On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:23:37 -0500, LinuxMedia wrote / a écrit: Not too much flames, just some campfire :) Kde is a very good environnment, but it asks fore so much cpu power! And what about Kde relation towards alsa and artsd? For the cpu-hungry problem, same goes for gnome. I use for my sub-600 cpu icewm. But I can use gtk apps because even if they are tied with libraries, I don't have to wait long for them. On the other side, when I launch a Kde app, it loads DCOPServer, and I have to wait longer. When it ends it says something like "Mutex destroy failure" (since ever). So kudos and all the best for audio apps+scripts based on KDE, I just hope that light solutions exists beside. I hope the flames weren't too hot, but you asked for it ;-) Peace on Earth GuyCLO~ ----------------------------------------------- #219055 http://counter.li.org ----------------------------------------------- http://perso.wanadoo.fr/guy.clotilde/index.html ----------------------------------------------- Change your Linux PC in a Rythm Station with holborn's GMORGAN: http://gmorgan.sf.net -----------------------------------------------

I see no reason why you should get flamed for your remarks :-) On Wednesday 24 December 2003 03:23, LinuxMedia wrote: [snip] Well I can totally see the logic in that. You pays yer money and you makes yer choice ... Or something like that anyway. Um, I'm not aware of any 'convenience' features in KDE that make making music easier apart from the fact that you can turn off artsd - that helps :-) I've spent a fair amount of time & energy making sure that KDE doesn't b0rk my audio apps. I think we're more or less through that. I like 3.1.4 - IMCO it's nice. But I wasn't aware it could help with music making. Do elaborate. On Wednesday 24 December 2003 05:06, Dave Phillips wrote: Well I'm using Agnula/DeMuDi and enjoying it lots, getting some results and learning a whole lot more. I think it all depends on what style of system you want. I was already using Debian, so all I had to do was add a couple of lines to my /etc/apt/sources.list and let apt do the rest. The Agnula distro goes a long way towards making the Debian system easier to configure with hardware detection and even (shock!) some of these new-fangled gui things. The Agnula Project seems to be picking up pace in recent months, sure Agnula-1.0 is old. 'Stable' in Debianspeak means 'so old that even your mother would flirt with it'. Some of the packages for 1.1 are already available, the ISOs with installer are going to take a little longer I believe. Debian offers an insane degree of flexibilty, which I like - I'm double-booting Woody/Agnula-DeMuDi-1.0 with Testing/Unstable/Agnula-DeMuDi-1.1 and chrooting between the two. It's a little bit Heath-Robinson, but I like that. Not all of it is actually configured properly yet, due to my brain/time limitations, but generally I'm finding at least one combination of possibilities will work in any given situation. I really _don't_ recommend following my scheme of things, I just offer it as an example of Debian's flexibility. I can wholeheartedly recommend Agnula, however, if that's what you want. They also do a RedHat version, called oddly enough, ReHMuDi. If you decide you don't like Debian, and let's face it, plenty of ordinary, otherwise logical people don't, then you have plently of choice. Recent versions of Mandrake and SuSE carry a good range of audio apps. People have built audio systems successfully with Slackware and Gentoo, I believe. I don't entirely understand why you'd want to look any further than mdk-9.2 if that's what you're already using, perhaps I missed something here? HTH tim hall

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:45:21 +0000 "Mr. Spock" <spock(a)canopus22.demon.co.uk> wrote: My machine is Debian Testing, but I have gcc-2.95 and gcc-3.3 running quite happily side by side. Yes it is. Here's how its done: - Edit /etc/apt/sources.list so that it points to unstable (or testing) instead of stable. - apt-get update - apt-get upgrade This will upgrade a large number of things but leave an even large number still to be done. - apt-get install libc6 perl This upgrades the two really critical components that must be correct before the next step. - apt-get distupgrade That does the rest. The above procedure has worked for me on at least 10 different machines. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo nospam(a)mega-nerd.com (Yes it's valid) +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Hiesenbugs - The bugs that go away when you turn on debugging.

