8 Jul
2004
8 Jul
'04
3:29 p.m.
Still have some light "snap, crackle and pop" problems here. They don't
seem to be related to X-runs. I set Qjackctl in "Soft mode" but don't
know if that matters?
I have run this thing 8 ways 'till Sunday! Forget 96kHz! It does it
intermittently with Chorus on a single mixer channel in Ardour patched
in Qjackctl from the Mic preamp in 1 of the 1010 to the Ardour channel
with Chorus LADSPA plugin and then out to output 5 of the card and into
my mixer. I also run reverb in another channel with dedicated I/O's from
the sound card as I do with a delay. I have raised the buffer rates and
tried different (lower) sample rates. etc. I have /tmp setup as tmpfs
although Gnome system monitor does not always show that it is there?
I'm using the "default" setting in Qjackctl. I have not been able to get
a .asoundrc setup for HW:0 that gives me the 8 ins and outs. Would this
be part of the problem?
This is on an Asus A7V8X-MX SE Mobo with 2500 Athalon XP. 512M
Ram...Delta is the ONLY card in the PCI slots. Onboard audio disabled.
ALL unnecessary peripheral stuff turned off in BIOS. Delta on IRQ 10
with nothing but system devices on prior interrupts. All in Mandrake
10.0 running the tried and tested 2.4.22mm kernel. All being run as
root.
It is close in terms of quality but for this intermittent popping. I
have 2 gigs Saturday and am running out of ideas.
Desperately yours, ;/
Russell
8 Jul
8 Jul
3:56 p.m.
On 08-Jul-2004 Russell Hanaghan wrote:
} Still have some light "snap, crackle and pop" problems here. They don't
} seem to be related to X-runs. I set Qjackctl in "Soft mode" but don't
} know if that matters?
}
} I have run this thing 8 ways 'till Sunday! Forget 96kHz! It does it
} intermittently with Chorus on a single mixer channel in Ardour patched
} in Qjackctl from the Mic preamp in 1 of the 1010 to the Ardour channel
} with Chorus LADSPA plugin and then out to output 5 of the card and into
} my mixer. I also run reverb in another channel with dedicated I/O's from
} the sound card as I do with a delay. I have raised the buffer rates and
} tried different (lower) sample rates. etc. I have /tmp setup as tmpfs
} although Gnome system monitor does not always show that it is there?
}
} I'm using the "default" setting in Qjackctl. I have not been able to get
} a .asoundrc setup for HW:0 that gives me the 8 ins and outs. Would this
} be part of the problem?
}
} This is on an Asus A7V8X-MX SE Mobo with 2500 Athalon XP. 512M
} Ram...Delta is the ONLY card in the PCI slots. Onboard audio disabled.
} ALL unnecessary peripheral stuff turned off in BIOS. Delta on IRQ 10
} with nothing but system devices on prior interrupts. All in Mandrake
} 10.0 running the tried and tested 2.4.22mm kernel. All being run as
} root.
}
} It is close in terms of quality but for this intermittent popping. I
} have 2 gigs Saturday and am running out of ideas.
You have the same problem with other cards? {Like the onboard}
Switched pci slots?
Is it possible it's some other hardware {like cables} problem?
Why are you thinking it's a software problem?
Got an alternative? {You don't have time to be screwing around.}
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4:19 p.m.
On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 10:45, RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net wrote:
On 08-Jul-2004 Russell Hanaghan wrote:
} Still have some light "snap, crackle and pop" problems here. They don't
} seem to be related to X-runs. I set Qjackctl in "Soft mode" but don't
} know if that matters?
}
} I have run this thing 8 ways 'till Sunday! Forget 96kHz! It does it
} intermittently with Chorus on a single mixer channel in Ardour patched
} in Qjackctl from the Mic preamp in 1 of the 1010 to the Ardour channel
} with Chorus LADSPA plugin and then out to output 5 of the card and into
} my mixer. I also run reverb in another channel with dedicated I/O's from
} the sound card as I do with a delay. I have raised the buffer rates and
} tried different (lower) sample rates. etc. I have /tmp setup as tmpfs
} although Gnome system monitor does not always show that it is there?
}
} I'm using the "default" setting in Qjackctl. I have not been able to
get
} a .asoundrc setup for HW:0 that gives me the 8 ins and outs. Would this
} be part of the problem?
