14 Oct
2004
14 Oct
'04
11:05 a.m.
Chaps,
Just installed Demudi, sorry I can't remember versions, it's some beta that
came out something like 2-3 months ago which was the first to merge Debian +
music studio on the same CD (requiring one installation only).
Generally, I would recommend the distribution for an easy install (I've not
used it yet), I'd like to make a couple of comments in case anyone is
interested.
-My PC won't boot from CD-ROM. By browsing the directory structure, I kind
of guessed I had at least a couple of choices for DOS: booting from a
rawrite2'd floppy or run loadlin. Fair enough, there's a vmlinuz file there
as well as several .bin floppy images. But: loadlin is not included in the
CD image, not it is rawrite2. Not a big deal for me as I had several other
distros handy but not elegant either. In the same directory where these
images reside, there's a little text file which lists loadlin and rawrite2:
should read "loadlin", reads "lodlin" (in case anyone would like
report this
for future versions).
-I was not able to select English language with a Spanish keyboard layout
(I'm Spanish). You are supposed to select both in one go, the 2 different
options in the menu (that you can see if you select back somewhere in the
middle of the process) seem to be related and didn't work as such distinct
options for me.
-At one point, I went back and selected Spanish (for everything, that is),
next step was repartitioning my hard disk which is inherently a dangerous
operation. The translation of the partitioning software to Spanish was so
poor (wrong actually) that I was scared to repartition in Spanish. Went back
to English so I could understand what the software would do with my hard
disk but now my keyboard layout doesn't match. I'm planning installing to a
different machine I imported from Germany, so I'll have the same layout
problem (I'd rather not choose German language to repartition my disk in
order to have the keyboard properly installed).
-From there on, the installation was as smooth as one could have asked for.
All my hardware was detected and installed automagically including graphics
card, monitor, mouse, sound card (ALSA), network card, modem, CD-ROM.
So generally I'd say it's a very easy to install distribution, and
definitely a huge improvement over the classic "2 installation steps"
approach that all the other music distributions have or used to have. I'm
very pleased with regards to that.
The only other thing is I may need to buy a decent soundcard for this PC. It
should have a GM synth (nothing special since I guess I'll be using soft
synths anyway but I don't want to run a synth just to write a couple of
arrangements), one stereo output and one stereo input both with good overall
audio quality. Seemingly, the current trend is towards either USB 2.0,
firewire or PCI. A colleague has just told me that USB 2.0 is supported by
the Linux kernel starting from the latest version (2.6 I think?) only. Since
music distributions are based on other distributions, chances are that they
now run the 2.4 kernel or maybe older. Does that make sense or am I talking
complete b*ll*cks? Also, this friend has heard about drops happening with
audio over USB, but apparently this was on a Mac and the USB device was a
hard disk rather than a soundcard. Still, he seems to think that USB 2.0 is
not as good option as firewire for audio. (Which reminds me of SCSI vs IDE
drives for audio a few years back, yes SCSI was the serious option for a
couple of years but it was an 80% more expensive as well, and shortly
afterwards IDE started to go "fast enough" and cheaper.) Is firewire better?
Is it more expensive? Also, how does it compare to PCI? Lastly, if any of
you has bought a soundcard (recently so the card is still in production)
which is reasonably similar to what I need (wouldn't mind if it's slightly
better, say 4 mono inputs and 4 mono outputs or something) and has succeed
with having it running under a Linux based music studio, I'd be grateful if
you drop a line.
Many thanks!!
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14 Oct
11:40 a.m.
giovedì, 14 ottobre 2004 alle 12:47:25, Alejandro Lopez ha scritto:
The only other thing is I may need to buy a decent
soundcard for this
PC. It should have a GM synth (nothing special since I guess I'll be
using soft synths anyway but I don't want to run a synth just to write
a couple of arrangements), one stereo output and one stereo input both
with good overall audio quality. Seemingly, the current trend is
towards either USB 2.0, firewire or PCI. A colleague has just told me
that USB 2.0 is supported by the Linux kernel starting from the latest
version (2.6 I think?) only. Since music distributions are based on
other distributions, chances are that they now run the 2.4 kernel or
maybe older. Does that make sense or am I talking complete b*ll*cks?
