11 Apr
2005
11 Apr
'05
10:58 p.m.
I'm trying to write a drum part in hydrogen, but it needs to be in 3/4
time. I see no way to do that in version 0.9.1. The forums at
www.hydrogen-music.org recommend changin the "pattern length" to
achieve deifferent time signatures, but doing so doesn't have any
affect.
Even if that did work, I would have to triple my tempo, right? The
tempo control, besides disallowing manual entry and requiring you to
use the spin button (yuck), only goes up to 300. Since the song is in
112, I would need it to go up to 336, right? Or do I misunderstand
what patttern length means?
Any hydrogen experts out there?
12 Apr
12 Apr
12:27 a.m.
On Apr 11, 2005 7:58 PM, Paul Coccoli <pcoccoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm trying to write a drum part in hydrogen, but
it needs to be in 3/4
time. I see no way to do that in version 0.9.1. The forums at
www.hydrogen-music.org recommend changin the "pattern length" to
achieve deifferent time signatures, but doing so doesn't have any
affect.
After selecting the patern you are working on, click on the right hand
drop down in the patern editor pane. Select 6. This should put you
in 3/4 time. You will see the 4th beat greyed out and if you play the
pattern it won't play that beat...you'll see.
Even if that did work, I would have to triple my tempo, right?
No. Your BPM is your BPM whether there are 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, or
whatever beats per measure.
The
tempo control, besides disallowing manual entry and
requiring you to
use the spin button (yuck), only goes up to 300. Since the song is in
112, I would need it to go up to 336, right? Or do I misunderstand
what patttern length means?
There is some sort of misunderstanding going on.
12:42 a.m.
On Apr 11, 2005 9:27 PM, Noah Roberts <roberts.noah(a)gmail.com> wrote:
No. Your BPM is your BPM whether there are 2, 3, 4,
6, 8, 12, or
whatever beats per measure.
BTW, BPM is Beat Per Minute. Just realized not knowing that would add
a great deal to your confusion if in fact you don't know.
11:01 a.m.
On Apr 12, 2005 12:27 AM, Noah Roberts <roberts.noah(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I must be misunderstanding pattern length, but you guys are
misunderstanding my post as well. I would clarify now, but I'm not at
that machine right now.
I think perhaps the version of hydrogen I'm using might be having some
kind of problem, since the pattern length dropdown doesn't actually
change the pattern length...
On Apr 11, 2005 7:58 PM, Paul Coccoli
<pcoccoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Huh? A pattern length of 6 means 3/4 time? Why?
I'm trying to write a drum part in hydrogen,
but it needs to be in 3/4
time. I see no way to do that in version 0.9.1. The forums at
www.hydrogen-music.org recommend changin the "pattern length" to
achieve deifferent time signatures, but doing so doesn't have any
affect.
After selecting the patern you are working on, click on the right hand
drop down in the patern editor pane. Select 6. This should put you
in 3/4 time. You will see the 4th beat greyed out and if you play the
pattern it won't play that beat...you'll see.
> Even if that
did work, I would have to triple my tempo, right?
No. Your BPM is your BPM whether there are 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, or
whatever beats per measure.
The
tempo control, besides disallowing manual entry
and requiring you to
use the spin button (yuck), only goes up to 300. Since the song is in
112, I would need it to go up to 336, right? Or do I misunderstand
what patttern length means?
There is some sort of misunderstanding going on.
1 a.m.
I'm trying to write a drum part in hydrogen, but
it needs to be in 3/4
time. I see no way to do that in version 0.9.1. The forums at
www.hydrogen-music.org recommend changin the "pattern length" to
achieve deifferent time signatures, but doing so doesn't have any
affect.
I may be over simplifying your question, and I'm not really a hydrogen
expert but the thing is, if your pattern length is, say, three beats long,
it's not gonna sound any different, say, when the metronome's clicking,
because that's just click click click click - what defines any time
signature in music in general is accenting - so for it to end up sounding
3/4, I'd add some notes in there - perhaps just on the quarter notes, and
make the first one a little louder so instead of
one two three
you've got
ONE two three
ONE two three
Even if that did work, I would have to triple my
tempo, right? The
no that's just crazy talk :)
10:58 a.m.
On Apr 11, 2005 11:58 PM, Aaron Trumm <aaron(a)nquit.com> wrote:
Well, it was late and I was confused...but it's still not crazy talk.
What I meant was this: the default pattern length value is 1, which
gives me a pattern with 4 beats. So I inferred that setting the
pattern length to 3 would give me 12 beats, which I could then use to
get a single 3/4 time pattern.
The thing is, I understand what BPM means and I understand time
signatures since I've been playing string instruments for (oh my god)
20 years now. What I don't understand is hydrogen. Changing the
pattern length dropdown did NOTHING. No matter what I set it to, I
got a single 4/4 count measure. Hence the confusion.
I was kinda tired, but I'm pretty sure that's what was happening.
I'll try again tonight.
I'm trying
to write a drum part in hydrogen, but it needs to be in 3/4
time. I see no way to do that in version 0.9.1. The forums at
www.hydrogen-music.org recommend changin the "pattern length" to
achieve deifferent time signatures, but doing so doesn't have any
affect.
I may be over simplifying your question, and I'm not really a hydrogen
expert but the thing is, if your pattern length is, say, three beats long,
it's not gonna sound any different, say, when the metronome's clicking,
because that's just click click click click - what defines any time
signature in music in general is accenting - so for it to end up sounding
3/4, I'd add some notes in there - perhaps just on the quarter notes, and
make the first one a little louder so instead of
one two three
you've got
ONE two three
ONE two three
Even if that did work, I would have to triple my
tempo, right? The
no that's just crazy talk :)
11:24 a.m.
