted, unless I start to compile qjackctl myself which I usually
want to avoid.
AFAIK only the very latest release of qjackctl has bubbles instead of
the window.
How long do you think reverting to a non-bubbley behavior is going to
take?
Thank you again for your open minded support and
efforts in making
qjackctl an easy to use and great piece of software!
cheers
--
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc(a)rncbc.org
9:41 a.m.
Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
On 04/05/2010 01:16 AM, Peter Plessas wrote:
Not if the jack server is "started at
application startup". Then the
bubbles are around all the next hours. And the message window pops up
too which is known from previous versions of qjackctl and I think
intended behavior. So it is hard to even get to the qjackctl main window
with bubbles and message windows popping up every N seconds. Somehow
this behavior is not user-friendly at all any more.
Let's think of a better way of doing it, perhaps no bubbles at all?
kind
P
Philipp wrote:
the bubbles appear on qjackctl >= 0.3.6 only if you enable the system
tray icon.
the bubbles, or otherwise plain message boxes, will keep popping up
until jack is either started successfully or you stop retrials by
pressing the stop button explicitly. Excerpts from Peter Plessas's message of
2010-04-05 01:40:04 +0200:
Thank you Philipp, for your kind reply and for
your work in supporting
qjackctl! Do you think we should file a new bugreport?
david wrote:
> Peter Plessas wrote:
>
>> as i start qjackctl and it can not start the server because some other
>> application is using the soundcard it continues to flash Winows-style
>> bubbles with its error message over and over every N seconds. Very
>> annoying behavior. Is there any way to stop it? Make it forget about
>> bubbles and misunderstood user-friendliness?
> Interesting, I've never had QJackCtl dor more than one error message.
> Never had it continue asking. I don't even see a setting anywhere that
> seems to have that at all. I have 0.3.2.
>
> What version are you using?
Qt: 4.5.3
QjackCtl: 0.3.6
Do you have qjackctl configured to fire up the jack server at
application startup?
thank you!
P
The bubbles are my fault, I suggested them, but I also noticed that
behavior and I think I complained about it on the sf bugtracker but I
can't find the bug anymore... The main reason for bubbles was that the tray
icon was unusable while
the error window was showing, which was inconvenient for me.
I already think that
having the message window plus an error message
dialogue popping up in older versions of qjackctl was too much of
different windows opening all over the place, so while I totally
understand your motivation I think this is too much information in a
badly organized way. I even have the disadvantage of being on a debian
system which will incorporate an eventual bugfix very late after it got
submitted, unless I start to compile qjackctl myself which I usually
want to avoid.
AFAIK only the very latest release of qjackctl
has bubbles instead of
the window.
How long do you think reverting to a non-bubbley behavior is going to
take?
12:21 p.m.
Excerpts from Peter Plessas's message of 2010-04-05 13:41:09 +0200:
Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
So what exactly are you suggesting? I don't think the blocking pop-up
in the pre-bubble versions was better. Maybe remove the failure notification
altogether, just pop open the messages window?
Basically you can see that the server isn't running from the tray icon.
Or change the restart behavior? Try only once?
On 04/05/2010 01:16 AM, Peter Plessas wrote:
Not if the jack server is "started at
application startup". Then the
bubbles are around all the next hours. And the message window pops up
too which is known from previous versions of qjackctl and I think
intended behavior. So it is hard to even get to the qjackctl main window
with bubbles and message windows popping up every N seconds. Somehow
this behavior is not user-friendly at all any more.
Let's think of a better way of doing it, perhaps no bubbles at all?
kind
P Philipp wrote:
the bubbles appear on qjackctl >= 0.3.6 only if you enable the system
tray icon.
the bubbles, or otherwise plain message boxes, will keep popping up
until jack is either started successfully or you stop retrials by
pressing the stop button explicitly. Excerpts from Peter Plessas's message of
2010-04-05 01:40:04 +0200:
> david wrote:
>> Peter Plessas wrote:
>>
>>> as i start qjackctl and it can not start the server because some other
>>> application is using the soundcard it continues to flash Winows-style
>>> bubbles with its error message over and over every N seconds. Very
>>> annoying behavior. Is there any way to stop it? Make it forget about
>>> bubbles and misunderstood user-friendliness?
>> Interesting, I've never had QJackCtl dor more than one error message.
>> Never had it continue asking. I don't even see a setting anywhere that
>> seems to have that at all. I have 0.3.2.
>>
>> What version are you using?
> Qt: 4.5.3
> QjackCtl: 0.3.6
>
> Do you have qjackctl configured to fire up the jack server at
> application startup?
>
> thank you!
> P
The bubbles are my fault, I suggested them, but I also noticed that
behavior and I think I complained about it on the sf bugtracker but I
can't find the bug anymore...
