1 Dec
2004
1 Dec
'04
1:16 a.m.
Reuben Martin wrote:
what mobo did you get?
ASUS A7V333. This was more than two years ago though when it was the latest and greatest.
There are more up-to-date mobos than this one now. For people looking for mobos for AMD
procoessors, I would recommend VIA chipsets over Nvidia. The support is more mature for
VIA. AMD chipsets are also good, but not very common. If you want a 64 bit AMD processor,
I would wait for 64 bit support to mature a bit more. Give it another year or so.
-Reuben
Can we
start with mobo's? Any recommendations,
horror stories, successes are most welcome.
Stories? recommendations?
I built my own from scratch. I would actually recommend it as opposed to
prebuilt boxes because you can pick and choose hardware that will have
good linux support. I bought a VIA chipset mobo, AMD Athlon-XP, and an
RME audio card. Gentoo distro. No horror stories. (Well, I found I had a
bad memory stick when I was building it, but otherwise no complaints)
1 Dec
1 Dec
9:21 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Scratch-built DAW - what's your favorite?
Last Wednesday 01 December 2004 05:16, Reuben Martin was like:
ASUS A7V333. This was more than two years ago though
when it was the latest
and greatest. There are more up-to-date mobos than this one now. For people
looking for mobos for AMD procoessors, I would recommend VIA chipsets over
Nvidia. The support is more mature for VIA. AMD chipsets are also good, but
not very common. If you want a 64 bit AMD processor, I would wait for 64
bit support to mature a bit more. Give it another year or so.
I spend most of my time recycling equipment that the rest of you would
probably consider to be doorstops. On older MoBos you should avoid SiS
chipsets like the plague. I don't know if that's improved recently.
When I have a couple of hundred to spend, I'm surely going to treat myself and
put together a Linux-compatible DAW. All Macs are purpose built, many Windows
boxes are specifically designed and need to be considering the paucity of
drivers that come with XP. Although reconfiguring old Windows Office boxes to
run Debian always feels like some kind of victory, I'm always aware how much
these machines weren't designed to do what I'm trying to do with them. This
becomes more and more apparent as soon as you start trying to make music.
cheers
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
10:06 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Scratch-built DAW - what's your favorite?
tim hall wrote:
When I have a couple of hundred to spend, I'm surely going to treat myself and
put together a Linux-compatible DAW. All Macs are purpose built, many Windows
boxes are specifically designed and need to be considering the paucity of
drivers that come with XP. Although reconfiguring old Windows Office boxes to
run Debian always feels like some kind of victory, I'm always aware how much
these machines weren't designed to do what I'm trying to do with them. This
becomes more and more apparent as soon as you start trying to make music.
Indeed: apart from the issues with hardware compatibility and
performance, a PC based DAW needs to be acoustically quiet - a visit to
http://www.quietpc.com is probably in order while you're compiling your
shopping list.
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2:30 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Scratch-built DAW - what's your favorite?
On 1 December 2004 at 13:54, Anahata <anahata(a)treewind.co.uk> wrote:
Indeed: apart from the issues with hardware
compatibility and
performance, a PC based DAW needs to be acoustically quiet - a visit to
http://www.quietpc.com is probably in order while you're compiling your
shopping list.
I second that thought. I bought an Antec case, based on an
"Ultimate Linux Box" article in Linux Journal from a few years
back, as case vibration can be a noise source. All four of my
case fans, the CPU fan, and the power supply are from Quiet
PC. I also got some of their sound damping foam. I've got
resistors and speed regulators on all the fans to keep them
spinning slowly. After all that my CPU temperature under full
load for many minutes peaks at 41C; Intel specifies a maximum
operating temperature of something in the neighborhood of 95C.
The machine is so quiet that I get annoyed with the sound of the
lights in my home studio, and I'm annoyed with the noise of my
other PC in the house. Yes, quiet your PC and you'll be very
happy with it.
Cheers...
--
Kevin
11:19 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Scratch-built DAW - what's your favorite?
tim hall wrote:
I spend most of my time recycling equipment that the
rest of you would
probably consider to be doorstops. On older MoBos you should avoid SiS
chipsets like the plague. I don't know if that's improved recently.
When I have a couple of hundred to spend, I'm surely going to treat myself and
put together a Linux-compatible DAW. All Macs are purpose built, many Windows
boxes are specifically designed and need to be considering the paucity of
drivers that come with XP. Although reconfiguring old Windows Office boxes to
run Debian always feels like some kind of victory, I'm always aware how much
these machines weren't designed to do what I'm trying to do with them. This
becomes more and more apparent as soon as you start trying to make music.
I want to understand how the design of these (Win-centric) mobos are a
hindrance to running Linux. Can you explain what to look for in mobos to
run Linux -- especially for what we are concerned with? Are there mobos
on the market that are designed with Linux in mind or explicitly for Linux?
Maybe we could come up with a list of mobos that are
favorable/unfavorable for Linux (maybe one exists?) A list of mobos for
Linux-Audio would be preferable, but I think this is asking too much.
Maybe not.
brad
12:41 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Scratch-built DAW - what's your favorite?
On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 07:19 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote:
I want to understand how the design of these
(Win-centric) mobos are a
hindrance to running Linux.
As you examine cheaper hardware, you will find that vendors cut corners
by stripping away anything not needed to run Windows. Often they do
this by making the hardware dumber and pushing more functionality into
the driver. You saw this in the past with Winmodems. When Winmodems
came out I don't think you could even have used one on Linux if you had
a driver, because they require an RT task to do the DSP and Linux could
not have scheduled such a task reliably enough to keep from getting
booted and the kernel was not yet capable of that.
For example many of the cheaper onboard AC97 sound chipsets have no
hardware mixing and no hardware volume control - they rely on the
Windows kernel mixer. Since the equivalent technology on Linux is not
as mature we have problems. And since the crappiest hardware is
disproportionately affected, and requires the most work, many of the
issues don't get fixed.
Lee
8:12 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Scratch-built DAW - what's your favorite?
Lee Revell wrote:
On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 07:19 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote:
I see what you are saying.
Today, most mobos contain onboard audio (like the Realtek ALC850, 650).
Are there any that don't?
Any other audio-centric hw gotchas that one should look out for when
choosing a mobo?
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I want to understand how the design of these
(Win-centric) mobos are a
hindrance to running Linux.
As you examine cheaper hardware, you will find that vendors cut corners
by stripping away anything not needed to run Windows. Often they do
this by making the hardware dumber and pushing more functionality into
the driver. You saw this in the past with Winmodems. When Winmodems
came out I don't think you could even have used one on Linux if you had
a driver, because they require an RT task to do the DSP and Linux could
not have scheduled such a task reliably enough to keep from getting
booted and the kernel was not yet capable of that.
For example many of the cheaper onboard AC97 sound chipsets have no
hardware mixing and no hardware volume control - they rely on the
Windows kernel mixer. Since the equivalent technology on Linux is not
as mature we have problems. And since the crappiest hardware is
disproportionately affected, and requires the most work, many of the
issues don't get fixed.
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