On Apr 12, 2005 7:58 AM, Paul Coccoli <pcoccoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Well, it was late and I was confused...but it's
still not crazy talk.
What I meant was this: the default pattern length value is 1, which
gives me a pattern with 4 beats. So I inferred that setting the
pattern length to 3 would give me 12 beats, which I could then use to
get a single 3/4 time pattern.
Again, use the drop down on the right.
6:32 p.m.
On 4/12/05, Noah Roberts <roberts.noah(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 12, 2005 7:58 AM, Paul Coccoli
<pcoccoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Again, the drop down on the right does nothing. I can set it to
anything from 1 to 8; the pattern is always one 4/4 measure.
Furthermore, the help says this:
"The combobox "Grid Resolution" will modify the resolution so to help
adding notes: it's possible to set grid for 4,8, 16, 32, 64 beats per
bar and their 'three beats' bars indicated as 4T, 8T, 16T and 32T. You
can also set the number of bars actually played by the "pattern size"
menu on the right (1 to 8)."
I can't quite decipher this. The way it reads, I would need to use
the drop down on the LEFT (the Grid Resolution) to get 3/4 time (or a
"three beats" bar, using their language).
Well, it was late and I was confused...but
it's still not crazy talk.
What I meant was this: the default pattern length value is 1, which
gives me a pattern with 4 beats. So I inferred that setting the
pattern length to 3 would give me 12 beats, which I could then use to
get a single 3/4 time pattern.
Again, use the drop down on the right.
7:11 p.m.
On 4/12/05, Paul Coccoli <pcoccoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/12/05, Noah Roberts
<roberts.noah(a)gmail.com> wrote:
If you choose 6 you will only have 3 beats per measure. The 4th beat
will be greyed out. If you choose 4 there will be 2 beats per
measure, the 3rd and 4th will be greyed out. If you choose 2 there
will be 1 beat per measure, the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th will be greyed out.
If you play the pattern the greyed out beats are not played.
On Apr 12, 2005 7:58 AM, Paul Coccoli
<pcoccoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Again, the drop down on the right does nothing. I can set it to
anything from 1 to 8; the pattern is always one 4/4 measure. Well, it was late and I was confused...but
it's still not crazy talk.
What I meant was this: the default pattern length value is 1, which
gives me a pattern with 4 beats. So I inferred that setting the
pattern length to 3 would give me 12 beats, which I could then use to
get a single 3/4 time pattern.
Again, use the drop down on the right.
Furthermore, the help says this:
"The combobox "Grid Resolution" will modify the resolution so to help
adding notes: it's possible to set grid for 4,8, 16, 32, 64 beats per
bar and their 'three beats' bars indicated as 4T, 8T, 16T and 32T. You
can also set the number of bars actually played by the "pattern size"
menu on the right (1 to 8)."
I can't quite decipher this. The way it reads, I would need to use
the drop down on the LEFT (the Grid Resolution) to get 3/4 time (or a
"three beats" bar, using their language).
That creates the note separation. 4 means quarter notes, 8 is eighth
notes, etc. 4T is quarter note triplets, 8T is eighth note triplets,
etc...
If that doesn't help you then you could try using rosegarden and
editing midi drum tracks.
10:46 p.m.
On 4/12/05, Noah Roberts <roberts.noah(a)gmail.com> wrote:
[SNIP]
If that doesn't help you then you could try using
rosegarden and
editing midi drum tracks.
I think this is the problem: after selecting File/New, I see this in
the terminal where I started hydrogen:
[INFO] SongReader [readSong]
/usr/share/hydrogen/data/DefaultSong.h2song
[WARNING] SongReader [readSong] Trying to load a song
created with a different version of hydrogen.
[WARNING] SongReader [readSong] Song
[/usr/share/hydrogen/data/DefaultSong.h2song] saved with version 0.9.0
After that, the pattern length drop down doesn't function; it does not
change the pattern length. If I try it before doing anything else, it
does work as you describe.
The documentation is confusing because to me, a "bar" is a measure.
In my mind, 1 bar = 1 measure = 1 pattern. In hydrogen, a bar is a
beat, so 1 measure in 3/4 time = 3 bars.
Perhaps I should file a bug report about the non-functioning drop down...
13 Apr
13 Apr
5:49 a.m.
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:46:49 -0400
Paul Coccoli <pcoccoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
After that, the pattern length drop down doesn't
function; it does not
change the pattern length. If I try it before doing anything else, it
does work as you describe.
[snip]
Perhaps I should file a bug report about the
non-functioning drop down...
what version of hydrogen are you using? maybe try a newer one?
Flo
--
Palimm Palimm!
http://affenbande.org/~tapas/
10:51 a.m.
On 4/13/05, Florian Schmidt <mista.tapas(a)gmx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:46:49 -0400
Paul Coccoli <pcoccoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I believe it's 0.9.1-1 from Planet CCRMA. It's a RH9 system.
According to http://www.hydrogen-music.org/?p=download that's the
latest stable version.
OT: Is the mailing list software supposed to prefix the subject line
with [linux-audio-user] or am I? I should know that by now...
After that, the pattern length drop down
doesn't function; it does not
change the pattern length. If I try it before doing anything else, it
does work as you describe.
[snip]
Perhaps I should file a bug report about the
non-functioning drop down...
what version of hydrogen are you using? maybe try a newer one?
Flo
--
Palimm Palimm!
http://affenbande.org/~tapas/
11:18 a.m.
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On 4/13/05, Paul Coccoli <pcoccoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
OT: Is the mailing list software supposed to prefix
the subject line
with [linux-audio-user] or am I? I should know that by now...
I always let the mailing list software deal with that. I have never
been in a list where it didn't. Besides, most people use filters
based on the email address so it doesn't really matter.
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