30 Jun
2003
30 Jun
'03
5:01 p.m.
Hey folks,
I'm considering building a Linux DAW and have a few questions. First
of all I have a Delta 1010LT soundcard. Does anyone have experience
with using that card on Linux? Any caveats I should know about?
Secondly, I think I've narrowed down my mobo/CPU combination and
wonder if there's anything to watch out for there. Here it is:
CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2400 Thoroughbred 2.0 Ghz 266Mhz FSB
Mobo: Asus A7N8X Deluxe NVIDIA nForce2 SPP, nForce2 MCP-T chipsets
Also, related to hardware, there seems to be a myriad of hard disk
choices out there. The mobo seems to have built in support for
standard ATA IDE and SATA. I haven't read the manual yet to find out
the details, but I'm thinking about going the older ATA100, 7200RPM
route since the drives are about half the price. Am I shooting
myself in the foot by doing this? Should I buy a PCI IDE controller
or is it possible to get reasonable results from the onboard
controller? What are some drives you have had success (or failure)
with?
Finally, I would like to be able to record in remote locations
without having to bring along a monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. I was
thinking about using my laptop to open a remote X session on the main
box. Is that a practical scenario or would that drain too many
resources on the main box to be productive?
This is mainly an experimental project. I don't need this box for
everyday professional use or anything. I'm just trying to build a
Linux box on a shoestring and hopefully get it to work with the audio
stuff. I'm really trying to keep costs down to around $400 US --
pipe dream maybe, but we'll see.
Thanks,
Greg
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30 Jun
30 Jun
5:15 p.m.
On Mon 30/06/2003 11:48:50, Greg Reddin wrote:
Hey folks,
CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2400 Thoroughbred 2.0 Ghz 266Mhz FSB
Mobo: Asus A7N8X Deluxe NVIDIA nForce2 SPP, nForce2 MCP-T chipsets
I've been looking into similar systems. But, some of my colleagues have
steered me away from nvidia chipsets because they've heard nvidia has
not been nice about the drivers or something ... I don't really
understand the situation. Can someone confirm, deny or elaborate on the
status of nvidia chipset drivers?
Thanks,
Eric Rz.
5:21 p.m.
I've been looking into similar systems. But, some
of my colleagues
have
steered me away from nvidia chipsets because they've heard nvidia
has
not been nice about the drivers or something
I guess that issue is directly related to Linux support for the
chipset? RME has quite a bit of information on using this board with
the Athlon XP on their site. I guess their recommendations apply to
Windows users.
If not NVIDIA, then what? VIA is bad too, right?
Greg
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5:52 p.m.
On Mon 30/06/2003 12:08:15, Greg Reddin wrote:
I don't really know. I've only heard rumours. I thought (hoped) VIA was
ok...
I've been
looking into similar systems. But, some of my colleagues
have
steered me away from nvidia chipsets because they've heard nvidia
has
not been nice about the drivers or something
I guess that issue is directly related to Linux support for the
chipset? RME has quite a bit of information on using this board with
the Athlon XP on their site. I guess their recommendations apply to
Windows users.
If not NVIDIA, then what? VIA is bad too, right?
Greg
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5:59 p.m.
--- Greg Reddin <gtreddin(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've been looking into similar systems. But,
some of my colleagues
> have
> steered me away from nvidia chipsets because they've heard nvidia
> has
> not been nice about the drivers or something
Yeah. This part of an _ongoing_ flame war (which I don't wish to
continue here), mostly regarding binary-only policies and developer
support, etc. Here's the latest installment (from today) by way of
example, a disccusion of ATI which bleeds periodically into NVIDIA
frustration/happiness:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/30/123225&mode=thread&tid=…
In my own experience, Nvidia chips/drivers work great on Linux,
contrary to my experiences with both ATI and Matrox cards.
Kevin
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10:17 p.m.