Also, this friend has heard about drops happening with audio over USB,
but apparently this was on a Mac and the USB device was a hard disk
rather than a soundcard. Still, he seems to think that USB 2.0 is not
as good option as firewire for audio. (Which reminds me of SCSI vs IDE
drives for audio a few years back, yes SCSI was the serious option for
a couple of years but it was an 80% more expensive as well, and shortly
afterwards IDE started to go "fast enough" and cheaper.) Is firewire
better? Is it more expensive? Also, how does it compare to PCI? Lastly,
if any of you has bought a soundcard (recently so the card is still in
production) which is reasonably similar to what I need (wouldn't mind
if it's slightly better, say 4 mono inputs and 4 mono outputs or
something) and has succeed with having it running under a Linux based
music studio, I'd be grateful if you drop a line.
As far as I know firewire based audio cards still aren't supported by ALSA,
and USB devices aren't that good, especially with jack (a sound server
which you probably *want* to run ;)
Also onboard synths are difficult to find nowadays on pro or semi-pro
hardware, for this is better to stick to an hw external expander or a
soft-synth like qsynth or timidity.
Among PCI cards, one of the best value for price is IMHO the m-audio
audiophile 24/96, which in europe you can find at around 100 eur. It is a
pure stereo card based on the well supported envy24 chip, it has s/pdif
I/O, analog I/O and MIDI I/O :
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496-main.html
I don't owe one, but I have recommended it to a pair of friends and they
seem to have liked it :)
As for 4 I/O, the only one I know is the m-audio delta 44 (around 155 euro
in europe, but *without* s/pdif and MIDI):
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta44-main.html
the delta 66 is the same as the 44 but with s/pdif (~ 190 euro).
Then, the cheapest (of which I'm aware of) 8 I/O interface is the staudio
dsp2000 c-port (around 400 euro in EU):
http://www.staudio.com/products/dsp2000.html
Many thanks!!
HTH ciao
PS: I've taken current prices from http://www.thomann.de , with italian tax
rates applied.
--
Emiliano Grilli
Linux user #209089
http://www.emillo.net
8:18 p.m.
New subject: ReRe: [linux-audio-user] Demudi looking good, soundcard advice?
I was looking also for a sound card for audio, well supported in Linux
(specially under Demudi),
so I really apreciated your comments.
However I've got some more questions which I state below:
Emiliano Grilli wrote:
giovedì, 14 ottobre 2004 alle 12:47:25, Alejandro Lopez
ha scritto:
I must say first that I'm an ignorant about technical sound issues (but
I have some knowledge about electronics and spectral analysis so I
should be able to learn it some day...). This explains the nonesenses
and atrocities that I may have written below....
For my case, I guess that I should try Delta 44 as I don't use digital I/O.
Now I'm ""working"" with a Creative Audigy card and I want to buy
a new
one basically because Audigy doesn't allow realtime monitoring through
jack (the latency is at least 45ms and for me is too much) and because I
want to have a good dynamic response to record my acoustic guitar (now
it saturates the input or I must record at a low volume with a lot of
noise).
This could be a good option for what I'm searching for? Should I buy any
other external hardware to record acoustic guitar without saturating the
input? I'm always affraid of external mixers or amplifiers as they are
very expensive and add noise to my signal. Anyone can help me destroy
this myth?
[for the electric guitar I currently use an expression pedal which
outputs "line level" -> it goes through a Red Box Pro (DI) -> I connect
it to the "mic input" but for the acoustic guitar I only have a mic
output and I cannot go through the red box...]
And finally, 24 bits are enough?I guess it may influence in the range of
different volumes that you can record (-> to solve the saturation
problems with my records of acoustic guitar)
great thanks in advance!
The only other thing is I may need to buy a decent
soundcard for this
PC. It should have a GM synth (nothing special since I guess I'll be
using soft synths anyway but I don't want to run a synth just to write
a couple of arrangements), one stereo output and one stereo input both
with good overall audio quality. Seemingly, the current trend is
towards either USB 2.0, firewire or PCI. A colleague has just told me
that USB 2.0 is supported by the Linux kernel starting from the latest
version (2.6 I think?) only. Since music distributions are based on
other distributions, chances are that they now run the 2.4 kernel or
maybe older. Does that make sense or am I talking complete b*ll*cks?
