From: linux-audio-user-request(a)lists.linuxaudio.org &lt;linux-audio-user-request(a)lists.linuxaudio.org&gt; Subject: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 19, Issue 9 To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 6:00 PM Send Linux-audio-user mailing list submissions to linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to linux-audio-user-request(a)lists.linuxaudio.org You can reach the person managing the list at linux-audio-user-owner(a)lists.linuxaudio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Linux-audio-user digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Bob van der Poel) 2. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Grammostola Rosea) 3. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Grammostola Rosea) 4. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (svoufff at free) 5. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Stephen Doonan) 6. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (David Baron) 7. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Bob van der Poel) 8. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Bob van der Poel) 9. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Philippe Hezaine) 10. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Atte Andr? Jensen) 11. Re: Drum samples (Grammostola Rosea) 12. Re: Drum samples (Edgar Aichinger) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:17:30 -0700 From: Bob van der Poel &lt;bob(a)mellowood.ca&gt; Subject: Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess To: Atte Andr? Jensen &lt;atte.jensen(a)gmail.com&gt; Cc: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org Message-ID: &lt;48C40CAA.7010305(a)mellowood.ca&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: my score with MUP. lilypond? I'll probably get flamed by the lilypond guys ... but: I did spend some time with a number of products in 2004 and wrote this review: http://mellowood.ca/mup/mup-review.html I know things have changed since then. But, I figure that so long as something works I'll continue to use it :) Biggest concerns for me: - I find the syntax of mup much easier. I am quick to point out that this might just be a case of "what one knows". MUP is certainly less verbose. - mup handles transposition very well. I'm not sure if lily does now (it didn't last time I checked). It is quite possible that the final output from a lily score may be better. But to my eyes the stuff I get from mup is very good. These days I don't do band scores anymore with multiple parts, etc. Mostly I do lead sheets which I need to print in various keys (for Bb, Eb, etc). I've got an automated tool chain for this and can crank out a custom score from a fakebook with lyrics, melody and chord names in 20 to 40 minutes. My biggest sadness with mup is that the authors have NOT decided to open source the product. Certainly, that is their right and I'll not argue that they must or should. They do regular updates and respond to user requests and questions. But, one has to wonder if the product would develop more quickly if more folk were able to hack at it. Hope this helps. -- **** Listen to my CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:58:52 +0200 From: Grammostola Rosea &lt;rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com&gt; Subject: Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess Cc: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org Message-ID: &lt;48C4246C.4020701(a)gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Bob van der Poel wrote: write my score with MUP. over lilypond? but: 2004 and wrote this that so long as to point out that knows". MUP is certainly less sure if lily does now score may be very good. multiple parts, etc. various keys (for Bb, this and can crank out a chord names in 20 NOT decided to open I'll not argue respond to user product would it. I did know the existence of MUP, but I did not consider to use it.... The notation apps on linux seems to be more orientated towards Lilypond (even for tablature: tuxguitar). So my choice was not difficult and at the end (with all the notation apps (gui's) on linux in mind) I think Lilypond will be the easiest solution... ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:28:56 +0200 From: Grammostola Rosea &lt;rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com&gt; Subject: Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org Message-ID: &lt;48C42B78.8080804(a)gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Grammostola Rosea wrote: I write my score with MUP. mup over lilypond? ... but: 2004 and wrote this figure that so long as quick to point out that knows". MUP is certainly less not sure if lily does now lily score may be very good. multiple parts, etc. various keys (for Bb, this and can crank out a and chord names in 20 have NOT decided to open and I'll not argue and respond to user the product would hack at it. consider to use it.... towards Lilypond difficult and at linux in mind) I think > Lilypond will be the easiest solution... > Edit: another reason to learn lilypond is the fact that it is able to handle notation, drum notation and tablature. I think there is no notation editor on linux (with gui) which can do that. So my advice, learn lilypond with the help of lilypondtool and lilykde and when you can do with it what you want to do, consider to use one of the available gui's for it... or not... If you