26 Jul
2005
26 Jul
'05
11:12 a.m.
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:20 , james(a)dis-dot-dat.net sent:
must...resist..trying....to...convert...
Gah, sod it. Here goes:
Emacs might be awkward at first. Just like walking might be awkward
when you're used to crawling. That doesn't justify going to work on
your hands and knees.
People get past the learning curve and use Emacs because once they do,
they find that they can do things more quickly and easily than they
can in anything else. Some things are just impossible to do in
Windows-like editors without a lot of hard work - replace-regexp is my
favourite example, and has saved me hours of work. Add to that the
syntax highlighting, indentation awareness, cooperation with make,
latex, javac, whatever, region comment/uncomment, etc., etc., and you
will begin to see why learning Emacs is worth it.
Vi people will say the same kind of things about Vi, but of course,
they only like Vi because they haven't got used to Emacs yet.
And there is one more thing that I love about Emacs that will probably
be seen as a problem by others: I don't know all of it. That's right,
I enjoy my ignorance. I learn new things all the time, and my
"editing experience" is enriched. Please excuse that lapse into
marketing speak.
Notice I have stayed away from calling Emacs the One True Editor.
This isn't because it's not, but because that kind of talk tends to
scare people away.
Emacs is the only religion I need.
Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggghhhhhh! Not again. Oh well, I might as well throw
down too. I started on UNIX with vi (and in response to a way earlier thread,
not all of us started on Windoze - my first system was IBM OS-360, then on to
various others, then UNIX). When I first used vi I was blown away by the power
of the thing. Later I discovered Emacs. I switched. I still use vi if I want
to do something small very quickly (I hate waiting for Xemacs start up). If I'm
doing serious coding I use Xemacs just because it is much, much more powerful.
So, the old saw about people staying with what they know isn't always true. I
just try to use the right tool for the job. Oh, I also use ed and sed ;-)
Jan
26 Jul
26 Jul
11:18 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Usability vs Intuitability in Ardour
eviltwin69(a)cableone.net wrote:
Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggghhhhhh! Not again. Oh
well, I might as well throw
down too. I started on UNIX with vi (and in response to a way earlier thread,
not all of us started on Windoze - my first system was IBM OS-360, then on to
various others, then UNIX). When I first used vi I was blown away by the power
of the thing. Later I discovered Emacs. I switched. I still use vi if I want
to do something small very quickly (I hate waiting for Xemacs start up). If I'm
doing serious coding I use Xemacs just because it is much, much more powerful.
So, the old saw about people staying with what they know isn't always true. I
just try to use the right tool for the job. Oh, I also use ed and sed ;-)
Real Programmers use cat...
-- Brett
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12:38 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Usability vs Intuitability in Ardour
el Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:17:53 -0400
Brett McCoy <idragosani(a)chapelperilous.net> escribió:
Real Programmers use cat...
maybe, yes. but REAL-REAL Programmers punch ones and zeros directly on the
surface of the hard disk with the tip of a magnetized needle. or something.
but i still don't know what REAL-REAL-REAL-REAL Programmers use. anyone?
1 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Usability vs Intuitability in Ardour
On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 11:37:15AM -0300, luis jure wrote:
The
story of Mel:
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/mel.html
Enjoy,
Peter
Real
Programmers use cat...
maybe, yes. but REAL-REAL Programmers punch ones and zeros directly on the
surface of the hard disk with the tip of a magnetized needle. or something.
but i still don't know what REAL-REAL-REAL-REAL Programmers use. anyone? 
1 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Usability vs Intuitability in Ardour
luis jure wrote:
el Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:17:53 -0400
Brett McCoy <idragosani(a)chapelperilous.net> escribió:
That's easy. *Real* programmers use variations in the earth's magnetic
field to alter the bits on the hard disc.
I've heard that there are some l33t hackers out there who remagnetise
the disc using some kind of microscopic telekinesis. In real time. But
I've never met one.
Michael
Real Programmers use cat...
maybe, yes. but REAL-REAL Programmers punch ones and zeros directly on the
surface of the hard disk with the tip of a magnetized needle. or something.
but i still don't know what REAL-REAL-REAL-REAL Programmers use. anyone?
12:18 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Usability vs Intuitability in Ardour
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 06:29 -0700, eviltwin69(a)cableone.net wrote:
Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggghhhhhh! Not again. Oh
well, I might as well throw
down too. I started on UNIX with vi (and in response to a way earlier thread,
not all of us started on Windoze - my first system was IBM OS-360, then on to
various others, then UNIX). When I first used vi I was blown away by the power
of the thing. Later I discovered Emacs. I switched. I still use vi if I want
to do something small very quickly (I hate waiting for Xemacs start up). If I'm
doing serious coding I use Xemacs just because it is much, much more powerful.
So, the old saw about people staying with what they know isn't always true. I
just try to use the right tool for the job. Oh, I also use ed and sed ;-)
I started off with VI cuz it was small and L337. Then I "graduated" to
emacs because it was all-powerful and L337. And now I can't wait for
anjuta2 to stabilize. IMHO, regardless of what emacs may be capable of
doing, what it actually does is not exactly earth shaking.
"Project Management"
M-x compile
C-x `
M-x gdb
C-x 4 a
Bow before the "mighty" emacs IDE. And don't tell me about speedbar
(it's weak) or CEDT (they don't collectively work).
"Syntax Highlighting and Indentation"
I'll grant you that the C mode is the absolute best there is, hands
down. But, that's all I'll grant you. Every other mode I've used has
sucked, resulting in varying degrees of frustration. My once normal
human skull is now horribly disfigured from headbutting the floor as a
result of the fit of rage that the PHP mode threw me into.
From this, I deduce that there isn't anything about
the design of emacs
that makes it inherently more adept at handling different file
formats
than any other syntax-highlighter-and-indenter.
"Extensible"
LISP. Friggin' lisp. Whatever. I fail to see what great and wonderful
things this great and wonderful language has enabled Emacs to accomplish
that would otherwise be an exercise in madness. Regexp find and
replace? Eh heh.
Man, I'll save my rage for a proper blog rant on this. Suffice it to
say, I drank the koolaid for years. I got my hard copy of the manual
--- read it cover to cover. The reference card is sitting right in
front me. I run a hand coded .emacs file. I'm probably familiar with
roughly 98% of all the concepts in emacs, and I know more keybindings
than ought to be humanly possibly. I use to read mail, news, and
webpages in emacs. It was my shell. It was my calendar. It was my
address book. I even suffered through learning ELISP.
And what do I have to show for it? I'm like a retarded monkey when I
try to interact with the rest of my GNOME desktop. You know, the one
with the nice widget set, anti-aliased fonts, and an uncluttered UI.
This is also the GNOME that is much more "modal" than emacs --- I just
click on "applications" and select a program to perform whatever task
I'm trying to accomplish.
One true editor... whatever. This is an idea who's time has long since
passed. I think Emacs has achieved anachronism status --- and speaking
only for myself, I'm nothing short of elated to move on.
Oh, yeah, and VI is patent schizophrenic insanity. This is the word of
the lord. Don't question it.
Peace out,
-Pete "I Love GEdit" Bessman
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