}
} This is on an Asus A7V8X-MX SE Mobo with 2500 Athalon XP. 512M
} Ram...Delta is the ONLY card in the PCI slots. Onboard audio disabled.
} ALL unnecessary peripheral stuff turned off in BIOS. Delta on IRQ 10
} with nothing but system devices on prior interrupts. All in Mandrake
} 10.0 running the tried and tested 2.4.22mm kernel. All being run as
} root.
}
} It is close in terms of quality but for this intermittent popping. I
} have 2 gigs Saturday and am running out of ideas.
You have the same problem with other cards? {Like the onboard}
Have not tried it in this setup but I guess I need too.
Switched pci slots?
Did a lot of that in trying to get the interrupt order sorted but not
sound tested...will do that too.
Is it possible it's some other hardware {like
cables} problem?
Why are you thinking it's a software problem?
Just sounds like when you have
buffers too low, etc but not as bad.
Other than that not any solid evidence that it is software. It does not
sound like a cable problem typically would...like hum, or maybe crackle
if something is disturbed.
Got an alternative? {You don't have time to be
screwing around.}
Yup! Cyanide! :) I guess I do in a pinch but it's ugly!!
R~
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4:46 p.m.
On 08-Jul-2004 Russell Hanaghan wrote:
} On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 10:45, RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net wrote:
} > Got an alternative? {You don't have time to be screwing around.}
}
} Yup! Cyanide! :) I guess I do in a pinch but it's ugly!!
The plugin would just mask noise with more noise.
The bottle {powder?} wouldn't fix your crackle and everyone would just be all
pissed off at you for not delivering.
I meant another card.
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5:35 p.m.
On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 11:34, RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net wrote:
On 08-Jul-2004 Russell Hanaghan wrote:
} On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 10:45, RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net wrote:
} > Got an alternative? {You don't have time to be screwing around.}
}
} Yup! Cyanide! :) I guess I do in a pinch but it's ugly!!
The plugin would just mask noise with more noise.
The bottle {powder?} wouldn't fix your crackle and everyone would just be all
pissed off at you for not delivering.
I meant another card.
:) Yeah I know. I'm getting swamped with too much other stuff! I don't
mean to get lazy and use the LAU as my crutch; I want and try to answer
some stuff my self by way of contributing back and also solve problems
myself. Linux is bloody complex no matter what way you look at it!! And
deliver...Yup! I'm that kinda guy....so...When I get a chance latter
today I'll plug my trusty old SBLive 5.1 back in and see what it does.
R~
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5:29 p.m.
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 10:19:41 -0700
Russell Hanaghan <hanaghan(a)starband.net> wrote:
Still have some light "snap, crackle and
pop" problems here. They don't
seem to be related to X-runs.
I was having some big problems with noises and distortion for a while.
It turns out that I had some mismatches on the dB level of my gear.
Some worked at -10dB, some at +4dB. When I mixed and matched it, I
had some baaaad sounds for a while.
I don't know how/if the 1010LT lets you change these settings, but it
might be worth looking at.
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5:56 p.m.
On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 12:20, Joe Hartley wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 10:19:41 -0700
Russell Hanaghan <hanaghan(a)starband.net> wrote:
Hmmm. I hear it mostly on the ch 1 input of the 1010. Now this channel
is provided with a mic preamp and it is adjustable via a jumper on the
card from (I think) +4 to -10. I use this channel because the output of
my Takamine is relatively low. I dont hear much distortion (unless I
thump into my axe a bit) but more subtle pops at random intervals.
But I buss the other fx in seperate mixer channels in Ardour back out to
seperate channels of the card. I am pretty sure I hear the odd pop in
the reverb and delays as well.
R~
R~
Still have some light "snap, crackle and
pop" problems here. They don't
seem to be related to X-runs.
I was having some big problems with noises and distortion for a while.
It turns out that I had some mismatches on the dB level of my gear.
Some worked at -10dB, some at +4dB. When I mixed and matched it, I
had some baaaad sounds for a while.
I don't know how/if the 1010LT lets you change these settings, but it
might be worth looking at. 
9 Jul
9 Jul
1:59 a.m.
I missed the beginning of this thread, so forgive me if this has already
been covered. Did you try listening through the onboard mixer at all?
This removes the software from the equation. Use envy24control and route
the first 2 channels through the onboard mixer, then listen for your
crackles/pops/snaps. My delta 1010lt performs flawlessly on linux
(fedora core 1).