Also, this friend has heard about drops happening with audio over USB,
but apparently this was on a Mac and the USB device was a hard disk
rather than a soundcard. Still, he seems to think that USB 2.0 is not
as good option as firewire for audio. (Which reminds me of SCSI vs IDE
drives for audio a few years back, yes SCSI was the serious option for
a couple of years but it was an 80% more expensive as well, and shortly
afterwards IDE started to go "fast enough" and cheaper.) Is firewire
better? Is it more expensive? Also, how does it compare to PCI? Lastly,
if any of you has bought a soundcard (recently so the card is still in
production) which is reasonably similar to what I need (wouldn't mind
if it's slightly better, say 4 mono inputs and 4 mono outputs or
something) and has succeed with having it running under a Linux based
music studio, I'd be grateful if you drop a line.
As far as I know firewire based audio cards still aren't supported by ALSA,
and USB devices aren't that good, especially with jack (a sound server
which you probably *want* to run ;)
Also onboard synths are difficult to find nowadays on pro or semi-pro
hardware, for this is better to stick to an hw external expander or a
soft-synth like qsynth or timidity.
Among PCI cards, one of the best value for price is IMHO the m-audio
audiophile 24/96, which in europe you can find at around 100 eur. It is a
pure stereo card based on the well supported envy24 chip, it has s/pdif
I/O, analog I/O and MIDI I/O :
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496-main.html
I don't owe one, but I have recommended it to a pair of friends and they
seem to have liked it :)
As for 4 I/O, the only one I know is the m-audio delta 44 (around 155 euro
in europe, but *without* s/pdif and MIDI):
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta44-main.html
the delta 66 is the same as the 44 but with s/pdif (~ 190 euro).
Then, the cheapest (of which I'm aware of) 8 I/O interface is the staudio
dsp2000 c-port (around 400 euro in EU):
http://www.staudio.com/products/dsp2000.html
9:06 p.m.
New subject: ReRe: [linux-audio-user] Demudi looking good, soundcard advice?
venerdì, 15 ottobre 2004 alle 00:01:21, MarC ha scritto:
I was looking also for a sound card for audio, well
supported in Linux
(specially under Demudi),
so I really apreciated your comments.
However I've got some more questions which I state below:
(cut)
I must say first that I'm an ignorant about
technical sound issues (but
I have some knowledge about electronics and spectral analysis so I
should be able to learn it some day...). This explains the nonesenses
and atrocities that I may have written below....
For my case, I guess that I should try Delta 44 as I don't use digital
I/O.
I would choose that only if I really needed 4 inputs and 4 outputs usable
at the same time, otherwise I would check the audiophile.
Consider also that with a multi I/O card you want to have a mixer with
direct outputs per channel or at least inserts or groups (eg a way to route
4 indipendent audio channels from the mixer) - and this is a feature that
will rise the price of the mixer...
Now I'm ""working"" with a
Creative Audigy card and I want to buy a new
one basically because Audigy doesn't allow realtime monitoring through
jack (the latency is at least 45ms and for me is too much) and because
I want to have a good dynamic response to record my acoustic guitar
(now it saturates the input or I must record at a low volume with a lot
of noise).
Very strange that you cannot achieve better performance... I don't know the
audigy, but with a crappy sb128 on athlon 800 w 256Mb ram I can get
with "reasonably few" xruns to 23 ms and even to 11 (i speak of the values
reported by qjackctl) - I suspect that your problem comes from not having
an external mixer for conveniently routing of inputs and outputs and for
monitoring what you are playing.
Could also be a problem of a not enough powerful pc?
The cards I mentioned have all a "direct monitoring" feature, that will
bypass the software, so in this they are better... but you definately need
a mixer to enjoy these cards.
I would for now try to exploit the audigy (I'm sure it can do better), and
buy the mixer in first place, then the soundcard.
This could be a good option for what I'm searching
for? Should I buy
any other external hardware to record acoustic guitar without
saturating the input? I'm always affraid of external mixers or
amplifiers as they are very expensive and add noise to my signal.
