10 Jul
2011
10 Jul
'11
3:41 p.m.
Hi :)
I guess everybody knows that Neutrik cable relief becomes bad, when the
connectors get old, today I noticed that some of my very old Neutrik are
shattered, I guess they are > 15 years old. The cables are still ok,
perhaps affected by oxygen, but the sound still is ok (maybe not for
every usage).
For new cables I've got some Rean connectors that seems to be good too,
but without plastic that could break.
I've got several no name connectors, but the 6.3 jacks of those
elCheapos sometimes need to be 'semi-plugged' to get a connection and
those XLRs wiggel, very good for hand-held microphones. Some connectors
melt away, even when the iron (!from a soldering station!) is 50 cm away
from the connectors. At home I just use 2 soldering irons, one with
minimal Watt and another to solder ground to e.g. pots, if the minimal
Watt iron shouldn't be able to do it.
Can anybody recommend a vendor for 6.3 jacks and XLR connectors?
I know große Tuchel connectors older than me, that are still ok, just
the cables needed to be replaced.
At the moment I tend to use Rean connectors in the future. Has anybody
experiences with this connectors?
Throwaway society :(.
Regards,
Ralf
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10 Jul
10 Jul
4:12 p.m.
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 03:41:21PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
At the moment I tend to use Rean connectors in the
future. Has anybody
experiences with this connectors?
I've never used Rean. My preference ATM are the Switchcraft
A and AA series. I've got some of them at least 30 years old
and as good as new. But they are difficult to find in Europe.
Thomann doesn't have them, and RS only has the AAA series.
Ciao,
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FA
5:10 p.m.
On 07/10/2011 04:12 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
But they are difficult to find in Europe.
Banzai music has them: http://www.banzaimusic.com/Switchcraft-XLR-A3F.html
If those are the ones you're referring to. I've ordered some parts with
them when I was trying to build my own Boss FA-1 clone. I got it in very
fast. I failed miserably though building the actual stompbox :D
Best,
Jeremy
5:58 p.m.
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 05:09:58PM +0200, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
On 07/10/2011 04:12 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
That is the AA series, so yes. Thanks for the pointer, I'll
keep them in mind.
But they are difficult to find in Europe.
Banzai music has them: http://www.banzaimusic.com/Switchcraft-XLR-A3F.html
If those are the ones you're referring to. I've ordered some parts with
them when I was trying to build my own Boss FA-1 clone. I got it in very
fast. I failed miserably though building the actual stompbox :D
Why ? :-)
Ciao,
--
FA
6:32 p.m.
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 03:58:28PM +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 05:09:58PM +0200, Jeremy
Jongepier wrote:
BTW, they have XLRs for less than one Euro there, while
the Switchcraft costs nearly five. I wonder how long the
cheap ones last...
--
FA
On 07/10/2011 04:12 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
That is the AA series, so yes. Thanks for the pointer, I'll
keep them in mind. But they are difficult to find in Europe.
Banzai music has them: http://www.banzaimusic.com/Switchcraft-XLR-A3F.html
If those are the ones you're referring to. 
10 Jul
10 Jul
4:18 p.m.
New subject: PS: Connectors
PS: I don't protect unused cables against UV light. Would storing the
unused cables in a locker prevent the Neutrik's plastic against falling
apart?
4:19 p.m.
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 15:41 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Hi :)
I guess everybody knows that Neutrik cable relief becomes bad, when the
connectors get old, today I noticed that some of my very old Neutrik are
shattered, I guess they are > 15 years old. The cables are still ok,
perhaps affected by oxygen, but the sound still is ok (maybe not for
every usage).
For new cables I've got some Rean connectors that seems to be good too,
but without plastic that could break.
I've got several no name connectors, but the 6.3 jacks of those
elCheapos sometimes need to be 'semi-plugged' to get a connection and
those XLRs wiggel, very good for hand-held microphones. Some connectors
melt away, even when the iron (!from a soldering station!) is 50 cm away
from the connectors. At home I just use 2 soldering irons, one with
minimal Watt and another to solder ground to e.g. pots, if the minimal
Watt iron shouldn't be able to do it.
Can anybody recommend a vendor for 6.3 jacks and XLR connectors?
I know große Tuchel connectors older than me, that are still ok, just
the cables needed to be replaced.
At the moment I tend to use Rean connectors in the future. Has anybody
experiences with this connectors?
Throwaway society :(.
Regards,
Ralf
The newer Amphenol stuff us decent.
But I still prefer Neutrik. Yes, sometimes the plastic back-shell
cracks, but at the end of the day, I think it's an all-around better
connector.
Rich...
4:27 p.m.
+1 on Neutrik, at least for XLR. For TRS 1/4" i also use Rean, el cheapo but
still reliable.
