14 Dec
2003
14 Dec
'03
7:14 p.m.
I know that this is something of a FAQ, but I've been trawling the net
for a couple of days and could not find an answer. So, apologies if I'm
acting a bit clueless or lazy ...
Anyway.
I would like to set up synchronisation of ardour
(ardour-0.9beta9-1.rhfc1.ccrma) and rosegarden
(rosegarden4-0.9.5-1.rhfc1.ccrma) on Fedora. I have tried _many_
combinations of setting ardour and rosegarden as slave and master, and
using MIDI or jack master/slave systems. No joy.
It is possible? And if so, how?
I am willing, once I find out how, to write it up and contribute it to
some FAQ or WWW site, e.g. http://www.djcj.org/LAU/quicktoots/
TIA,
John.
John Williams
Department of Marketing
Otago University
Dunedin, New Zealand
14 Dec
14 Dec
10:44 p.m.
John Williams wrote:
I would like to set up synchronisation of ardour
(ardour-0.9beta9-1.rhfc1.ccrma) and rosegarden
(rosegarden4-0.9.5-1.rhfc1.ccrma) on Fedora. I have tried _many_
combinations of setting ardour and rosegarden as slave and master, and
using MIDI or jack master/slave systems. No joy.
It is possible? And if so, how?
Synchronisation is a hot topic for me as well. As far as I understand
it, if you want to sync 2 programs your best bet is to use jack
master/slave. Ardour currently syncs with jack. In other words, after
making the proper settings in Ardour and you press play in Ardour you
can see the jack transport move as well - which to me is a sign of great
hope. I have heard that the CVS version of Hydrogen also syncs with
jack. I have read in the MusE list that they have got it working as
well since the last stable release (0.6.2) - so it's possible that if
you tried the CVS version it would work - although there are 2 different
development trees and I don't know which one you should try. I don't
know about the status of Rosegarden. Anyways - In summary it is getting
really close. I'd love to hear if you make any further progress. Also
if anyone else has better information please correct me.
Thomas Hemba
15 Dec
15 Dec
1:43 a.m.
do you mind saying a little more about jack transport, ie: step by steps?
I'm to understand you just let it do its job, there's nothing to do, but I
have not experienced this phenomenon :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Hemba" <tomhemba(a)bigfoot.com>
To: "A list for linux audio users" <linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Syncing Ardour and Rosegarden (or Muse)
John Williams wrote:
I would like to set up synchronisation of ardour
(ardour-0.9beta9-1.rhfc1.ccrma) and rosegarden
(rosegarden4-0.9.5-1.rhfc1.ccrma) on Fedora. I have tried _many_
combinations of setting ardour and rosegarden as slave and master, and
using MIDI or jack master/slave systems. No joy.
It is possible? And if so, how?
Synchronisation is a hot topic for me as well. As far as I understand
it, if you want to sync 2 programs your best bet is to use jack
master/slave. Ardour currently syncs with jack. In other words, after
making the proper settings in Ardour and you press play in Ardour you
can see the jack transport move as well - which to me is a sign of great
hope. I have heard that the CVS version of Hydrogen also syncs with
jack. I have read in the MusE list that they have got it working as
well since the last stable release (0.6.2) - so it's possible that if
you tried the CVS version it would work - although there are 2 different
development trees and I don't know which one you should try. I don't
know about the status of Rosegarden. Anyways - In summary it is getting
really close. I'd love to hear if you make any further progress. Also
if anyone else has better information please correct me.
Thomas Hemba
3:35 a.m.
On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 20:39, Aaron Trumm wrote:
do you mind saying a little more about jack transport,
ie: step by steps?
I'm to understand you just let it do its job, there's nothing to do, but I
have not experienced this phenomenon :)
I'm not sure what you're asking. I merely want to use ardour to tell
muse, rosegarden or even hydrogen to:
(1) Start
(2) Stop
(3) Rewind
Does that answer your question?
-----------------------
John Williams
Department of Marketing
Otago University
Dunedin, New Zealand
4:08 a.m.
John Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 20:39, Aaron Trumm wrote:
It's very dependant on the apps having upto date JACK transport support.
Ardour is still a little behind I think.
Your best bet is syncing jamin with alsaplayer ATM :)
IIUC One of the apps has to be set as timebase master then jack should
take care of the rest. Unfortunately there are stillissues with getting
accurate sync. They are being worked on.
A quicktoot for this will be much appreciated.
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do you mind saying a little more about jack
transport, ie: step by steps?
I'm to understand you just let it do its job, there's nothing to do, but I
have not experienced this phenomenon :)
I'm not sure what you're asking. I merely want to use ardour to tell
muse, rosegarden or even hydrogen to:
(1) Start
(2) Stop
(3) Rewind
Does that answer your question?
2:45 p.m.