first work all the time with one of the gui's, it will be hard to edit something fast you wasn't able to do with you gui without some basic knowledge of lilypond in my opinion... So stay 'sick' home for a week and make sure you are able to work with lilypond at the end of that week , and I promise you, you will feel much better ;) For the dutch people, I found a nice tutorial/ handleiding by the maker of lilykde: http://www.wilbertberendsen.nl/cursus_lilypond ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:55:33 +0400 From: svoufff at free &lt;svoufff(a)free.fr&gt; Subject: Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess To: Atte Andr? Jensen &lt;atte.jensen(a)gmail.com&gt;om>, linux-audio-user &lt;linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org&gt; Message-ID: <1220817333.23594.75.camel@ours> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yes i work on Sibelius almost everyday along linuxsampler to hear my scores. I'm on Ubuntu Hardy with RT kernel 2.6.24-19-rt. Sibelius 4.1.5 Wine 1.0 LS 5.1 I installed Sibelius as usual then i trhrown the file gdiplus.dll in ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32 I also put in that folder the files mfc42.dll, msvcirt.dll and msvcp60.dll but don't recall if that was really for sibelius or another win-app I installed the msttcorefonts package On wine config, audio section, i had to choose only alsa driver. Then this is time to start everything : -start jack -start LS and load some sounds, connect LS in jack if it's not done automatically -start Sibelius.Go to Play/Playback & Input Devices.In front of the device you wanna use you have a yes/no (the "use" column).Single-click or double -click or triple-click...til you have a "yes".You won't have to do it again if you start the device (LS in my case) before Sibelius. Everything should be ready.Here's a webpage at winehq that helped me : http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=8340 98% is working, it's a great app. Otherwise, sometimes its's slow and consumes much CPU (graphic refresh problem probably). Texts objects are tricky to point at.That's THE annoying thing. Texts of more than one line are not displayed properly.That unfortunately include time signatures.If you work on 4/4 you can choose C instead but for other metrics you have to hide it then write a the numbers with normal text style. Well that's all i think.Hope you can get it running. Le dimanche 07 septembre 2008 ? 14:11 +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen a ?crit : here. > A sidestep: > Has anyone been able to run sibelius under linux? If so, what steps did > you have to follow? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:05:51 -0600 From: Stephen Doonan &lt;stephen.doonan(a)gmail.com&gt; Subject: Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess Cc: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org Message-ID: &lt;48C4341F.2020302(a)gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Grammostola Rosea wrote: that it is able to there is no I love LilyPond and notated several piano pieces with it. It is very logical, very full-featured, and does produce beautiful scores. However, I stopped trying to notate with LilyPond because of the absence of one single feature-- In piano music and music for other polyphonic instruments, it is common, in order to create a score that is less cluttered and easy to read, to split a polyphonic voice (a voice that can contain chords instead of a single note) into two or more voices, and to combine two or more voices into a single voice. Sometimes this addition or subtraction of voices is sudden and may last only a very brief time--perhaps not even a full measure. The problem with this and LilyPond has to do with ties (tied notes). When I used LilyPond (a couple years ago) it was very difficult and required rather complex coding to make even a single tie extend from one voice to another. When the complexity of voices that merge and split at arbitrary times was added, it was virtually impossible to write LilyPond code that would add the necessary ties between the identical notes in other voices. This one thing has been disappointing enough to me during these last couple years to keep me away from LilyPond, although I have checked its development from time to time. I volunteered to help sponsor (fund the programming of) this feature several times, but neither other users nor the lead developer, Han-Wen Nienhuys, responded to that suggestion, although Han-Wen had incorporated some rather complex code regarding ties that I had volunteered to sponsor some months earlier. I think that LilyPond is an extraordinary, great program and that Han-Wen is a brilliant programmer. However, if one's interest is in notating polyphonic music, this issue becomes an obstacle that is impossible to ignore and hard to work around. However, all that said, I would be thrilled to be proven wrong. :-) Steve ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:19:22 +0300 From: David Baron &lt;d_baron(a)012.net.il&gt; Subject: Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org Message-ID: &lt;200809072319.23766.d_baron(a)012.net.il&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 On Sunday 07 September 2008 20:17:30 Bob van der Poel wrote: write my score with MUP. over lilypond? but: 2004 and wrote this that so long as to point out that knows". MUP is certainly less sure if lily does now Mup does not look bad at all, aside from not being opensource. But it certainly will not break the bank and does produce nice output if it gets decent input. You, computers ... A while back, someone was working a a minimalist scoring program, gcomposer I think he called it. His syntax was very close to MUPs idea. He was not interested in a full repertoire of music symbols, however. But a GUI for MUP in the making. it certainly could be. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:36:01 -0700 From: Bob van der Poel &lt;bob(a)mellowood.ca&gt; Subject: Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess To: Grammostola Rosea &lt;rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com&gt; Cc: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org Message-ID: &lt;48C47371.4030006(a)mellowood.ca&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Grammostola Rosea wrote: that it is able to there is no MUP does these as well :) But, really, use what works for you! Important part is the music, not the process. -- **** Listen to my CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:42:53 -0700 From: Bob van der Poel &lt;bob(a)mellowood.ca&gt; Subject: Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess To: David Baron &lt;d_baron(a)012.net.il&gt; Cc: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org Message-ID: &lt;48C4750D.7070700(a)mellowood.ca&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed David Baron wrote: > A while back, someone was working a a minimalist scoring program, gcomposer I idea. He was not The original noteedit program used a mup-lilke syntax. I even managed to import/export a few simple pieces (just playing around stuff). The new program nted uses a text file which appears to represent the gui display much more than the music (which probably makes lots of sense). BTW, nted is a program which I've give a go and it appears to have lots of promise. however. But a GUI for MUP Do you folks really think a gui is important for this kind of stuff? I know that I am very happy doing mup (and mma) stuff with a text editor. I have used a number of GUI interfaces for music and find they just slow me down or get in my way. With a program like mup (or lily) one can have an editor in a window and do repetitive compiles/displays in a separate window (or in emacs, in the same). And with fast CPUs which are so common today it is very fast to do. Maybe I'm just showing my age :) -- **** Listen to my CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:57:48 +0200 From: Philippe Hezaine &lt;philippe.hezaine(a)free.fr&gt; Subject: Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org Message-ID: &lt;48C4CCEC.4010304(a)free.fr&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Bob van der Poel a ?crit : > - mup handles transposition very well. I'm not sure if lily does now > (it didn't last time I checked). Hi, see the manual: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Transpose.html Hope this helps. -- Phil. Superbonus-Project (Site principal) <http://superbonus.project.free.fr> Superbonus-Project (Plate-forme d'?change): <http://philippe.hezaine.free.fr> ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:44:26 +0200 From: Atte Andr? Jensen &lt;atte.jensen(a)gmail.com&gt; Subject: Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess To: svoufff at free &lt;svoufff(a)free.fr&gt; Cc: linux-audio-user &lt;linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org&gt; Message-ID: &lt;48C4E5EA.5030206(a)gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed svoufff at free wrote: running. Thanks for the fantastic info! I'm not yet a sibelius user, but need to jump in order to work with other teachers at the school where I'm teaching. Your report tells me it's possible, I'll give it a go asap, and get back in case of trouble. BTW: I installed vmware, which might be the backup solution... Thanks again! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:11:22 +0200 From: Grammostola Rosea &lt;rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com&gt; Subject: Re: [LAU] Drum samples To: Dave Phillips &lt;dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com&gt; Cc: linux-audio-user &lt;linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org&gt; Message-ID: &lt;48C5247A.3040101(a)gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dave Phillips wrote: Drum Kit Sample Library, Is it possible to to adjust relative load it into Gigedit > Thanks. What does normalize? ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:10:54 +0200 From: Edgar Aichinger &lt;edogawa(a)aon.at&gt; Subject: Re: [LAU] Drum samples To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org Message-ID: &lt;200809081610.54848.edogawa(a)aon.at&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Am Montag 08 September 2008 schrieb Grammostola Rosea: Work Drum Kit Sample Library, loud). Is it possible to etc) to adjust relative then load it into Gigedit It looks for the loudest sample value in the file or block, calculates the factor between this and the highest possible value (representing 0dB), and then multiplies all sample values with this factor. If you need it even louder you will have to apply compression, and normalize again. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user End of Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 19, Issue 9 ***********************************************