-Joe
On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 15:46, Russell Hanaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 12:20, Joe Hartley wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 10:19:41 -0700
Russell Hanaghan <hanaghan(a)starband.net> wrote:
Hmmm. I hear it mostly on the ch 1 input of the 1010. Now this channel
is provided with a mic preamp and it is adjustable via a jumper on the
card from (I think) +4 to -10. I use this channel because the output of
my Takamine is relatively low. I dont hear much distortion (unless I
thump into my axe a bit) but more subtle pops at random intervals.
But I buss the other fx in seperate mixer channels in Ardour back out to
seperate channels of the card. I am pretty sure I hear the odd pop in
the reverb and delays as well.
R~
R~
Still have some light "snap, crackle and
pop" problems here. They don't
seem to be related to X-runs.
I was having some big problems with noises and distortion for a while.
It turns out that I had some mismatches on the dB level of my gear.
Some worked at -10dB, some at +4dB. When I mixed and matched it, I
had some baaaad sounds for a while.
I don't know how/if the 1010LT lets you change these settings, but it
might be worth looking at.
4:40 a.m.
On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 20:49, Joseph Dell'Orfano wrote:
I missed the beginning of this thread, so forgive me
if this has already
been covered. Did you try listening through the onboard mixer at all?
This removes the software from the equation. Use envy24control and route
the first 2 channels through the onboard mixer, then listen for your
crackles/pops/snaps. My delta 1010lt performs flawlessly on linux
(fedora core 1).
-Joe
No I didn't...but thanks for the idea.
I think I have a handle on this. And mush thanks to Mr Depner for
helping me out with an .asoundrc question.
To provide the solution after all my bleating:
I had been using the "default" alsa setting in Qjackctl. I had this
nagging feeling that setting up an .asoundrc as I have always done in
the past would resolve this, or at least help. I read somewhere that the
"default" setting is not as efficient? Anyway, no amount of googling
would give me enough info for an .asounrc config for the 8 analgue I/O's
(or so it seemed to my sublime ignorance). I tried several different
configs and each way I entered them thru Qjackctl would not provide
success.
Finally, I read Jan's how to again and looking at his script and knowing
he is also using the 1010, I saw he had the generic .asoundrc from the
Alsa site. I e-mailed him asking how and if, in fact, he gets the 8
I/O's showing in the Connect pannel of Qjackctl. He was kind enough to
indulge me and said that he is now using the .asoundrc that is listed
for a "hoontech" card with the Envy24 chip on the bottom of the Envy24
pages in the Alsa site Details and docs. So I figured I'd plug it in and
see...
I fired up Qjackctl again and tried the usual "hw:0" and "default"
settings. None would connect at first. Then I tried setting the
"channels" widgets to "0" where I had been setting them to either 2
or
8. I set to hw:0 and ........WAHLAA! Finally!!! This .asoundrc actually
sets up for 12 ins and 10 outs. It's including the digital I/O's as well
for the needs of whomever wrote this particular one. And in point of
fact the CPU usage shown is lower using this and less call backs than
the "default" setting.
Been farting around with it for several hours now and not one "Snap,
crackle nor pop!" Been using the 2.6.7 kernel with all the realtime
goodies to see if it is better now I have a good configuration for my
card. It seems to be...
So, it seems I'm up. (Throws salt over shoulder) I have a rehearsal
tomorrow night so it will get a work out.
Thanks for the replies and hints. And Thanks Jan for pointing me where
I'd already been but didn't know I was there and removing all doubt! :)
Russell
On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 15:46, Russell Hanaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 12:20, Joe Hartley wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 10:19:41 -0700
Russell Hanaghan <hanaghan(a)starband.net> wrote:
Hmmm. I hear it mostly on the ch 1 input of the 1010. Now this channel
is provided with a mic preamp and it is adjustable via a jumper on the
card from (I think) +4 to -10. I use this channel because the output of
my Takamine is relatively low. I dont hear much distortion (unless I
thump into my axe a bit) but more subtle pops at random intervals.
But I buss the other fx in seperate mixer channels in Ardour back out to
seperate channels of the card. I am pretty sure I hear the odd pop in
the reverb and delays as well.
R~
R~
Still have some light "snap, crackle and
pop" problems here. They don't
seem to be related to X-runs.
I was having some big problems with noises and distortion for a while.