Anyone can help me destroy this myth?
There are micro mixers (behringer for example) with 6 channels (2 with
phantom power) starting around 75 euro, as usual, the more you can spend,
the better the result (good mixers are makie and soundcraft, for example) -
but those micro mixers are handy and not very expensive for what they offer.
[for the electric guitar I currently use an expression
pedal which
outputs "line level" -> it goes through a Red Box Pro (DI) -> I connect
it to the "mic input" but for the acoustic guitar I only have a mic
output and I cannot go through the red box...]
I wouldn't connect anything than a mic to the "mic input", instead use the
"line input", you should get better results with line level signals (which
I suppose is what is coming from your guitars).
The best you can do is a condenser microphone (samson are cheap) to record
the acoustic guitar "thru the air" (here enters the pc noise, too, if you
are in the same room ;).
And finally, 24 bits are enough?I guess it may
influence in the range
of different volumes that you can record (-> to solve the saturation
problems with my records of acoustic guitar)
It's good (I often use 16 bit, because I don't do too much editing and for
distributing sounds you always have to resample to 16 bit)
Consider that with 16 bit you get 65536 possible values, with 24 you get
16777216 for each sample - so is really best, but a bit unpratical -
especially in home productions...
Having more "bits" if I understand correctly helps you when you do lots of
transformations to the sound, where with less bits you get a greater loss
of information (but here I can be wrong)
great thanks in advance!
HTH ciao
--
Emiliano Grilli
Linux user #209089
http://www.emillo.net
15 Oct
15 Oct
4:26 p.m.
New subject: ReRe: [linux-audio-user] Demudi looking good, soundcard advice? (tweaking jack?)
Emiliano Grilli wrote:
it's not a problem of the pc: 2.6Ghz, 512Mb ram
it's a problem of *me* configuring it... :(
as Free knows, I already suspected that I had some problems with my jack
configuration so this comments are the definite proof of it.
Indeed, I *could* configure qjackctl with a latency of 23ms(periods: 2,
frames: 512 ): but I when I used Ardour I got some problems like the
sound getting cut sometimes, it hanged often, strange inicialization
errors, etc.
Also I though that I shouldn't allow any "xrun" and I disabled "Soft
Mode". Now I see I "must" allow "xruns" but what criteria do I
follow?
how much "xruns" can be allowed?
And finally, to tweak jack configuration, I ignore if it can be useful
to change other parameters.
Now I only play with "periods" and "frames", and I don't know the
exact
influence of the parameters: "Start Delay"(why jack has an initial
delay?) and "Timeout"(of what? it sounds the same than latency...). I
didn't found docs about jack about these issues... Does anybody know?
Should I try the jackit user list or it is too technical?
If there isn't documents on these questions, when I'll finish, I'll try
to write it down and make a "beginner's" doc.
Also I think that it should be a place where the people could post their
experiences in different sound cards in linux and their jack
configurations under different environments. This should make our life
easier...
I hope it will have some directivity (at leat 180 degrees) to avoid the
noise of the PC...
I'm going to take a look at the "samson".
fine, as I see dynamical range is an affair of the sound card input.
Cheers.
venerdì, 15 ottobre 2004 alle 00:01:21, MarC ha
scritto:
I take notes of it. I though I could do without the mixer and have
multiple input ( useful for some elemental drums recording or parallel
processed realtime voice+guitar). But as I see, as I don't run on a good
budget and what I need is to record guitar and voice (which can be done
one after the other), I prefer to record one track in good quality in
spite of recording 4 karaokes at the same time...
I took a look to the "Midiman/M-Audio Audiophile 2496" and seems
perfect for me.
(if anybody else is interested, I found a good review in
http://www.digit-life.com/articles/maudioaudiophile/)
Thank you. Anyway, as you said I'm going to first learn how to tweak
jack for my Audigy and get a mixer.
I was looking also for a sound card for audio,
well supported in Linux
(specially under Demudi),
so I really apreciated your comments.
