Hi Carmen, On Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 03:54:50PM -0500, carmen wrote: Those screenshots look awesome. I have used Purdata for sequencing stuff myself, and have created abstractions for doing all kinds of envelope stuff and written two CDs worth of tunes in just Puredata with no additional software. I think I understand it's raw power by now. :) For this project though, I *want* to be bound to MIDI-enforced notions of what is a track, what is a folder of tracks, what is a region, etc.. I don't want to have full access to the data for further massaging/accessing. I want to sit down and just play without having to spend ages patching together permanancy solutions with my right brain whilst playing music with my left brain. I am trying something different that I've never tried before, and pure Pd is not useful for what I want to do here (though it is useful for a lot of other music I write). That's cool; I use something very similar when do I knob-tweaking-experimental-algorithmic-music and it's lots of fun! Thanks for taking the time to reply. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris(a)mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx

Cesare Marilungo wrote: Ok. I've found [widget] in the miXed/toxy and installed everything inside it. Pd should be started with -lib widget, right? Anything else is needed? And how should I use your files? c. -- http://www.cesaremarilungo.com

On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 03:12:26PM +0000, chris beagles wrote: Hm. That doesn't sound very arbitrary. Sounds more like select powers of two. Can you set the sequence length to 19? -F

On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 03:57:13PM +0000, chris beagles wrote: If it was a number box it wouldn't drop anywhere. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris(a)mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx

Hi guys, <...> It's that time of year again, I feel like trying to push the word about MusE some... Any particular reason why you'd find MusE to be a bad solution for this? Being a MusE developer and long time user, I'm merely asking as to understand what other users lack in MusE that we might fix to make it better (apart from mediocre publicity...). This questions is definately not just directed at Carlo. Regards, Robert -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/

Robert Jonsson wrote: Hi Robert, for me Muse is a very nice sequencer. I use both Muse and Rosegarden, alternately , since I like to follow the development of both. I'm really looking forward to see the envelopes for automating effect paramenters. Cheers, c. -- http://www.cesaremarilungo.com

Le 28 Nov à 22:33, Robert Jonsson ecrivait: Hi Robert. I only use MuSE for composing what I try to do, and I'm quite happy with it. As you're asking, maybe some improvements on the MIDI editors could be made, for example a better access to the various controllers inside the piano roll, and a quick and simple way to center the view on the playhead after zooming. And also a better way to arrange parts and structure inside the arranger. But MuSE remains a very fine software for me. Don't integrate the KDE libs inside of it :). Yves, about to switch to the O.9 version.

Le 29 Nov à 10:52, rj(a)spamatica.se ecrivait: [Access to controllers] Yes. I'd like to add, even manually, any kind of controller from inside the piano roll. Actually (version 0.8.1a), for example with pitch bend, if I click on the ctrl button, then Sel, all I see is Velocity, pan, program and main volume, and a button to add a new controller. If I choose this one, I have never found how to specify that I want the sustain pedal, the modulation or the pitch bend, or whatever. The only trick I've found to insert a pitch bend event manually is to record some pitch events on the part to see, then, the pitch events appear on the « Sel » menu with the little green light lit. The Crtl button available on the list panel behaves the same, if I click on « create new controller », none is available. [Manipulate the parts] Yes :). I'm talking about the « Structure » menu. I'd like to insert four bars between bar 16 and 17, and find exactly the song I had before, with a white space between these bars (or the parts more longer with an empty space in them). And also the possibility to suppress all that is between bar 32 and 36, to find everything that was beyond bar 36 pasted after bar 32. And finally being sure to move (or copy) any number of parts manually (not with the keyboards shortcuts) *in a really reliable way*, especially if these parts are the last ones of the song (and the same thing on an editor, when the notes are the last ones of the whole track, because of a long time known bug AFAIK). This being said, I keep on saying that MuSE remains for me the really best sequencer available in the Linux world, after having testing others intensively. Best, Y.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 10:00:54PM +0100, Robert Jonsson wrote: ARG! And all the time I thought it's an incomplete implemetation or something, and I was stuck with a choice of 2 controlers ... I managed to forget to report this problem though (or maybe I have and forgotten that :) I would expect access to all controlers if the instrument isn't specified at all. -- Thorsten Wilms

On Wednesday 29 November 2006 22:33, Robert Jonsson wrote: But somebody think of the children!!!! Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org

On Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 10:33:31PM +0100, Robert Jonsson wrote: Hi Robert, MusE looks like a great app, but from the website it was not immediately obvious to me that it can do MIDI stuff at all. I only looked briefly at the websites of each bit of software I'm evaluation, so I might have missed something, but I couldn't really see how it could be used to accomplish the task I want to accomplish. For example, the features page says nothing about midi sequencing, record, and playback, which is primarly what I'm looking to do. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris(a)mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx

On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 10:53:37AM +0100, rj(a)spamatica.se wrote: Ah, there's the problem. I typed 'muse' into google and went to the third link that came up. My apologies. I'll give muse a shot when my keyboard arrives. Cheers! Chris. ------------------- chris(a)mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx

On Wednesday 29 Nov 2006 11:43, Hartmut Noack wrote: Can you tell me what settings you find you have to change? Chris

Being a MusE developer and long time user, I'm merely asking as to understand Hi Robert! I really like Muse, but for me it fits a different niche than seq24. Personally I would always choose Muse over RG (KDE is not my fave). But I think RG and MusE (and cubase and cakewalk etc.) are really let down by their very weak editing of loops. If there was some way to edit specify loops (drum or baseline) and then sequence them in a non-clunky way, I think it would be great. The way I work with it is often to design the loops as single bars then copy-paste them, but it is not a particularly easy way of working (compared to seq24) and the labeling of the bars is quite fiddly (if it works at all.. I can't really remember). For sequencing non loop-based music (classical, jazz etc.) then I think MusE is really nice. Two things I would really like to see in MusE: DSSI support, and some way of remembering what the connections were to individual tracks (just having the ability to associate a longer piece of text with each track would be nice - it would enable me to write what instrument that track was driving, and what preset I need to load into that instrument.. maybe LASH will be able to do this sometime, but with the lack of support from most software it is not really an option now). James

I was wondering why are there many grayed out options in the Functions menu inside the piano roll editor? I would like to be able to use some of them, are they not yet implemented? (for example, transpose, crescendo, thin out, etc). Hector On 11/28/06, Robert Jonsson &lt;rj(a)spamatica.se&gt; wrote:

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:33:31 +0100 Robert Jonsson &lt;rj(a)spamatica.se&gt; wrote: When I first came onto the Linux Audio scene I tried both Muse & Rosegarden. Muse had a *requirement* for LASH and Rosegarden didn't. At that time not only did I not want LASH - still have never used it - but my elderly Mandrake install dived into dependency hell if I tried to install it. I had a quick peek at Muse recently, but I'm now so familiar with Rosegarden it just doesn't feel right. -- Will J G

No idea. Tried it and it did what it said. I prefer Seq24 too because it does have a certain 'cult' feel about it. Carlo

On Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 09:38:15PM +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: I had another look at Seq24 after James posted about it. I've actually hooked it up to Puredata before, and it was fun to play with, but I hadn't realised that it had an inbuilt song structure arrangement facility. That is really wonderful and hence Seq24 looks like my choice for this project. I might take the next few days before the keyboard arrives to hack the code a bit and put in the ability for arbitrary length sequences. Looks good. Weird that I can't apt-get install it in Debian. Maybe if they had screenshots on their website it would get more attention. I'll probably compile this one and give it a run. Yeah it really seems to strike that balance wonderfully! Chris. ------------------- chris(a)mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx