10 Feb
2016
10 Feb
'16
1:37 a.m.
I do not know much about soundcloud. I know how to upload and I used
to know how to enable download of files (I'll have to recheck what Set
and/or others have written here about this :)
For instance, I do not know the context much. How people scan for
files, how people try to sell stuff like services or such (I have the
impression that some attention a file may gather has nothing to do with
the music).
So on my latest upload someone has put a picture/comment on the track,
to the effect that 'this is a nice picture where I would like to be'.
When NOT logged into the account I clicked on this to see what it is
about then I clicked on the picture itself. At that point Konqueror
froze completely and the desktop went a bit jerky. So I killed -9
konqueror. I did not pursue any investigation as to why it happened.
Just to let you know. It might turn out that everyone knows much more
about soundcloud than I do and are aware of possible mishaps.
Cheers.
11 Feb
11 Feb
1:58 p.m.
On 2016-02-10 01:37, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote:
I do not know much about soundcloud. I know how to
upload and I used
to know how to enable download of files (I'll have to recheck what Set
and/or others have written here about this :)
For instance, I do not know the context much. How people scan for
files, how people try to sell stuff like services or such (I have the
impression that some attention a file may gather has nothing to do with
the music).
So on my latest upload someone has put a picture/comment on the track,
to the effect that 'this is a nice picture where I would like to be'.
When NOT logged into the account I clicked on this to see what it is
about then I clicked on the picture itself. At that point Konqueror
froze completely and the desktop went a bit jerky. So I killed -9
konqueror. I did not pursue any investigation as to why it happened.
Just to let you know. It might turn out that everyone knows much more
about soundcloud than I do and are aware of possible mishaps.
Cheers.
I'm not aware of any specific mishaps, but i don't have flash and it
works. Perhaps they still have flash as default?
However, i thinker a lot about distribution in our times. A pro-account
on soundcloud cost the same as VPS on gandi. But the soundcloud account
wont let you express yourself as freely. Soundcloud and other services
alike are brands per-se, hence everytime one post a link to a service
like that, one is effectively promoting the brand, before oneslef. I
think all those services are the ones who have understood where the
music money is: in the musicians pocket. Thats why they want you so bad
to join them. At the end of the day, if you are doing promotion for
yourself, your URL is your own brand. And you probably want people to
connect to something where you have control over your terms and
condition, rather than to some 3rd part service and their hard to
understand ToS written in legal tongues.
I see these services fit, embedded in a post one your own website. As
standalone, since all of those services are prone to the myspace-death,
you don't want to spend time promoting that, effectively risking having
to start over the entire promotion process. You better promote the post
on your own website where the song is embeded, because if the service
dies, you just embed another one on the same page, and the URL is safe. :)
I see it like this: to reach out, be EVERYWHERE, and use ALL services.
BUT use them as satelites to your own URL. Not the other way around. It
makes me sad to find artist-pages being mere links to facebook and
whatnot. It's like they are not interested in creating album-art, or
giving me an experience they just want my demographics. And how hard can
it be to sell music on your website? Well, probably equally hard as to
sell files on the internet.
In the particular case of soundcloud, most users are also musicians. It
dosen't mean you cannot be discovered there, but it's good to keep in
mind that your profile share the same space as your porential
competitors. Although feedback on that particular service is generally
positive, in my experience.
TL;DR Be everywhere, use all services as links or audiohosts to/for your
OWN webpage.
Best of luck!
--
Set Sakrecoer
5:29 p.m.
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 13:58:21 +0100
set <public(a)sakrecoer.com> wrote:
<snip>
TL;DR Be everywhere, use all services as links or
audiohosts to/for your
OWN webpage.
Best of luck!
Excellent well thought out post.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
12 Feb
12 Feb
12:15 a.m.
On 02/11/2016 07:58 AM, set wrote:
On 2016-02-10 01:37, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote:
<snip>
I see these services fit, embedded in a post one your
own website. As
standalone, since all of those services are prone to the myspace-death,
you don't want to spend time promoting that, effectively risking having
to start over the entire promotion process. You better promote the post
on your own website where the song is embeded, because if the service
dies, you just embed another one on the same page, and the URL is safe. :)
I see it like this: to reach out, be EVERYWHERE, and use ALL services.
BUT use them as satelites to your own URL. Not the other way around. It
makes me sad to find artist-pages being mere links to facebook and
whatnot. It's like they are not interested in creating album-art, or
giving me an experience they just want my demographics. And how hard can
it be to sell music on your website? Well, probably equally hard as to
sell files on the internet.
All well and good, but I can tell you first hand that when I was
actually making money creating arrangements and orchestrations, there
was absolutely no time nor money to develop and maintain (or pay someone
to maintain) my own web site -- multitasking is the biggest fallacy of
the modern era, you excel at something or are mediocre at many things
... jack of all trades, master of none.
David
12:57 a.m.