Thank you Philipp, for your kind reply and for
your work in supporting
qjackctl! Do you think we should file a new bugreport?
The main reason for bubbles was that the tray
icon was unusable while
the error window was showing, which was inconvenient for me.
I already think that
having the message window plus an error message
dialogue popping up in older versions of qjackctl was too much of
different windows opening all over the place, so while I totally
understand your motivation I think this is too much information in a
badly organized way. I even have the disadvantage of being on a debian
system which will incorporate an eventual bugfix very late after it got
submitted, unless I start to compile qjackctl myself which I usually
want to avoid.
AFAIK only the very latest release of qjackctl
has bubbles instead of
the window.
How long do you think reverting to a non-bubbley behavior is going to
take?
12:35 p.m.
Maybe remove the failure notification
altogether, just pop open the messages window?
Basically you can see that the server isn't running from the tray icon.
Or change the restart behavior? Try only once?
Is there no way to only post the message once but keep the rest of the
behaviour? Not sure if the internals make this difficult to implement.
Nick.
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12:54 p.m.
Philipp wrote:
Excerpts from Peter Plessas's message of
2010-04-05 13:41:09 +0200:
I'd say, changing this to make jack try starting only once will resemble
the most coherent behavior. Popping up one window (the message window)
should be enough to capture the user's attention at failed startup.
Any comments welcome!
P
Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
So what exactly are you suggesting? I don't think the blocking pop-up
in the pre-bubble versions was better. Maybe remove the failure notification
altogether, just pop open the messages window?
Basically you can see that the server isn't running from the tray icon.
Or change the restart behavior? Try only once? On 04/05/2010 01:16 AM, Peter Plessas wrote:
Not if the jack server is "started at
application startup". Then the
bubbles are around all the next hours. And the message window pops up
too which is known from previous versions of qjackctl and I think
intended behavior. So it is hard to even get to the qjackctl main window
with bubbles and message windows popping up every N seconds. Somehow
this behavior is not user-friendly at all any more.
Let's think of a better way of doing it, perhaps no bubbles at all?
kind
P Philipp wrote:
> Excerpts from Peter Plessas's message of 2010-04-05 01:40:04 +0200:
>> david wrote:
>>> Peter Plessas wrote:
>>>
>>>> as i start qjackctl and it can not start the server because some other
>>>> application is using the soundcard it continues to flash Winows-style
>>>> bubbles with its error message over and over every N seconds. Very
>>>> annoying behavior. Is there any way to stop it? Make it forget about
>>>> bubbles and misunderstood user-friendliness?
>>> Interesting, I've never had QJackCtl dor more than one error message.
>>> Never had it continue asking. I don't even see a setting anywhere that
>>> seems to have that at all. I have 0.3.2.
>>>
>>> What version are you using?
>> Qt: 4.5.3
>> QjackCtl: 0.3.6
>>
>> Do you have qjackctl configured to fire up the jack server at
>> application startup?
>>
>> thank you!
>> P
> The bubbles are my fault, I suggested them, but I also noticed that
> behavior and I think I complained about it on the sf bugtracker but I
> can't find the bug anymore...
Thank you Philipp, for your kind reply and for your work in supporting
qjackctl! Do you think we should file a new bugreport?
> The main reason for bubbles was that the tray icon was unusable while
> the error window was showing, which was inconvenient for me.
I already think that having the message window plus an error message
dialogue popping up in older versions of qjackctl was too much of
different windows opening all over the place, so while I totally
understand your motivation I think this is too much information in a
badly organized way. I even have the disadvantage of being on a debian
system which will incorporate an eventual bugfix very late after it got
submitted, unless I start to compile qjackctl myself which I usually
want to avoid.
> AFAIK only the very latest release of qjackctl has bubbles instead of
> the window.
How long do you think reverting to a non-bubbley behavior is going to take?
the bubbles appear on qjackctl >= 0.3.6 only if you enable the system
tray icon.
the bubbles, or otherwise plain message boxes, will keep popping up
until jack is either started successfully or you stop retrials by
pressing the stop button explicitly.
6:51 p.m.
Peter Plessas wrote:
That's the behavior that makes sense to me. Try once, then notify the
user. Perhaps prompt the user with a list of available audio devices and
indicate which one failed?
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
Or change the
restart behavior? Try only once?
I'd say, changing this to make jack try starting only once will resemble
the most coherent behavior. Popping up one window (the message window)
should be enough to capture the user's attention at failed startup. 
6 Apr
6 Apr
8:59 p.m.
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Peter Plessas wrote:
I'd say, changing this to make jack try starting
only once will resemble
the most coherent behavior. Popping up one window (the message window)
should be enough to capture the user's attention at failed startup.
And maybe make the use of -R/-r depend on the
Jack version instead of applying the new format
blindly.
Ciao,
--
FA
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