29 Jan
2006
29 Jan
'06
2:28 a.m.
I've got a DVD-A disc with residue on it, which won't wash off, and
which causes a lot of skipping. If this were a CD, I'd just use
cdparanoia to rip it, then burn a fresh copy. Does anyone know of
something like that for Linux? FWIW, I put the disc in my DVD+/-RW
drive (Lite-on, if it matters) and its type wasn't recognized.
Thanks....
--
Kevin
29 Jan
29 Jan
3:05 a.m.
On Sat, 2006-01-28 at 22:28 -0800, Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
I've got a DVD-A disc with residue on it, which
won't wash off, and
which causes a lot of skipping. If this were a CD, I'd just use
cdparanoia to rip it, then burn a fresh copy. Does anyone know of
something like that for Linux? FWIW, I put the disc in my DVD+/-RW
drive (Lite-on, if it matters) and its type wasn't recognized.
Hmm, if the drive can't recognize the disk you might be screwed, you may
have better luck with a better drive. Any chance you have access to a
Plextor?
Lee
11:47 a.m.
Hmm, if the drive can't recognize the disk you
might be screwed, you may
have better luck with a better drive. Any chance you have access to a
Plextor?
Yup, if the drive doesnt see it your in trouble I am afraid. A lot of
optical discs degrade over time (and I dont think most people know this
when they do backups.) I used to work at Philips optical labs and
Plextor drives were always the benchmark we worked too. That said, the
Philips drives are not that bad ;)
31 Jan
31 Jan
2:25 p.m.
On 29 January 2006 at 2:05, Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2006-01-28 at 22:28 -0800, Kevin Cosgrove
wrote:
Plextors are very nice. I have one of their CDRW units. Are you
saying that you have a Plextor drive that recognizes a DVD-A disc?
No, I don't have access to a Plextor DVD drive. I looked up their
current models on the web. None of them say anything one way or the
other about compatibility with DVD-A.
Thanks...
--
Kevin
I've got a DVD-A disc with residue on it,
which won't wash off, and
which causes a lot of skipping. If this were a CD, I'd just use
cdparanoia to rip it, then burn a fresh copy. Does anyone know of
something like that for Linux? FWIW, I put the disc in my DVD+/-RW
drive (Lite-on, if it matters) and its type wasn't recognized.
Hmm, if the drive can't recognize the disk you might be screwed, you may
have better luck with a better drive. Any chance you have access to a
Plextor? 
1 Feb
1 Feb
1:54 p.m.
Il giorno mar, 31/01/2006 alle 10.04 -0800, Kevin Cosgrove ha scritto:
Plextors are very nice. I have one of their CDRW
units.
I own one of their DVD recorders, but I'm not happy to see things like
this (from http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~noe/Plextor/):
Plextor does obviously not tolerate that anyone can use the PX-755 drive
on Linux, or that anyone uses alternative scanning applications. Plextor
has introduced "protected commands" into this drive. Commands like
enabling/disabling Bitsetting, GigaREC or SilentMode, as well as all
quality check commands, now require to retrieve a code and send another
one that is calculated from the received one back to the drive,
otherwise those commands will be rejected by the drive.
It even seems like Plextor has tried to sue a developer who wrote a
Linux application to use some advanced features of their drives (thread
on http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=138061).
2:59 p.m.
On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 18:54 +0100, Alberto Botti wrote:
Il giorno mar, 31/01/2006 alle 10.04 -0800, Kevin
Cosgrove ha scritto:
Wow, this is F**KED UP - so you'd need to violate the DMCA to write a
driver. What revenue stream are they trying to protect - do they charge
extra for a fully functional driver and/or burning software?
This is one of the worst things I've seen a vendor try to pull. I'm
never buying another Plextor.
Lee
Plextors are very nice. I have one of their CDRW
units.
I own one of their DVD recorders, but I'm not happy to see things like
this (from http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~noe/Plextor/):
Plextor does obviously not tolerate that anyone can use the PX-755 drive
on Linux, or that anyone uses alternative scanning applications. Plextor
has introduced "protected commands" into this drive. Commands like
enabling/disabling Bitsetting, GigaREC or SilentMode, as well as all
quality check commands, now require to retrieve a code and send another
one that is calculated from the received one back to the drive,
otherwise those commands will be rejected by the drive.