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 18:14:59 -0500
David Santamauro <david.santamauro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
All well and good, but I can tell you first hand that
when I was
actually making money creating arrangements and orchestrations, there
was absolutely no time nor money to develop and maintain (or pay
someone to maintain) my own web site -- multitasking is the biggest
fallacy of the modern era, you excel at something or are mediocre at
many things ... jack of all trades, master of none.
It is, IMHO, more complex than this. The very first obvious parameter
here are the inherent capabilities of a person in software
development/design and implementation. I do not mean necessarily to
make a web site from scratch. What I mean is practical experience in
software already predisposes someone favourably when comes the time to
put a web site together using existing components.
The other notion would be what is becoming master at something and
why ? Is it to be 'competitive on the market' ? If so, some people
might consider that they do not want to be beside Beyoncé. And the
market product of Beyoncé is some kind of a mastering at many level.
Some people will never play like Al Di Meola or that other guy that was
in Mahavishnu Orchestra ah, John McLaughlin. Or Fripp. Well, Neil
Young does not play like them, quite the contrary in fact. Being a
master of playing 3 notes in one second for 3 minutes might not be as
good as playing only 20 notes inside 3 minutes.
Good at doing something with creativity and honesty is already very
worthwhile.
So it depends a lot on the person.
10:47 a.m.
On 2016-02-12 00:57, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote:
Good at doing something with creativity and honesty is
already very
worthwhile.
So it depends a lot on the person.
I very much reach you in your thoughts here, Jonetsu :)
I forgot to write it was one of the reason a agree with David Santamauro
to "a certain extend".
As an addendum to my previous email; a static music-site involves pretty
much 0 maintenance, and is very easy to migrate or backup, since you
need nothing like php and properly configured databases. Also, yes, the
packaging has importance, but it is still possible to rely on the music
alone. Good music, whatever that maybe to any given person, has
mysterious ways... :)
Yours,
--
Set Sakrecoer
9:50 a.m.
On 2016-02-12 00:14, David Santamauro wrote:
All well and good, but I can tell you first hand that
when I was
actually making money creating arrangements and orchestrations, there
was absolutely no time nor money to develop and maintain (or pay someone
to maintain) my own web site -- multitasking is the biggest fallacy of
the modern era, you excel at something or are mediocre at many things
... jack of all trades, master of none.
I agree to a certain extend. In my development, you may have noticed i
am mostly writing about /URL's/ and it is for a reason: there are many
very handy solutions for deploying a website, including free ones. The
means to do so are not so important in my meaning, what i was trying to
underline is the importance to _own_ your /own/ brand. Also i think to
the younger generation, html, css, computer graphic-tools and the
requirements to build a website come very naturally. But i may be biased
by optimism and the talent of the youngsters surrounding me.
On a different note, I have the chance to hang around quite a few
millennials, and its interesting to see what band-landscape the
one-man-and-a-computer situation has generated for them; a band is no
longer a group of musicians. It has shifted towards a constellation of:
one musician, a camera man, an internet geek, a graphics/fashion
designer and a make-up artist. And often, they find a way to all have
something to do on stage during live-shows. And often they interchange
roles for different projects. Basically, each member in the "band" is
bringing a set of skills to push the music out there. And often the
music is just one element of the hole packaging. Good music alone is
oftentimes not alone. This, i think, is partially what generates the
impression that jonetsu describes in OP:
On 2016-02-10 01:37, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote:
(I have the impression that some attention a file may
gather has
nothing to do with the music).
Indeed, it is also about the packaging, the stance of the "gang" around
it, the visuals, the dressing-codes. But it isn't the sole reason, of
course.
So, basically, i'm not saying the right way is to become the king/queen
of web-publishing, i'm saying, you should own your brand. And find
solutions that fit to this model and suits you, be it collaborative
solutions, or tools that enable you to have a website without being a
programmer.
This makes me want to push for the solution that Urs Fleischer, the
creator of kid3 provided to us, i might have posted it before. This
software is a GUI to tag your audio-files according to the current
standards: http://kid3.sourceforge.net/
it includes a set of exporting tools, that allows you to generate a
static site (static, hence deplloying is drag and drop to your web
folder). Combined with this script that he wrote and i layed-out:
https://github.com/Sakrecoer/kid3HTML5
You basically have a one-click web-publishing tool. And its not the
first nor the last one of these tools that we are going to see, coming
from the freesoftware community. I know Zirafa from
http://www.pushtape.com/ is working on an amazing solution as i type.
Yours,
--
Set Sakrecoer
18 Feb
18 Feb
9:46 a.m.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 09:50:29AM +0100, set wrote:
On a different note, I have the chance to hang around quite a few
millennials, and its interesting to see what band-landscape the
one-man-and-a-computer situation has generated for them; a band is no
longer a group of musicians. It has shifted towards a constellation of:
one musician, a camera man, an internet geek, a graphics/fashion
designer and a make-up artist. And often, they find a way to all have
something to do on stage during live-shows.
Then they're not "part of"/a "band" are they? Remember, the road
crew and
mixer etc were never part of the band.
The cheek of the young un's today, eh? Get away with anything if they
could! :)
--
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who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the
oppressing." --- Malcolm X
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