However I've got some more questions which I state below:
(cut)
I must say first that I'm an ignorant about
technical sound issues (but
I have some knowledge about electronics and spectral analysis so I
should be able to learn it some day...). This explains the nonesenses
and atrocities that I may have written below....
For my case, I guess that I should try Delta 44 as I don't use digital
I/O.
I would choose that only if I really needed 4 inputs and 4 outputs usable
at the same time, otherwise I would check the audiophile.
Consider also that with a multi I/O card you want to have a mixer with
direct outputs per channel or at least inserts or groups (eg a way to route
4 indipendent audio channels from the mixer) - and this is a feature that
will rise the price of the mixer...
Now I'm
""working"" with a Creative Audigy card and I want to buy a new
one basically because Audigy doesn't allow realtime monitoring through
jack (the latency is at least 45ms and for me is too much) and because
I want to have a good dynamic response to record my acoustic guitar
(now it saturates the input or I must record at a low volume with a lot
of noise).
Very strange that you cannot achieve better performance... I don't know the
audigy, but with a crappy sb128 on athlon 800 w 256Mb ram I can get
with "reasonably few" xruns to 23 ms and even to 11 (i speak of the values
reported by qjackctl) - I suspect that your problem comes from not having
an external mixer for conveniently routing of inputs and outputs and for
monitoring what you are playing.
Could also be a problem of a not enough powerful pc?
The cards I mentioned have all a "direct
monitoring" feature, that will
bypass the software, so in this they are better... but you definately need
a mixer to enjoy these cards.
I would for now try to exploit the audigy (I'm sure it can do better), and
buy the mixer in first place, then the soundcard.
ok. again, great thanks.
This could be a good option for what I'm
searching for? Should I buy
any other external hardware to record acoustic guitar without
saturating the input? I'm always affraid of external mixers or
amplifiers as they are very expensive and add noise to my signal.
Anyone can help me destroy this myth?
There are micro mixers (behringer for example) with 6 channels (2 with
phantom power) starting around 75 euro, as usual, the more you can spend,
the better the result (good mixers are makie and soundcraft, for example) -
but those micro mixers are handy and not very expensive for what they offer.
[for the
electric guitar I currently use an expression pedal which
outputs "line level" -> it goes through a Red Box Pro (DI) -> I connect
it to the "mic input" but for the acoustic guitar I only have a mic
output and I cannot go through the red box...]
I wouldn't connect anything than a mic to the "mic input", instead use the
"line input", you should get better results with line level signals (which
I suppose is what is coming from your guitars).
The best you can do is a condenser microphone (samson are cheap) to record
the acoustic guitar "thru the air" (here enters the pc noise, too, if you
are in the same room ;).
And finally, 24
bits are enough?I guess it may influence in the range
of different volumes that you can record (-> to solve the saturation
problems with my records of acoustic guitar)
It's good (I often use 16 bit, because I don't do too much editing and for
distributing sounds you always have to resample to 16 bit)
Consider that with 16 bit you get 65536 possible values, with 24 you get
16777216 for each sample - so is really best, but a bit unpratical -
especially in home productions...
Having more "bits" if I understand correctly helps you when you do lots of
transformations to the sound, where with less bits you get a greater loss
of information (but here I can be wrong)
great thanks in advance!
HTH ciao
16 Oct
16 Oct
2:15 p.m.
New subject: ReRe: [linux-audio-user] Demudi looking good, soundcard advice? (tweaking jack?)
Last Friday 15 October 2004 21:08, MarC was like:
it's not a problem of the pc: 2.6Ghz, 512Mb ram
it's a problem of *me* configuring it... :(
as Free knows, I already suspected that I had some problems with my jack
configuration so this comments are the definite proof of it.
Indeed, I *could* configure qjackctl with a latency of 23ms(periods: 2,
frames: 512 ): but I when I used Ardour I got some problems like the
sound getting cut sometimes, it hanged often, strange inicialization
errors, etc.
You may want to use a different configuration for different situations. For
multitrack recording, obviously go as low as poss without xruns (256
Frames/Period - x2 works for me on a Celeron 600 + 256M). For dsp and mixing
it's worth allowing a longer period (1024 works for me).