It even seems like Plextor has tried to sue a developer who wrote a
Linux application to use some advanced features of their drives (thread
on http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=138061).
3:17 p.m.
Il giorno mer, 01/02/2006 alle 13.59 -0500, Lee Revell ha scritto:
Wow, this is F**KED UP - so you'd need to violate
the DMCA to write a
driver. What revenue stream are they trying to protect - do they charge
extra for a fully functional driver and/or burning software?
They include PlexTools Professional
(http://www.plextools.com/info/info.asp) with every retail drive, and
they sell an enhanced version called Plextools Professional XL.
All of their software requires Microsoft Windows.
This is one of the worst things I've seen a vendor
try to pull. I'm
never buying another Plextor.
Me too. And it doesn't help that my PX-716A likes to make coasters out
of almost half the perfectly good CDs I put in it...
3:25 p.m.
On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 20:17 +0100, Alberto Botti wrote:
All of their software requires Microsoft Windows.
This I've come to expect, but HARDWARE that requires Windows? Grr.
I guess it's to be expected - investors these days demand that profits
increase every quarter, and if you're in a mature market, the only way
to meet those conditions is to cut corners and/or rip off your
customers...
Lee
3:36 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] The fall of Plextor, was Re: "DVD-A"paranoia?
On Wed February 1 2006 14:17, Alberto Botti wrote:
Plextors were the best until 2 or 3 years ago, and then something
happened. Now the name means nothing.... just another brand of
drives, maybe made by Plextor, maybe rebadged.
I try to buy LiteOn drives nowadays, especially for DVD
burners... they may be the closest thing to "generic" that you
can get (I discovered them by buying some rebadged drive by
Yamaha or Memorex and finding it was a LiteOn), but I've never
made a single coaster with one. Granted I've never tried to do
with LiteOn drives the kinds of things pxtools is supposed to
let you do with Plextor drives.
Rob
They include PlexTools Professional
(http://www.plextools.com/info/info.asp) with every retail
drive, and they sell an enhanced version called Plextools
Professional XL. All of their software requires Microsoft
Windows.
From the forum thread someone linked to earlier, judging by the
wording of the letter received by the developer, it might
actually be the name they were really objecting to: "pxtools"
seems like it'd be different enough to me, but then, Lindows had
to change their name based on "-dows", so maybe just taking out
the "le" from PlexTools wasn't enough.
Regardless, it was a lousy thing to do.
This is one of
the worst things I've seen a vendor try to
pull. I'm never buying another Plextor.
Me too. And it doesn't help that my PX-716A likes to make
coasters out of almost half the perfectly good CDs I put in
it...
3:45 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] The fall of Plextor, was Re: "DVD-A"paranoia?
On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 14:26 -0500, Rob wrote:
Plextors were the best until 2 or 3 years ago, and
then something
happened. Now the name means nothing.... just another brand of
drives, maybe made by Plextor, maybe rebadged.
The quality seemed to take a nosedive around when they stopped making
SCSI burners. Maybe they got bought or something.
My old Plexwriter ultrawide SCSI burner probably made 10,000 discs
before it died. I have a newer ATAPI Plexwriter 48/24/48A here that's
probably burned less than 1000 and half the time the tray won't open
unless I stick a paperclip in there.
Lee
3:49 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] The fall of Plextor, was Re: "DVD-A"paranoia?
On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 14:26 -0500, Rob wrote:
From the forum thread someone linked to earlier,
judging by the
wording of the letter received by the developer, it might
actually be the name they were really objecting to: "pxtools"
seems like it'd be different enough to me, but then, Lindows had
to change their name based on "-dows", so maybe just taking out
the "le" from PlexTools wasn't enough.
True but if they've really moved to a challenge-response scheme for
sending SCSI commands it's clear that the intent is to make any attempt
at a third party Pxtools replacement illegal under the DMCA.
Really I could care less about Plextor, good companies destroy their
customer base by cheaping out all the time (see also Creative Labs).
What's scary is that this could be the future of hardware, where you
can't RE a driver without violating the DMCA.
Lee
4:25 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] The fall of Plextor, was Re: "DVD-A"paranoia?
