Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: read: "dependencies of rpm", sorry. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__

Hallo, RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net hat gesagt: // RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net wrote: Oh, the horrors that were dselect. RIP. ;) I think, this is newer than apt, but I never used it. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__

On 10-Jul-2004 RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net wrote: } http://www.conectiva.com.br Conectiva originally put Synaptic together as a } cross-package thing... Maybe it will still work that way for .deb users? Strangely enough there's like a total of two mentions of this on the entire net {just looked}. I wonder if you could script Synaptic to pipe stuff through alien or maybe build the alien code into synaptic. Then CCRMA and Demudi/Agnula could work joyously together, get twice the amount of work done and twice the amount of sleep... all of linux audio could be one big happy family living joyously and happily together using debs and rpms with equal ease. {Then again... kpackage looks like it could almost do it out of the box... reads rpm, deb, whatever kiss is, slackware and bsd packages. ..."netwide" audio joy and happiness.} ---------------------------------- E-Mail: RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net Date: 10-Jul-2004 Time: 10:56:42 This message was sent by XFMail ----------------------------------

On 11-Jul-2004 Russell Hanaghan wrote: } On Sat, 2004-07-10 at 09:14, RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net wrote: } Good god! The man has lost his mind!! "joyously AND happily"? ... Well... Yes, yes I have. } "SLEEP"??? HA! 8~) } } 'course, I'd like to try a different distro with a light front end and } package based...If Thac gets sick up and fed with building all those MDK } rpm's (big repository of all the latest Linux DAW stuff) I'm basically } screwed because I don't have much luck building stuff on MDK. } } Just a side note...It's late, just got home from doing 2 gigs } today...Debugged the crap outta my FX box all week and thought it peachy } stable and it locked up on me toady in the middle of a gig! Ugh!! Oh } well...delayed the start of a set a few minutes but it did come back up. } } > {Then again... kpackage looks like it could almost do it out of the box... } > reads rpm, deb, whatever kiss is, slackware and bsd packages. } } So this has my eyebrow cocked to the north slightly...If I understand } correctly, On a Debian (?) based system, you can run this "kpackage" and } use any of the listed distro packages and not go thru dependency hell?? } Or can Kpackage do that on any Linux platform? Like on my Mandrake 10.0 } boxes and, I too, may experience "netwide audio joy and happiness"?? } > } > ..."netwide" audio joy and happiness.} It works on debian. You can still manage a trip to dependency hell if you use severely nonstandard packages but, for the most part, that will be short lived and related to that specific package. On Mandrake it would help you manage an archive of rpms, help out with updates, etc... It's not apt-enabled for rpms but you can always just download stuff. {Which still means that you have to mess with some stuff but will help you out considerably.} It really is an excellent package manager. http://docs.kde.org/en/3.2/kdeadmin/kpackage/ Screenshots do a much better job of explaining the functionality of the thing: http://www.general.uwa.edu.au/u/toivo/kpackage/ ---------------------------------- E-Mail: RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net Date: 11-Jul-2004 Time: 03:02:03 This message was sent by XFMail ----------------------------------

On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 01:16, RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net wrote: You know I've actually used this app. I tried a distro called ELX (?) I think it was in that as I recall. I didn't dig into it much and did not know what a Debian or a Soose wus! :) To be the quintesential dumb bunny again...So on MDK, I would use Kpackage to install MDK rpm's only? Or could I use .deb or RH or what ever other packages to install to my MDK system? I know this is a stretch even as I write it. But I've written it....and what is written must be ........sent!

Hi, måndagen den 12 juli 2004 09.34 skrev Anahata: This isn't specifically a problem with Mandrake, it works the same with pretty much any distribution. The packages are built for a target system that has specific versions of the core libraries, glibc etc. If you try and install this package on a system that has the same packaging system but not the same versions of core libraries it might get installed but it's not certain the binaries will work. (Also the distros does not put "stuff" in the same places but this is in my experience a lesser problem.) As you said, it is generally a good idea to only use packages specifically made for that distribution. Now, this might sound bad but in praktice it isn't a problem. All the popular distributions have a rather big community that produce packages for /it/ so there is generally no need to install a package from another source. There are always tradeoffs, the same argument could be used with mandrake and upgrading to cooker. Being on the edge is often a trying experience, regardless if you use Mandrake, Debian or any other distro. /Robert -- http://spamatica.se/music/

Kpackage isn't a packaging system. It's just an application to ease administration of packages. I think it was, once, the default administration tool in mandrake (but I'm not sure). Mandrake has for many years now had it's version of apt-get called urpmi, which is a layer ontop of rpm to ease installation of packages and it's dependencies. There are quite a few urpmi repositories out on the net. See the other mail I sent about that. In short, it does not work in general. Indeed ;) /Robert -- http://spamatica.se/music/

Last Sunday 11 July 2004 08:19, Russell Hanaghan was like: It is possible to avoid dependency hell using apt and therefore that is the reality for most package management GUIs on Debian-based systems, yes. cheers tim hall

On 11-Jul-2004 tim hall wrote: } Last Saturday 10 July 2004 17:14, RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net was like: } > _I wonder if you could script Synaptic to pipe stuff through alien or maybe } > build the alien code into synaptic. } } Synaptic is basically just a front-end for apt, so maybe? You still got differences in package formats and system layouts. I think it might be best to make the changes in whatever package manager... {Apt is holy... mucking about with apt probably violates several internet commandments.} I suppose you could just get all your rpms or debs together in one spot and type "alien -d or -r or whatever" and magically transform them all at once... It's just not the same as watching apt-get do it's little dance on the command line or having the whole thing taken care of for you in synaptic... ---------------------------------- E-Mail: RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net Date: 12-Jul-2004 Time: 03:16:18 This message was sent by XFMail ----------------------------------

On 10-Jul-2004 Robin Millette wrote: } RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net wrote: } } > dselect } > kpackage } } aptitude is the new name in town. :} Not really. I've not used it in maybe 7 or 8 years. From what I remember it had a lot of potential. I tried to get it to work with apt on redhat a few months ago... 'twas no go. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net Date: 10-Jul-2004 Time: 03:37:19 This message was sent by XFMail ----------------------------------

RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net writes: We where talking about Agnula/DeMuDi where I do use aptitude without problems. On a redhat/fedora based system (Planet CCRMA) I guess you better use 'apt-get' like the documentation says. Robert Epprecht

RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net wrote: I know it's not all that new, but it's finally offered thru the new installer, besides dselect and tasksel. I dug this out of the changelog: "aptitude (0.0.6a-1) unstable; urgency=low * Initial Release * Daniel Burrows <Daniel_Burrows(a)brown.edu> Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:58:13 -0500" Time flies it's true, but not that fast ;) -- Robin Millette (aka Lord D. Nattor) http://rym.waglo.com/wordpress/

Frank Barknecht wrote : Are deb packages available for kernels/rpms in the Planet CCRMA collection? And what else is better from a system setup/maintenance point of view? I've been curious about debian lately, Marv

On Fri, 2004-07-09 at 12:36, Frank Barknecht wrote: I simply meant that you didn't have to go and get rpm's. As far as dependencies go Planet CCRMA handles all that. I used to do it brute force but I really like what Fernando has done with the planet. My first install was 0.99 kernel in 1993, no distros at that time - that was a PITA ;-) You're right though, unless you're administering many systems it's a one shot deal. The planet is just push button so far. I haven't had any problems loading anything even when I want the latest and load from source (very seldom - last time was testing TAP plugins for Tom). I set up a system for my drummer so he could use Ardour and it hasn't been online for 6 months. I went over to his place today because his Windoze box died and he wanted to put the Linux box online. Two commands and he was up to date: apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade I'm not Red Hat centric - I think any distro is probably fine. It's just that I am very impressed with the work that Fernando has done with the planet. It's the fastest, simplest way to set up a Linux DAW that I know of. Jan