At 05:46 AM 7/1/2003, you wrote:
In my own experience, Nvidia chips/drivers work great
on Linux,
contrary to my experiences with both ATI and Matrox cards.
I am running a Matrox Milennium G550 DualHead video card in my DAW, and
even though I am not using two monitors, it runs like a charm. This is with
the driver that comes with XFree86-4.3.0.
Luke
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Audio software packaged for the Slackware Linux Distribution
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7:15 p.m.
I thought they were talking about mobos.
Jan
On Mon, 2003-06-30 at 15:51, Jack O'Quin wrote:
Greg Reddin <gtreddin(a)yahoo.com> writes:
If not NVIDIA, then what? VIA is bad too, right?
I've had good luck with the Matrox Millennium G400 (dual head).
I believe others have, too.
--
Jack O'Quin
Austin, Texas, USA
7:21 p.m.
Running dual-headed works fine for you with linux and linux audio apps?
I've toyed with the idea of doing that with my next box ... but, have
shied away out of fear of the unknown.
On Mon 30/06/2003 15:51:21, Jack O'Quin wrote:
Greg Reddin <gtreddin(a)yahoo.com> writes:
If not NVIDIA, then what? VIA is bad too, right?
I've had good luck with the Matrox Millennium G400 (dual head).
I believe others have, too.
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Austin, Texas, USA 
4 Jul
4 Jul
6:32 p.m.
Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
Running dual-headed works fine for you with linux and
linux audio apps?
I've toyed with the idea of doing that with my next box ... but, have
shied away out of fear of the unknown.
works fine for me. the only thing that's not (yet) possible is to use
hardware-accelerated direct rendering with multihead.
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30 Jun
30 Jun
9:38 p.m.
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Greg Reddin wrote:
And at the staudio.com there's lots of info on the via chipset having
problems with these low latency cards. Their cards the DSP24 are ICE1712 based,
for what is worth. Havent checked at the m-audio.
My setup is an AthlonXP1600+ nForce chipset and was working ok with DMA enabled
disks (ATA100 or ATA133, not sure). C-pot2000 DSP24.
--
cableS
I've been
looking into similar systems. But, some of my colleagues
have
steered me away from nvidia chipsets because they've heard nvidia
has
not been nice about the drivers or something
I guess that issue is directly related to Linux support for the
chipset? RME has quite a bit of information on using this board with
the Athlon XP on their site. I guess their recommendations apply to
Windows users.
If not NVIDIA, then what? VIA is bad too, right?
10:02 p.m.
ST Audio is the only really good source of fixes for the VIA
"problems". M Audio has nothing on the subject and when I asked them
about it they were apparently unaware that there were any problems. The
Delta 1010, 1010LT, 2496, Terratec EWS88MT, and all of the ST Audio
DSP24 cards are envy24 (ice1712 driver) chipset cards. If you're going
to use a motherboard with the VIA chipset (as I do) you need to check
out ST Audio's pages.
Jan
On Mon, 2003-06-30 at 18:41, foltra(a)terra.cl wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Greg Reddin wrote:
And at the staudio.com there's lots of info on the via chipset having
problems with these low latency cards. Their cards the DSP24 are ICE1712 based,
for what is worth. Havent checked at the m-audio.
My setup is an AthlonXP1600+ nForce chipset and was working ok with DMA enabled
disks (ATA100 or ATA133, not sure). C-pot2000 DSP24.
--
cableS
I've
been looking into similar systems. But, some of my colleagues
have
steered me away from nvidia chipsets because they've heard nvidia
has
not been nice about the drivers or something
I guess that issue is directly related to Linux support for the
chipset? RME has quite a bit of information on using this board with
the Athlon XP on their site. I guess their recommendations apply to
Windows users.
If not NVIDIA, then what? VIA is bad too, right?
5:57 p.m.