On 1 February 2006 at 14:26, Rob <lau(a)kudla.org> wrote:
I try to buy LiteOn drives nowadays, especially for
DVD=20
burners... they may be the closest thing to "generic" that you=20
can get (I discovered them by buying some rebadged drive by=20
Yamaha or Memorex and finding it was a LiteOn), but I've never=20
made a single coaster with one. Granted I've never tried to do=20
with LiteOn drives the kinds of things pxtools is supposed to=20
let you do with Plextor drives.
I also like my LiteOn drive a lot. If you need to make a coaster,
then try growisofs on a DVD-R blank. ;-)
--
Kevin
4:20 p.m.
I suggest that some folks could let Plextor know that
- you used to buy Plextor and found their gear to be the best
- because of their anti-Linux posture you won't be buying their
products in the foreseeable future
- instead you'll buy <name the gear> from <name their nemesis
competition>
There are some vendors for whom this strategy has worked in favor of
Linux users. HP printers are better supported now, for instance.
TTFN...
--
Kevin
29 Jan
29 Jan
8:44 p.m.
Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
I've got a DVD-A disc with residue on it, which
won't wash off, and
which causes a lot of skipping. If this were a CD, I'd just use
cdparanoia to rip it, then burn a fresh copy. Does anyone know of
something like that for Linux? FWIW, I put the disc in my DVD+/-RW
drive (Lite-on, if it matters) and its type wasn't recognized.
Take a look at Ripmake ... www.lallafa.de/bp/ripmake.html
I have a DVD read only drive, so I haven't been able to copy DVD to
DVD. However, I can copy DVD to AVI (usually produces 2 AVI files), and
can at least back up a DVD movie to CDRom disks. You lose all
navigation features and special content, but the movie will play.
At the Ripmake site is 'cpdvd', a program to copy a DVD to your hard
disk drive. You might be able to copy to hard disk drive and then burn
another DVD from the hard disk drive files.
There are other DVD backup programs that will do the same thing. Google
for them.
Hope this helps,
Stephen.
9:31 p.m.
On Sun January 29 2006 13:44, The Other wrote:
Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
DVD-A stands for DVD-Audio.... it's an audio-only format, and it
isn't a standard DVD.
While DVD-A discs will often have the music in normal DVD audio
format to prevent people from returning the discs because it
won't play in their normal DVD players, only the DVD-A version
has the higher resolution audio (and often a fairly different
mix) and as far as I know there's nothing out there that rips
those yet. On the one DVD-A I've played, the standard DVD audio
mix was the same stereo mix as was available on the normal CD
version of the album, eliminating the benefit of ripping it
(which I'm sure was their intent.)
Rob
I've got a DVD-A disc with residue on it,
which won't wash
I have a DVD read only drive, so I haven't been able to
copy
DVD to DVD. However, I can copy DVD to AVI (usually produces
2 AVI files), and can at least back up a DVD movie to CDRom
disks. You lose all navigation features and special content,
but the movie will play. 
30 Jan
30 Jan
11:07 a.m.
Hi all,
Rob wrote:
While DVD-A discs will often have the music in normal
DVD audio
format to prevent people from returning the discs because it
won't play in their normal DVD players, only the DVD-A version
has the higher resolution audio (and often a fairly different
mix) and as far as I know there's nothing out there that rips
those yet.
While we're talking about it, does anyone know of the best program(s) for
playing DVD-Audio discs under Linux? The 'standard' component is playable
with VLC and friends, but I've not heard of anything that plays the hi-res
stuff.
Chris.
31 Jan
31 Jan
2:25 p.m.
On 29 January 2006 at 12:44, The Other <sstubbs(a)shout.net> wrote:
Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
Ripmake looks specifically geared to video CD/DVDs. But, maybe it
would work. No, I haven't tried it. FWIW, dvdbackup can make backup
copies of DVDs with two command lines. I just tried it over the
weekend. Wow, is it ever easy to use, unless one needs a GUI.
Thanks...
--
Kevin
I've got a DVD-A disc with residue on it,
which won't wash off, and
which causes a lot of skipping. If this were a CD, I'd just use
cdparanoia to rip it, then burn a fresh copy. Does anyone know of
something like that for Linux? FWIW, I put the disc in my DVD+/-RW
drive (Lite-on, if it matters) and its type wasn't recognized.
Take a look at Ripmake ... http://www.lallafa.de/bp/ripmake.html
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