Emiliano Grilli wrote:
>venerdì, 15 ottobre 2004 alle 00:01:21, MarC ha scritto:
[snip]
Now I'm ""working"" with a
Creative Audigy card and I want to buy a new
one basically because Audigy doesn't allow realtime monitoring through
jack (the latency is at least 45ms and for me is too much) and because
I want to have a good dynamic response to record my acoustic guitar
(now it saturates the input or I must record at a low volume with a lot
of noise).
Very strange that you cannot achieve better performance... I don't know
the audigy, but with a crappy sb128 on athlon 800 w 256Mb ram I can get
with "reasonably few" xruns to 23 ms and even to 11 (i speak of the
values reported by qjackctl) - I suspect that your problem comes from not
having an external mixer for conveniently routing of inputs and outputs
and for monitoring what you are playing.
Could also be a problem of a not enough powerful pc? Also I though that I shouldn't allow any
"xrun" and I disabled "Soft
Mode". Now I see I "must" allow "xruns" but what criteria do I
follow?
how much "xruns" can be allowed?
It's not really how much xruns, it's more where they occur. Right in the
middle of an important take is bad. If they only happen when you're messing
about onscreen then you just have to discipline yourself to keep your hands
off the mouse. Really you don't want any [ha!], but having Jack exit every
single time you hit an xrun can be equally annoying.
And finally, to tweak jack configuration, I ignore if
it can be useful
to change other parameters.
Now I only play with "periods" and "frames", and I don't know the
exact
influence of the parameters: "Start Delay"(why jack has an initial
delay?) and "Timeout"(of what? it sounds the same than latency...). I
didn't found docs about jack about these issues... Does anybody know?
Should I try the jackit user list or it is too technical?
I have a start delay of 2 secs and a timeout of 500ms. The former gives Jack
longer to start up - I assume it allows the prefilling of buffers or somesuch
[?]. The latter means it waits longer before giving up. AFIU
If there isn't documents on these questions, when
I'll finish, I'll try
to write it down and make a "beginner's" doc.
Also I think that it should be a place where the people could post their
experiences in different sound cards in linux and their jack
configurations under different environments. This should make our life
easier...
I assume you're familiar with:
http://www.agnula.org/download/demudi/1.2.0-FAQ
http://wiki.agnula.org/ is a good place to start work on additional
information that is needed. It would be brilliant if more people used it ;)
cheers
tim hall
9:15 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour guilty. Audigy's latency good.
Now I'm
""working"" with a Creative Audigy card and I want to buy a new
one basically because Audigy doesn't allow realtime monitoring through
jack (the latency is at least 45ms and for me is too much) and because
I want to have a good dynamic response to record my acoustic guitar
(now it saturates the input or I must record at a low volume with a lot
of noise).
Very strange that you cannot achieve better performance... I don't know
the audigy, but with a crappy sb128 on athlon 800 w 256Mb ram I can get
with "reasonably few" xruns to 23 ms and even to 11 (i speak of the
values reported by qjackctl) - I suspect that your problem comes from not
having an external mixer for conveniently routing of inputs and outputs
and for monitoring what you are playing.
Could also be a problem of a not enough powerful pc?
Also I though that I shouldn't allow any
"xrun" and I disabled "Soft
Mode". Now I see I "must" allow "xruns" but what criteria do I
follow?
how much "xruns" can be allowed?
It's not really how much xruns, it's more where they occur. Right in the
middle of an important take is bad. If they only happen when you're messing
about onscreen then you just have to discipline yourself to keep your hands
off the mouse. Really you don't want any [ha!], but having Jack exit every
single time you hit an xrun can be equally annoying.
And finally, to
tweak jack configuration, I ignore if it can be useful
to change other parameters.
Now I only play with "periods" and "frames", and I don't know the
exact
influence of the parameters: "Start Delay"(why jack has an initial
delay?) and "Timeout"(of what? it sounds the same than latency...). I
didn't found docs about jack about these issues... Does anybody know?
Should I try the jackit user list or it is too technical?
I have a start delay of 2 secs and a timeout of 500ms. The former gives Jack
longer to start up - I assume it allows the prefilling of buffers or somesuch
[?]. The latter means it waits longer before giving up. AFIU
If there
isn't documents on these questions, when I'll finish, I'll try
to write it down and make a "beginner's" doc.