I'm running on an AZZA KT3AV KT133A Socket A motherboard (266FSB, VIA
chipset), an AMD Athlon XP 1700+ 1.47GHz processor, 512MB PC133 memory,
a pair of ATA 100 IDE hard drives, an NVIDIA TNT2 32MB AGP video card,
and an ST Audio (Hoontech) C-Port DSP2000 system. The DSP 2000 uses the
same chipset as the 1010LT but with an external ADC/DAC. I haven't had
any problems with the IDE drives since I tuned them. I've got
instructions for tuning them on my site -
http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/ALSA_JACK_ARDOUR.html.
It's interesting that you should mention doing the remote X session
because I just did that recently and did some experimenting with it.
First I tried running the X session over wireless LAN. This was a
massive pain. There's not enough bandwidth to handle the session so the
UI becomes very jerky. Then I switched to hardwired 100Mb ethernet.
What's really interesting is that I could run better remotely than I
could locally since all of the display overhead (X server) was taken off
of the recording workstation. I actually started reducing my JACK
period size down and watched for when I would get xruns using the exact
same setup locally and remotely. I started getting xruns much sooner
when I ran locally.
BTW, one of the really nice things about the 1010LT, 1010, EWS88MT, and
the DSP 2000 (or any other card using the envy24 chipset) is that you
can set your JACK period size to a large value to avoid xruns since you
can monitor using the built-in digital mixer.
Jan
On Mon, 2003-06-30 at 13:48, Greg Reddin wrote:
Hey folks,
I'm considering building a Linux DAW and have a few questions. First
of all I have a Delta 1010LT soundcard. Does anyone have experience
with using that card on Linux? Any caveats I should know about?
Secondly, I think I've narrowed down my mobo/CPU combination and
wonder if there's anything to watch out for there. Here it is:
CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2400 Thoroughbred 2.0 Ghz 266Mhz FSB
Mobo: Asus A7N8X Deluxe NVIDIA nForce2 SPP, nForce2 MCP-T chipsets
Also, related to hardware, there seems to be a myriad of hard disk
choices out there. The mobo seems to have built in support for
standard ATA IDE and SATA. I haven't read the manual yet to find out
the details, but I'm thinking about going the older ATA100, 7200RPM
route since the drives are about half the price. Am I shooting
myself in the foot by doing this? Should I buy a PCI IDE controller
or is it possible to get reasonable results from the onboard
controller? What are some drives you have had success (or failure)
with?
Finally, I would like to be able to record in remote locations
without having to bring along a monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. I was
thinking about using my laptop to open a remote X session on the main
box. Is that a practical scenario or would that drain too many
resources on the main box to be productive?
This is mainly an experimental project. I don't need this box for
everyday professional use or anything. I'm just trying to build a
Linux box on a shoestring and hopefully get it to work with the audio
stuff. I'm really trying to keep costs down to around $400 US --
pipe dream maybe, but we'll see.
Thanks,
Greg
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7:03 p.m.
Secondly, I think I've narrowed down my mobo/CPU
combination and
wonder if there's anything to watch out for there. Here it is:
CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2400 Thoroughbred 2.0 Ghz 266Mhz FSB
Mobo: Asus A7N8X Deluxe NVIDIA nForce2 SPP, nForce2 MCP-T chipsets
I'm in the process of building a Linux-based DAW as well. My question is
what distribution should I go with? I'm leaning towards Mandrake 9.1 or Red
Hat 9.. but I'm open to suggestions. Thanks.
--
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Technology Consultant
http://derbtech.d2g.com/
d.macleod(a)ns.sympatico.ca
7:15 p.m.
I'm in the process of building a Linux-based DAW
as well. My
question is
what distribution should I go with? I'm leaning towards Mandrake
9.1 or Red
Hat 9.. but I'm open to suggestions. Thanks.
Haven't quite gotten to that one yet. I may start with RedHat 8 or 9
and if that proves problematic, I'm currently building a Linux From
Scratch box (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org). We'll see.
Greg
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7:57 p.m.