It turns out that I had some mismatches on the dB level of my gear.
Some worked at -10dB, some at +4dB. When I mixed and matched it, I
had some baaaad sounds for a while.
I don't know how/if the 1010LT lets you change these settings, but it
might be worth looking at.
6:34 a.m.
On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 23:30, Russell Hanaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 20:49, Joseph Dell'Orfano
wrote:
My NEXT major quest.....Learning haw tu spall! doh!
R~
I missed the beginning of this thread, so forgive
me if this has already
been covered. Did you try listening through the onboard mixer at all?
This removes the software from the equation. Use envy24control and route
the first 2 channels through the onboard mixer, then listen for your
crackles/pops/snaps. My delta 1010lt performs flawlessly on linux
(fedora core 1).
-Joe
No I didn't...but thanks for the idea.
I think I have a handle on this. And mush thanks to Mr Depner for
helping me out with an .asoundrc question.
To provide the solution after all my bleating:
I had been using the "default" alsa setting in Qjackctl. I had this
nagging feeling that setting up an .asoundrc as I have always done in
the past would resolve this, or at least help. I read somewhere that the
"default" setting is not as efficient? Anyway, no amount of googling
would give me enough info for an .asounrc config for the 8 analgue I/O's
(or so it seemed to my sublime ignorance). I tried several different
configs and each way I entered them thru Qjackctl would not provide
success.
Finally, I read Jan's how to again and looking at his script and knowing
he is also using the 1010, I saw he had the generic .asoundrc from the
Alsa site. I e-mailed him asking how and if, in fact, he gets the 8
I/O's showing in the Connect pannel of Qjackctl. He was kind enough to
indulge me and said that he is now using the .asoundrc that is listed
for a "hoontech" card with the Envy24 chip on the bottom of the Envy24
pages in the Alsa site Details and docs. So I figured I'd plug it in and
see...
I fired up Qjackctl again and tried the usual "hw:0" and "default"
settings. None would connect at first. Then I tried setting the
"channels" widgets to "0" where I had been setting them to either 2
or
8. I set to hw:0 and ........WAHLAA! Finally!!! This .asoundrc actually
sets up for 12 ins and 10 outs. It's including the digital I/O's as well
for the needs of whomever wrote this particular one. And in point of
fact the CPU usage shown is lower using this and less call backs than
the "default" setting.
Been farting around with it for several hours now and not one "Snap,
crackle nor pop!" Been using the 2.6.7 kernel with all the realtime
goodies to see if it is better now I have a good configuration for my
card. It seems to be...
So, it seems I'm up. (Throws salt over shoulder) I have a rehearsal
tomorrow night so it will get a work out.
Thanks for the replies and hints. And Thanks Jan for pointing me where
I'd already been but didn't know I was there and removing all doubt! :)
Russell
On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 15:46, Russell Hanaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 12:20, Joe Hartley wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 10:19:41 -0700
Russell Hanaghan <hanaghan(a)starband.net> wrote:
> Still have some light "snap, crackle and pop" problems here. They
don't
> seem to be related to X-runs.
I was having some big problems with noises and distortion for a while.
It turns out that I had some mismatches on the dB level of my gear.
Some worked at -10dB, some at +4dB. When I mixed and matched it, I
had some baaaad sounds for a while.
I don't know how/if the 1010LT lets you change these settings, but it
might be worth looking at.
Hmmm. I hear it mostly on the ch 1 input of the 1010. Now this channel
is provided with a mic preamp and it is adjustable via a jumper on the
card from (I think) +4 to -10. I use this channel because the output of
my Takamine is relatively low. I dont hear much distortion (unless I
thump into my axe a bit) but more subtle pops at random intervals.
But I buss the other fx in seperate mixer channels in Ardour back out to
seperate channels of the card. I am pretty sure I hear the odd pop in
the reverb and delays as well.
R~
R~
7:49 a.m.
I fired up Qjackctl again and tried the usual
"hw:0" and "default"
settings. None would connect at first. Then I tried setting the
"channels" widgets to "0" where I had been setting them to either 2
or 8. I set to hw:0 and ........WAHLAA! Finally!!! This .asoundrc
actually sets up for 12 ins and 10 outs.
I still wonder what those channel options are for. I get multiple
inputs with the value set to zero, and yet if I change the value to
the actual number of inputs I don't.
Cheers
Daniel
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