tim hall wrote: I am using unstable (pretty much all the time, except of short period when I tried testing) and can't see any reason why bothering with mixing various versions (stable, testing, unstable). for servers that have to be rock solid I'd go with stable (stable is more stable and the software generally used on servers is late in the development, doesn't change that often so you can live with older software) for personal workstation (desktop, audio system etc.) I'd go with unstable, the few problems that it has are usually very quickly solved, unlike testing which is slower to get the bugs but LOT slower to fix them and AFAIK does not get security updates. erik

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 07:56 pm, tim hall wrote: Good advice. A full "unstable" system take quite a bit of constant updating which would hurt on a 56k dialup connection so a good compromise is to run mainly as a "testing" system and only use "unstable" for the latest audio apps. I decided to update my mothers "unstable" system last night, after about 3 months, and it took 248Mb of downloads to do so. For anyone wondering how to... edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and add APT::Default-Release "testing"; make sure you have testing AND unstable targetted in your /etc/apt/sources.list, such as (pick a mirror nearer yourself)... deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free and do an apt-get update then apt-get -t unstable whatever. I use these aliases in my .bashrc for conveniance... alias e='nano -w -t -x -c -R ' alias edapt='e /etc/apt/sources.list' alias apt-update='apt-get update && apt-get -u -d -y dist-upgrade && apt-get autoclean' alias apt-install='apt-get install' alias apt-remove='apt-get --purge remove' If you have a 1 ghtz cpu+ and an adsl/cable connection and are prepared for the extra work then I'd recommend Gentoo. I've been using KDE 3.2-beta something for a couple of weeks now on a system that is at least 50% "snappier" than Debian on the same hardware. Right now, regardless of distro, the crossing over to a 2.6 kernel is icky... I suspect 2.6.1 will have most of the low-latency patches currently available for 2.4 and the in-kernel ALSA will hopefully be updated so /dev/sequencer works in OSS mode (for sfxload/SBlive). --markc

On Sunday 28 December 2003 21:18, derek holzer wrote: Yes, you're right and this package is not available on all distributions either, so ignore that suggestion. Agreed. I'm having a reasonable degree of succes with my mixed system on this. This is not a recommended strategy, by the way kids :-] I'm mostly running debian/testing with kde-3.1.4 and I've managed to install an awful lot of audio apps either from the Agnula-1.1 archive or Debian/Unstable on top of that. It's taken a fair amount of juggling and I've not really checked out how much of it Actually Works. The one critical unresolved dependency is with qjackconnect, which still depends on the old libqt-mt, qjackctl-0.0.9a-1 is fine. It does mean I'm not using some QT audio apps, I have both Rosegarden4 and MusE installed. Downgrading to meet the needs of DeMuDi-1.0 would cause all sorts of problems. I do suspect that by the time I get it working it will be more 'unstable' than 'testing'. I'm working on the basis that all the packages I want will filter through into the testing archive sooner or later and I'll kind of meet them halfway. Agnula/DeMuDi-1.1 is based on a recent 'snapshot' of unstable (aka 'sid') FTWDK. While all of this is madly gay, It wouldn't do for every day, I really live on hda, the drive ... next .. door. Which incidentally is running Agnula/DeMuDi-1.0 on top of Woody and it all works fine [now :-] apart from some b0rked bits of kde2, which I can live without. For the first time user, start here, it's all rather old compared to what people are talking about on this list. I guess the point I'm making is the the apt system is flexible enough that you can integrate packages from other debian-based archives at any point simply by adding them to your /etc/apt/sources.list and also gives you a great deal of control over that by editing /etc/apt/preferences and using apt-pinning. You /do/ have to decide whether you want a DAW or an office box, however. I've only been using Debian a year so I'm still a relative newbie and I find this pretty straightforward. It does require having a reasonable amount of time to spend reading and configuring. If you're not up for that, don't use Debian :-) cheers tim hall