John Williams <jwilliams(a)business.otago.ac.nz> writes:
I'm not sure what you're asking. I merely
want to use ardour to tell
muse, rosegarden or even hydrogen to:
(1) Start
(2) Stop
(3) Rewind
Recent versions of ardour will issue these commands. It still does
not obey similar commands issued by some other client, there is work
going on to do that, too.
Hydrogen and ecasound will follow these commands. Neither MUSE nor
rosegarden have yet released this ability. Both are actively working
on it, I believe.
We all want this to happen, but it takes time. First, to get the
infrastructure in place (which it is). Then, to match up with the
release schedules of many groups of developers (still on-going).
--
joq
5:34 p.m.
On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 07:43, Jack O'Quin wrote:
John Williams <jwilliams(a)business.otago.ac.nz>
writes:
Yes, that works for me.
I'm not sure what you're asking. I
merely want to use ardour to tell
muse, rosegarden or even hydrogen to:
(1) Start
(2) Stop
(3) Rewind
Recent versions of ardour will issue these commands. Hydrogen and ecasound will follow these commands.
Are you referring to MMC or Jack transports? I have tried getting
hydrogen (hydrogen-0.8.0-1.rhfc1.ccrma) to slave to ardour with no
success. Would you mind giving details on how you accomplished this
please?
TIA
John
-----------------------
John Williams
Department of Marketing
Otago University
Dunedin, New Zealand
5:55 p.m.
I'm not sure what you're asking. I merely
want to use ardour to tell
muse, rosegarden or even hydrogen to:
(1) Start
(2) Stop
(3) Rewind
Recent versions of ardour will issue these commands. Hydrogen and ecasound will follow these commands.
Are you referring to MMC or Jack transports? I have tried getting
hydrogen (hydrogen-0.8.0-1.rhfc1.ccrma) to slave to ardour with no
success.
9:10 p.m.
On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 07:43, Jack O'Quin wrote:
> Hydrogen and ecasound will follow these commands.
John Williams <jwilliams(a)business.otago.ac.nz> writes:
Are you referring to MMC or Jack transports? I have
tried getting
hydrogen (hydrogen-0.8.0-1.rhfc1.ccrma) to slave to ardour with no
success. Would you mind giving details on how you accomplished this
please?
Using JACK transport.
I'm running a recent CVS version of hydrogen, 0.8.1. It does respond
to JACK transport controls.
There are some other problems with the version I'm using, probably not
transport-related though. The build and packaging recently changed
significantly. Libhydrogen is no longer a separate package.
I'm not sure what version to recommend for production work.
--
joq
17 Dec
17 Dec
12:10 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and Hydrogen sync through Jack!!
Ahh what a glorious sight! I got Ardour and Hydrogen to sync using Jack
transport. Here's the setup I used:
jack-audio-connection-kit 0.92.0-0.cvs.1.rh90.ccrma
ardour 0.9beta9-1.rh90.ccrma
hydrogen 0.8.1 (just updated at Planet CCRMA by Fernando today)
In Hydrogen preferences Audio driver was set to Jack and Jack Transport
Slave was checked on.
In Ardour sync source was set to Jack. Jack time master and Jack
transport master were both checked.
When I press play in Ardour: Jack + Ardour + Hydrogen all move and both
Hydrogen and Ardour sound.
When I press play in Jack all move, Hydrogen sounds, but Ardour doesn't
make a peep.
Hydrogen works in both song mode and pattern mode. But note that when
Hydrogen is in pattern mode it always starts the pattern from the
beginning no matter what position in a measure Ardour is at.
Moving the Ardour transport (i.e. rewind or fast forward) moves the
position in Hydrogen (in song mode) and Jack as well - so if you use
Hydrogen in pattern mode you get a clean sync between the two!
Well, just thought I'd pass on the news. :-)
Thomas Hemba
12:21 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and Hydrogen sync through Jack!!
Tom Hemba <tomhemba(a)bigfoot.com> writes:
Moving the Ardour transport (i.e. rewind or fast
forward) moves the
position in Hydrogen (in song mode) and Jack as well - so if you use
Hydrogen in pattern mode you get a clean sync between the two!
Well, just thought I'd pass on the news. :-)
Thanks, that's good to hear.
Controlling ardour and hydrogen in sample sync is really a powerful
combination. I bet one or two of our favorite MIDI sequencers will
not be far behind. :-)
--
joq
5:02 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and Hydrogen sync through Jack!!
Hi,
--- Jack O'Quin <joq(a)io.com> wrote:
Tom Hemba <tomhemba(a)bigfoot.com> writes:
Very cool, and have been enjoying it. However, I
wonder if Hydrogen is fully implementing JOQ's design.
Hydrogen retains the "slave" concept, now officially
inappropriate in California, and when in "slave" mode,
Hydrogen is unable to initiate Transport actions. It
only responds, ie hit Play in JAMin and Hydrogen plays
right along.
Jack, as I understand your design, one client must be
time base master but any client can initiate Transport
actions. Is this correct?
