2011/2/17 Dan Capp <reflectremain(a)gmail.com>om>: Why this is "widely-celebrated" and why this is an advantage to plugin pulseaudio into jack? Besides, why install pulseaudio in the first place? I get good results using just alsa and jack. For instance flash movies (youtube etc) go and connects automatically to jack output. Was that the celebrated advantage of using pulseaudio+jack?

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Dan Capp &lt;reflectremain(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Personally, I would say that KXStudio has made a mistake here. There is no reason to run PulseAudio for this purpose. Torben wrote a libflashsupport-jack which routes Flash straight to JACK, and http://jackaudio.org/faq describes ways to get a variety of other desktop software to talk to JACK. I spend all day listening to internet radio and my own music collection via Rhythmbox, browing the catalog at emusic.com, watching Flash *and* working on Ardour ... all via JACK and all without a large, complex layer like PulseAudio in the middle. Some of these are not quite as robust as they should be but it would be far better (I think) to focus resources on making them more robust than introducing PulseAudio as a desktop<->JACK middle layer.

On 02/17/2011 04:55 PM, Dan Capp wrote: IMHO this is not the case. KXStudio is quantity over quality. I'd never use it in a serious pro audio set-up, its continuity cannot be guaranteed and the chance of packages breaking your set up is significant. No offence towards the maintainer, he's a good guy, very enthusiastic, but in his enthusiasm he sometimes oversees the necessity of some good old quality control. As a beginner I'd go for AV Linux or if you like Ubuntu, go Tango Studio. I myself use plain Ubuntu. Mainly because of the PPA's. The day Debian will have PPA's I'll switch. Best, Jeremy

On 02/17/2011 05:10 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: Jack2 isn't a wrong choice imho. People use it with complex setups and it has the advantage of MP support in some cases and Ladish works with Jack2 (jackdbus enabled). \rk

On 02/17/2011 08:07 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: Ah Jack as default (Desktop) sound daemon, I agree. On Ubuntu it works pretty good when you use Pulseaudio for consumer stuff and Jack for proaudio. \r

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Dan Capp &lt;reflectremain(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I use Fedora. No customization except for installing packages with yum and Torben's libflashsupport-jack from source.

2011/2/17 Daniel Worth &lt;pipemanmusic(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: it is useful only if you really want pulseaudio, or if you really need skype. For me alsa/jack works very nice and no I had zero work to configure. well, that's not a strong argument for pro audio under linux, maybe true for desktop on ubuntu. I really see no point installing pulseaudio at all, unless cases like yours.

Bernardo Barros wrote: I don't see any need for PulseAudio even for ordinary desktop work. The fact that Skype doesn't work with JACK tells me more about Skype's poor programming than it does about any "need" for Pulse Audio. -- David gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community

Daniel Worth пишет: Actually there is - using alsa loopback device. I use just that on Linux Mint Debian Edition. Unlike alsa-jack, it does let you use Skype and generally works better. Cheers, Artem

--- On Thu, 2/17/11, Robin Gareus &lt;robin(a)gareus.org&gt; wrote: the correct link is: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge (remove Index.php/ from the address) The jack-audio faq should be updated as well. J.

Well, it's a bit besides the point. For one alsa-tools needs to be compiled for Ubuntu to get the alsaloopback device or alsa-jack working. I'm well aware that older versions of Skype work with alsa-jack in fact I have a .deb file in my dropbox if anyone needs it. My point however is that I can either futz with config files and compiling or I can use a simple script that works perfectly. My original statement was about whether or not falktx made a mistake including pulse-jack with KXStudio and I belive it isn't a mistake. I am so painfully aware that there are 100 different kludges to getting non Jack apps working with Jack. I have years of experience trying them all. I'm saying as someone who has put in all the effort possible that the pulse-jack script makes this whole task extremely simple. Does it solve the issue of an app not supporting Jack, NO! But will it prevent an new user from opening up firefox when jack is running and wonder why the hell he can't hear a youtube video, YES! OK, I'm not really upset. I just want to share my perspective because I can honestly say I've logged 100s of hours trying to make this stuff work and I felt I neede to defend the best option I've seen yet. falktx has also sucessfully created a patch for Mumble to provide Jask support. It sits unloved in the bug tracker for mumble and applyes prefectly to the git ongoing. On top of that the RC client supports recording each member in the channel to a separate audio file. So in many ways I owe a huge debt of gratitude to the work falktx has done.

Dan Capp wrote: That's one way. Or I guess install Fedora and add the CCRM repositories. Or try something like ArtistX, Musix, or one of the :Dyne derivatives and see how they work. Musix' may not have the most current program versions, but it is a slickly-done music-focussed distro. I like ArtistX on my little music laptop, and it includes creative tools for graphics, video, etc. I tried KXStudio, but it wouldn't run on my music laptop. Hardware too old, I guess! -- David gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community