Moshe
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Ricardus Vincente
<wizardofgosz(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 15:41 +0200, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
Hi :)
I guess everybody knows that Neutrik cable relief becomes bad, when the
connectors get old, today I noticed that some of my very old Neutrik are
shattered, I guess they are > 15 years old. The cables are still ok,
perhaps affected by oxygen, but the sound still is ok (maybe not for
every usage).
For new cables I've got some Rean connectors that seems to be good too,
but without plastic that could break.
I've got several no name connectors, but the 6.3 jacks of those
elCheapos sometimes need to be 'semi-plugged' to get a connection and
those XLRs wiggel, very good for hand-held microphones. Some connectors
melt away, even when the iron (!from a soldering station!) is 50 cm away
from the connectors. At home I just use 2 soldering irons, one with
minimal Watt and another to solder ground to e.g. pots, if the minimal
Watt iron shouldn't be able to do it.
Can anybody recommend a vendor for 6.3 jacks and XLR connectors?
I know große Tuchel connectors older than me, that are still ok, just
the cables needed to be replaced.
At the moment I tend to use Rean connectors in the future. Has anybody
experiences with this connectors?
Throwaway society :(.
Regards,
Ralf
The newer Amphenol stuff us decent.
But I still prefer Neutrik. Yes, sometimes the plastic back-shell
cracks, but at the end of the day, I think it's an all-around better
connector.
Rich...
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12 Jul
12 Jul
11:56 a.m.
Neutrik = made in Liechtenstein, Rean = made in China.
That being said, all my patchbay TRS's are Rean and I've got no problems at
all.
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org>wrote;wrote:
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 05:27:53PM +0300, Moshe Werner
wrote:
+1 on Neutrik, at least for XLR. For TRS
1/4" i also use Rean, el cheapo
but
still reliable.
Rean is a actually just a tradename of Neutrik.
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10 Jul
10 Jul
4:52 p.m.
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 17:27 +0300, Moshe Werner wrote:
+1 on Neutrik, at least for XLR. For TRS 1/4" i
also use Rean, el
cheapo but still reliable.
Moshe
The best TRS and TS connectors without question are Neutrik NP3C's, and
NP2C's.
I actually used to work at a company that made cabling for pro audio,
and had opportunity to try all of the connectors out there. When it
comes to XLRs there may be some difference of opinion, but with 1/4 inch
connectors, there is only one. :-)
Amphenol kind-of cloned the Neutrik NP series, but there are not quite
as good.
Best,
Rich...
5:12 p.m.
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 10:52 -0400, Ricardus Vincente wrote:
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 17:27 +0300, Moshe Werner wrote:
One of them some minutes ago moldered in my hands ;), resp. just the
cable relief moldered, OTOH I still can connect it to the mixing
console. There's no need to find out, how to semi-connect them, to get a
connection. It's possible to solder hot enough that the soldering tin
melt, but the connector keeps ok. I only need to plug Neutriks in and
the connection is ok, while for no-name connectors this isn't that
easy :D.
What's the bad with Rean connectors? Until now they seems to be very
good here.
- Ralf
+1 on Neutrik, at least for XLR. For TRS
1/4" i also use Rean, el
cheapo but still reliable.
Moshe
The best TRS and TS connectors without question are Neutrik NP3C's, and
NP2C's. 
11 Jul
11 Jul
11:25 a.m.
Excerpts from Ricardus Vincente's message of 2011-07-10 16:52:27 +0200:
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 17:27 +0300, Moshe Werner wrote:
Really? Yamaha doesn't seem to test with those then. I soldered TRS to
two TS connectors to be able to record my e-piano through its headphone
out. The TRS just doesn't fit, it seems to be too small, I can't get a
proper connection. The TRS of my old AKG headphones seems to fit
perfectly.
Philipp
+1 on Neutrik, at least for XLR. For TRS
1/4" i also use Rean, el
cheapo but still reliable.
Moshe
The best TRS and TS connectors without question are Neutrik NP3C's, and
NP2C's.
I actually used to work at a company that made cabling for pro audio,
and had opportunity to try all of the connectors out there. When it
comes to XLRs there may be some difference of opinion, but with 1/4 inch
connectors, there is only one. :-)
11:50 a.m.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:25:53AM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
Really? Yamaha doesn't seem to test with those
then. I soldered TRS to
two TS connectors to be able to record my e-piano through its headphone
out. The TRS just doesn't fit, it seems to be too small, I can't get a
proper connection. The TRS of my old AKG headphones seems to fit
perfectly.
Are you shure you have a standard TRS then ? I've got some Neutriks
here, dimensions are perfectly OK. But I prefer Amphenols.
There is a TRS-like connector sometimes called a 'GPO jack', the
one used in manual telephone exchanges and in pro audio before
bantams became the norm. It has a smaller diameter tip and the
position of the ring is different as well. Don't know if Neutrik
makes them, they are kind of rare these days.
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12:53 p.m.
Excerpts from Fons Adriaensen's message of 2011-07-11 11:50:05 +0200:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:25:53AM +0200, Philipp
Überbacher wrote:
Yes, I'm rather sure it's the right connector. It's apparently called
Neutrik NP3RCS (a picture can be seen here:
http://www.redco.com/shopexd.asp?id=218)
But I just played with it again for the first time in years and figured
out it was my fault all along. When I plugged in the headphones I felt a
snap eventually. When I plugged in my cable I didn't feel that, instead
I noticed that I could move it in and out a fair bit. Well, turns out I
simply never had plugged it in all the way...
All this time I thought it doesn't fit and is thus totally broken, but
while it's probably not a great cable (one of the first things I
soldered) it works well enough.
Sorry for the fuss, thanks for making me try the cable again. Over are
the days when I had to use soundfonts for recording :)
Philipp
Really? Yamaha doesn't seem to test with
those then. I soldered TRS to
two TS connectors to be able to record my e-piano through its headphone
out. The TRS just doesn't fit, it seems to be too small, I can't get a
proper connection. The TRS of my old AKG headphones seems to fit
perfectly.
Are you shure you have a standard TRS then ? I've got some Neutriks
here, dimensions are perfectly OK. But I prefer Amphenols.
There is a TRS-like connector sometimes called a 'GPO jack', the
one used in manual telephone exchanges and in pro audio before
bantams became the norm. It has a smaller diameter tip and the
position of the ring is different as well. Don't know if Neutrik
makes them, they are kind of rare these days.
4:46 p.m.
On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 09:50 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
Neutrik sure does still make them, they are military style TB
connectors. I have an analog studio filled with patch bays that use
these.
They are sorta like TT connectors, but they are bigger.
Neutrik's part number is NP3TB-B
Neutrik's connector dimensions are fine. I have never seen a tolerance
issue with their stuff. SOMETIMES... with the older NP3C and NP2C
connectors, that BARREL was too big to allow many connectors to be
plugged in next to one another, but with the latest generation, they
have made the barrels smaller.
Best,
Rich...
Really? Yamaha
doesn't seem to test with those then. I soldered TRS to
two TS connectors to be able to record my e-piano through its headphone
out. The TRS just doesn't fit, it seems to be too small, I can't get a
proper connection. The TRS of my old AKG headphones seems to fit
perfectly.
Are you shure you have a standard TRS then ? I've got some Neutriks
here, dimensions are perfectly OK. But I prefer Amphenols.
There is a TRS-like connector sometimes called a 'GPO jack', the
one used in manual telephone exchanges and in pro audio before
bantams became the norm. It has a smaller diameter tip and the
position of the ring is different as well. Don't know if Neutrik
makes them, they are kind of rare these days. 
15 Jul
15 Jul
2:57 a.m.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 09:50:05AM +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:25:53AM +0200, Philipp
Überbacher wrote:
Heh. "Are you shure"? No, I'm AKG.
:-)
At least I wasn't Peavy.
-ken
Really? Yamaha doesn't seem to test with
those then. I soldered TRS to
two TS connectors to be able to record my e-piano through its headphone
out. The TRS just doesn't fit, it seems to be too small, I can't get a
proper connection. The TRS of my old AKG headphones seems to fit
perfectly.
Are you shure you have a standard TRS then ? I've got some Neutriks
here, dimensions are perfectly OK. But I prefer Amphenols.
10 Jul
10 Jul
4:58 p.m.
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 17:27 +0300, Moshe Werner wrote:
+1 on Neutrik, at least for XLR. For TRS 1/4" i
also use Rean, el
cheapo but still reliable.
Off-list I wrote that newer Neutrik XLRs seems to use another sort of
plastic.
The 6.3 jacks by Rean IMO seems to be better than Neutrik, but as I
mentioned before, I've got no long time experience.
4:42 p.m.
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 10:19 -0400, Ricardus Vincente wrote:
The newer Amphenol stuff us decent.
But I still prefer Neutrik. Yes, sometimes the plastic back-shell
cracks, but at the end of the day, I think it's an all-around better
connector.
Rich...
Rich, I completely agree that it's ok that Neutrik breaks after many
years, because, as I mentioned before, other connectors are quasi
unusable, e.g. 'semi-connecting' a jack to get a connection is bad,
very, very bad. Yes, Amphenol is what we use here for kleine Tuchel
today. Hard to get and very expensive here.
I try to get something for homerecording that is reliable (not for a
job, hence I need to pay for it myself ;). You are not the first who
'exhorted' me that Neutrik still is the best, even while this issue is
well known.
The problem for me is, that I guess the plastic will break, even if I
should store some connectors for emergency cases, without using them.
For a professional studio exchange of old by new is a continuous
process, but at home those things get broken at the most worse time and
then there's no replacement at hand.
Btw. those Rean connectors are Neutrik:
http://www.neutrik.com/content/home/home.aspx?portal=re&language=1
But I've got no experiences with those connectors, here the Rean
connectors are not older than 2 month ;).
Thank you for your reply,
Ralf
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