Also I think that it should be a place where the people could post their
experiences in different sound cards in linux and their jack
configurations under different environments. This should make our life
easier...
I assume you're familiar with:
http://www.agnula.org/download/demudi/1.2.0-FAQ
http://wiki.agnula.org/ is a good place to start work on additional
information that is needed. It would be brilliant if more people used it ;)
cheers
tim hall
thanx!
17 Oct
17 Oct
11:16 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour guilty. Audigy's latency good.
Last Sunday 17 October 2004 01:57, MarC was like:
ish
cheers
tim hall
I assume
you're familiar with:
http://www.agnula.org/download/demudi/1.2.0-FAQ
http://wiki.agnula.org/ is a good place to start work on additional
information that is needed. It would be brilliant if more people used it
;)
great. I didn't know that one. It seems to be quit new. isn't it? 
14 Oct
14 Oct
9:12 p.m.
New subject: ReRe: [linux-audio-user] Demudi looking good, soundcard advice?
On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 18:01, MarC wrote:
Now I'm ""working"" with a
Creative Audigy card and I want to buy a new
one basically because Audigy doesn't allow realtime monitoring through
jack (the latency is at least 45ms and for me is too much) and because I
want to have a good dynamic response to record my acoustic guitar (now
it saturates the input or I must record at a low volume with a lot of
noise).
The Audigy does support this. The problem is with jackd. And, you
should be able to get _much_ better than 45 ms latency, sounds like a
configuration issue.
Lee
11:59 a.m.
Alejandro Lopez wrote:
The only other thing is I may need to buy a decent
soundcard for
this PC. It should have a GM synth
There are two supported GM synth chips: OPL4 and Emu10k1. (OPL3 is
supported too but cannot do GM.) The OPL4 was used on ISA cards, so
if you really want an integrated synth, your only choice is a SB Live.
A colleague has just told me that USB 2.0 is supported
by the
Linux kernel starting from the latest version (2.6 I think?) only.
All more or less current versions of both 2.4 and 2.6 support USB 2.0.
HTH
Clemens
7:24 p.m.
Alejandro Lopez wrote:
Chaps,
Just installed Demudi, sorry I can't remember versions, it's some beta
that came out something like 2-3 months ago which was the first to
merge Debian + music studio on the same CD (requiring one installation
only).
instalate la 1.2.0 que acaba de salir
Generally, I would recommend the distribution for an
easy install
(I've not used it yet), I'd like to make a couple of comments in case
anyone is interested.
-My PC won't boot from CD-ROM. By browsing the directory structure, I
kind of guessed I had at least a couple of choices for DOS: booting
from a rawrite2'd floppy or run loadlin. Fair enough, there's a
vmlinuz file there as well as several .bin floppy images. But: loadlin
is not included in the CD image, not it is rawrite2. Not a big deal
for me as I had several other distros handy but not elegant either. In
the same directory where these images reside, there's a little text
file which lists loadlin and rawrite2: should read "loadlin", reads
"lodlin" (in case anyone would like report this for future versions).
no configuraste la bios para arrancar des de CD?
-I was not able to select English language with a
Spanish keyboard
layout (I'm Spanish). You are supposed to select both in one go, the 2
different options in the menu (that you can see if you select back
somewhere in the middle of the process) seem to be related and didn't
work as such distinct options for me.
es un error de configuracion de Agnula. Haz un bug-report en la pagina
www.agnula.org. Yo tb quiero que lo arreglen!
lo puedes arreglar haciendo en la consola:
"xf86cfg -textmode" y configurando el texto
-At one point, I went back and selected Spanish (for everything, that
is), next step was repartitioning my hard disk which is inherently a
dangerous operation. The translation of the partitioning software to
Spanish was so poor (wrong actually) that I was scared to repartition
in Spanish. Went back to English so I could understand what the
software would do with my hard disk but now my keyboard layout doesn't
match. I'm planning installing to a different machine I imported from
Germany, so I'll have the same layout problem (I'd rather not choose
German language to repartition my disk in order to have the keyboard
properly installed).