Moving the Ardour transport (i.e. rewind or fast
forward) moves the
position in Hydrogen (in song mode) and Jack as
well - so if you use
Hydrogen in pattern mode you get a clean sync
between the two!
Well, just thought I'd pass on the news. :-)
Thanks, that's good to hear. Controlling ardour and hydrogen in sample sync is
really a powerful
combination. I bet one or two of our favorite MIDI
sequencers will
not be far behind. :-)
You got some inside information you're holding? :)
--
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10:56 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and Hydrogen sync through Jack!!
R Parker <rtp405(a)yahoo.com> writes:
Hydrogen retains the "slave" concept, now
officially inappropriate
in California, and when in "slave" mode, Hydrogen is unable to
initiate Transport actions. It only responds, ie hit Play in JAMin
and Hydrogen plays right along.
Yes, I noticed that and wondered about it.
There are often good reasons for an application to provide an option
whether to transmit local transport commands to JACK. In the case of
GUI-based applications like hydrogen, I think it should be done by
default. If the user presses "play", then go ahead and call
jack_transport_start(). That is almost certainly what was intended.
One of the goals of the transport design was to improve usability by
allowing these commands to be issued from any client.
Jack, as I understand your design, one client must be
time base
master but any client can initiate Transport actions. Is this
correct?
Yes.
At most one timebase master. None is really needed in most cases.
But, hydrogen could usefully provide a (conditional) timebase callback
that counts bars, beats and ticks (BBT).
Ardour will generally provide this information unconditionally, but
when running without ardour, hydrogen would sometimes be the only
client with the necessary information available.
But, these are minor points. What Paul and Comix have accomplished is
already an important milestone in Linux audio. There is a lot of
demand for this, and it fits the open source development model well.
--- Jack O'Quin <joq(a)io.com> wrote:
Not at all. My comment was based entirely on public statements of the
MUSE and rosegarden developers.
--
joq
Controlling ardour and hydrogen in sample sync is
really a
powerful combination. I bet one or two of our favorite MIDI
sequencers will not be far behind. :-)
You got some inside information you're holding? :) 
5:03 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and Hydrogen sync through Jack!!
Tom Hemba wrote:
Ahh what a glorious sight! I got Ardour and Hydrogen
to sync using Jack
transport. Here's the setup I used:
jack-audio-connection-kit 0.92.0-0.cvs.1.rh90.ccrma
ardour 0.9beta9-1.rh90.ccrma
hydrogen 0.8.1 (just updated at Planet CCRMA by Fernando today)
In Hydrogen preferences Audio driver was set to Jack and Jack Transport
Slave was checked on.
In Ardour sync source was set to Jack. Jack time master and Jack
transport master were both checked.
When I press play in Ardour: Jack + Ardour + Hydrogen all move and both
Hydrogen and Ardour sound.
When I press play in Jack all move, Hydrogen sounds, but Ardour doesn't
make a peep.
Hydrogen works in both song mode and pattern mode. But note that when
Hydrogen is in pattern mode it always starts the pattern from the
beginning no matter what position in a measure Ardour is at.
Moving the Ardour transport (i.e. rewind or fast forward) moves the
position in Hydrogen (in song mode) and Jack as well - so if you use
Hydrogen in pattern mode you get a clean sync between the two!
Well, just thought I'd pass on the news. :-)
Thomas Hemba
...I'm uploading hydrogen 0.8.1 release... ^_^
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15 Dec
15 Dec
3:30 a.m.
Hi John,
måndagen den 15 december 2003 00.15 skrev John Williams:
I know that this is something of a FAQ, but I've
been trawling the net
for a couple of days and could not find an answer. So, apologies if I'm
acting a bit clueless or lazy ...
I can only tell you about MusE. MusE does support syncing over MIDI. It was
however implemented some time ago and whether it works as it should I don't
know, I haven't tried it. I seem to recall someone managing to partially sync
ardour and MusE a while ago. E.g. it worked with MusE as master but only
pressing play not stop or something similar, not quite usable ;).
The current version of MusE does not have support for jack syncing. I think
Werner has implemented it in cvs though. It's coming up in version 0.7. I
would not recommend you to try the current cvs though, not yet, it's very
much in flux.
/Robert
Anyway.
I would like to set up synchronisation of ardour
(ardour-0.9beta9-1.rhfc1.ccrma) and rosegarden
(rosegarden4-0.9.5-1.rhfc1.ccrma) on Fedora. I have tried _many_
combinations of setting ardour and rosegarden as slave and master, and
using MIDI or jack master/slave systems. No joy.
It is possible? And if so, how?
I am willing, once I find out how, to write it up and contribute it to
some FAQ or WWW site, e.g. http://www.djcj.org/LAU/quicktoots/
TIA,
John.
John Williams
Department of Marketing
Otago University
Dunedin, New Zealand
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