On 2003.06.30 16:49, Darryl MacLeod wrote:
I'm in the process of building a Linux-based DAW
as well. My question is
what distribution should I go with? I'm leaning towards Mandrake 9.1 or Red
Hat 9.. but I'm open to suggestions. Thanks.
The fastest, easiest, and most reliable options are:
RedHat with Planet CCRMA apt interface to the rpms - or - Mandrake.
Anything else is a fair bit more work for very little return.
If you chose Mandrake, keep in mind that most sound applications are in the
'contrib' repositories, like mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/9.1/contrib, so
you'll have to tell urpmi or rpmdrake to look there. There are also some apps
at plf.zarb.org that cannot be included in Mandrake for legal reasons.
Let me know if you have any problems, as I'm starting to get things ready for
Mandrake 9.2...
Austin
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8:04 p.m.
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 05:49:12PM -0300, Darryl MacLeod wrote:
I recommend RedHat 9 + Planet CCRMA.
- Steve
Secondly, I
think I've narrowed down my mobo/CPU combination and
wonder if there's anything to watch out for there. Here it is:
CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2400 Thoroughbred 2.0 Ghz 266Mhz FSB
Mobo: Asus A7N8X Deluxe NVIDIA nForce2 SPP, nForce2 MCP-T chipsets
I'm in the process of building a Linux-based DAW as well. My question is
what distribution should I go with? I'm leaning towards Mandrake 9.1 or Red
Hat 9.. but I'm open to suggestions. Thanks.
10:17 p.m.
At 06:49 AM 7/1/2003, you wrote:
I'm in the process of building a Linux-based DAW as
well. My question is
what distribution should I go with? I'm leaning towards Mandrake 9.1 or Red
Hat 9.. but I'm open to suggestions. Thanks.
If you are an experienced Linux user, I would personally suggest Slackware
9. You have to configure most things by hand, but the distro itself is very
lean and tweakable, and gives very good performance for audio. Another nice
thing is that the kernel is the vanilla source from kernel.org so patching
it for low latency and preempt is no problem at all.
You would also be able to grab prepared packages from my site at
http://www.audioslack.com should you take this path.
Regards
Luke
----------------
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AudioSlack Founder and main package maintainer
Audio software packaged for the Slackware Linux Distribution
http://www.audioslack.com
luke(a)audioslack.com
8:45 p.m.
On Mon, 2003-06-30 at 19:48, Greg Reddin wrote:
Hey folks,
Also, related to hardware, there seems to be a myriad
of hard disk
choices out there. The mobo seems to have built in support for
standard ATA IDE and SATA. I haven't read the manual yet to find out
the details, but I'm thinking about going the older ATA100, 7200RPM
route since the drives are about half the price. Am I shooting
myself in the foot by doing this? Should I buy a PCI IDE controller
or is it possible to get reasonable results from the onboard
controller? What are some drives you have had success (or failure)
with?
My suggestion would be to go for 2 small hardisks rather than one large
for 2 reasons. 1) The big hds get to hot to put acoustic padding
thingy's on them. 2) a seperate hard disk for audio means less chance of
latency problems from the system disk thrashing.
Don't get western digital caviers they will drive you mad with the
racket.
If your going to have mikes in the same room as the computer be prepared
to spend a lot of money on silent psu, fans, acoustic padding etc
Use the onboard controller. I'd stick with ata 100 as it's better tested
and the extra speed you get from sata isn't usefull for recording sound
(though obviously a faster computers allways nicer too use:)
Thanks,
Greg
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11:50 a.m.
If your going to have mikes in the same room as the
computer be
prepared
to spend a lot of money on silent psu, fans, acoustic padding etc
Thanks for your suggestions. This probably won't be too much of an
issue for me b/c I won't be often recording in the same room as the
computer, I have a *far from silent* recording environment, and I
typically don't use good enough mics for the extra noise to matter
much anyway.
Greg
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