-From there on, the installation was as smooth as one could have asked
for. All my hardware was detected and installed automagically
including graphics card, monitor, mouse, sound card (ALSA), network
card, modem, CD-ROM.
So generally I'd say it's a very easy to install distribution, and
definitely a huge improvement over the classic "2 installation steps"
approach that all the other music distributions have or used to have.
I'm very pleased with regards to that.
The only other thing is I may need to buy a decent soundcard for this
PC. It should have a GM synth (nothing special since I guess I'll be
using soft synths anyway but I don't want to run a synth just to write
a couple of arrangements), one stereo output and one stereo input both
with good overall audio quality. Seemingly, the current trend is
towards either USB 2.0, firewire or PCI. A colleague has just told me
that USB 2.0 is supported by the Linux kernel starting from the latest
version (2.6 I think?) only. Since music distributions are based on
other distributions, chances are that they now run the 2.4 kernel or
maybe older. Does that make sense or am I talking complete b*ll*cks?
Also, this friend has heard about drops happening with audio over USB,
but apparently this was on a Mac and the USB device was a hard disk
rather than a soundcard. Still, he seems to think that USB 2.0 is not
as good option as firewire for audio. (Which reminds me of SCSI vs IDE
drives for audio a few years back, yes SCSI was the serious option for
a couple of years but it was an 80% more expensive as well, and
shortly afterwards IDE started to go "fast enough" and cheaper.) Is
firewire better? Is it more expensive? Also, how does it compare to
PCI? Lastly, if any of you has bought a soundcard (recently so the
card is still in production) which is reasonably similar to what I
need (wouldn't mind if it's slightly better, say 4 mono inputs and 4
mono outputs or something) and has succeed with having it running
under a Linux based music studio, I'd be grateful if you drop a line.
estoy exactamente en el mismo punto que tu. yo tengo una Creative Audigy
que para grabar es correcta(para maquetas) pero no puedes monitorizar a
tiempo real. tb quiero dar el paso a una targeta mejor y no se por donde
empezar teniendo en cuenta el soporte limitado en Linux.
te agredeceria muchisimo si me comentas lo que descubras cuando hagas
progresos!
saludos des de Barcelona,
MarC
Many thanks!!
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15 Oct
15 Oct
5:32 a.m.
|--==> Alejandro Lopez writes:
AL> -My PC won't boot from CD-ROM. By browsing the directory structure, I kind
AL> of guessed I had at least a couple of choices for DOS: booting from a
AL> rawrite2'd floppy or run loadlin. Fair enough, there's a vmlinuz file
there
AL> as well as several .bin floppy images. But: loadlin is not included in the
AL> CD image, not it is rawrite2. Not a big deal for me as I had several other
AL> distros handy but not elegant either. In the same directory where these
AL> images reside, there's a little text file which lists loadlin and rawrite2:
AL> should read "loadlin", reads "lodlin" (in case anyone would
like report this
AL> for future versions).
Please try the final 1.2.0, all the tools you mention are there.
AL> -I was not able to select English language with a Spanish keyboard layout
AL> (I'm Spanish). You are supposed to select both in one go, the 2 different
AL> options in the menu (that you can see if you select back somewhere in the
AL> middle of the process) seem to be related and didn't work as such distinct
AL> options for me.
This is related with the new Debian installer mechanism, AFAIR if you
press the back button you'll be prompted language and keyboard in
different screens. I'll try to address the problem for the next 1.2.1
AL> -At one point, I went back and selected Spanish (for everything, that is),
AL> next step was repartitioning my hard disk which is inherently a dangerous
AL> operation. The translation of the partitioning software to Spanish was so
AL> poor (wrong actually) that I was scared to repartition in Spanish. Went back
AL> to English so I could understand what the software would do with my hard
AL> disk but now my keyboard layout doesn't match. I'm planning installing to
a
AL> different machine I imported from Germany, so I'll have the same layout
AL> problem (I'd rather not choose German language to repartition my disk in
AL> order to have the keyboard properly installed).
Translations for the Debian installer are still in progress. Please
please please send any suggestion to debian-boot(a)lists.debian.org,
such contribution is very appreciated.
cheers,
free
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