17 Apr
2010
17 Apr
'10
5:03 p.m.
Which one should I get?
I know that the Delta 66 does not have MIDI, though
I already have a MIDISport 2x2.
I don't do any of the multi-track recording that
others on the list do. I just want to
send quality audio to my monitors, and transfer
analog recordings that I currently have to digital.
In the near future, I will want to record audio
with a microphone.
The break out box of the the Delta 66 seems like
it would help keep cable clutter to a minimum but
then the Audiophile 2496 is a new card isn't it,
and perhaps makes use of newer/better technology?
Thank you for listening to the naive questions.
17 Apr
17 Apr
5:45 p.m.
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Ivan K <ivan_521521(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
The break out box of the the Delta 66 seems like
it would help keep cable clutter to a minimum but
then the Audiophile 2496 is a new card isn't it,
and perhaps makes use of newer/better technology?
They both use the same DSP hardware internally. Delta66 gives you more
I/O, that's really the main difference. The analog in/out on 2496 is
RCA while the Delta66 has 1/4".
-- Brett
------------------------------------------------------------
"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden;
If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world."
-- Jelaleddin Rumi
5:49 p.m.
Quoting Ivan K <ivan_521521(a)yahoo.com>om>:
Which one should I get?
The break out box of the the Delta 66 seems like
it would help keep cable clutter to a minimum but
then the Audiophile 2496 is a new card isn't it,
and perhaps makes use of newer/better technology?
The Audiophile 2496 isn't new, it's at least nine years old ("The Best
Sound Card of the Year" in 2001.
[http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/maudioaudiophile])
I guess they're both considered good quality so I'd choose the one
most suitable for my other needs.
11:35 p.m.
I've used the delta 66 for many years. I also own a delta 1010 LT.
Internally they both contain the ice 1712 chip (check out the ALSA
homepage for more info).
These cards work well with Alsa. It's been some months since I've tried
them out with a system including Pulseaudio (a standard sound system for
distros like "Ubuntu" and "Fedora"). Strangely enough, Pulseaudio was
not been working well with these cards (at least for a period of 1/2 a
year, when I was using it). I don't know if this has changed.
When it comes to sound quality, I wouldn't worry, unless you are
recording something really, really quiet, like insect sounds. These
cards are really high quality.
Ivan K wrote:
Which one should I get?
I know that the Delta 66 does not have MIDI, though
I already have a MIDISport 2x2.
I don't do any of the multi-track recording that
others on the list do. I just want to
send quality audio to my monitors, and transfer
analog recordings that I currently have to digital.
In the near future, I will want to record audio
with a microphone.
The break out box of the the Delta 66 seems like
it would help keep cable clutter to a minimum but
then the Audiophile 2496 is a new card isn't it,
and perhaps makes use of newer/better technology?
Thank you for listening to the naive questions.
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18 Apr
18 Apr
2:56 a.m.
ailo wrote:
I've used the delta 66 for many years. I also own
a delta 1010 LT.
Internally they both contain the ice 1712 chip (check out the ALSA
homepage for more info).
These cards work well with Alsa. It's been some months since I've tried
them out with a system including Pulseaudio (a standard sound system for
distros like "Ubuntu" and "Fedora"). Strangely enough, Pulseaudio was
not been working well with these cards (at least for a period of 1/2 a
year, when I was using it). I don't know if this has changed.
When it comes to sound quality, I wouldn't worry, unless you are
recording something really, really quiet, like insect sounds. These
cards are really high quality.
Could you say more about how "Pulseaudio was
not been working well with these cards"?
11:46 a.m.
There was an issue about one year ago, when Pulseaudio didn't recoqnize
audio inputs and outputs for the cards, while Jack was doing so.
Pulseaudio only recognized the digitital ins and outs.
Here's a link with a bug-report.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/178442
As I said, I don't know if this has been fixed or not.
Joshua D. Boyd wrote:
ailo wrote:
I've used the delta 66 for many years. I also
own a delta 1010 LT.
Internally they both contain the ice 1712 chip (check out the ALSA
homepage for more info).
These cards work well with Alsa. It's been some months since I've tried
them out with a system including Pulseaudio (a standard sound system for
distros like "Ubuntu" and "Fedora"). Strangely enough, Pulseaudio was
not been working well with these cards (at least for a period of 1/2 a
year, when I was using it). I don't know if this has changed.
When it comes to sound quality, I wouldn't worry, unless you are
recording something really, really quiet, like insect sounds. These
cards are really high quality.
Could you say more about how "Pulseaudio was
not been working well with these cards"?
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19 Apr
19 Apr
11:45 a.m.
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 7:45 AM, ailo <ailo.at(a)gmail.com> wrote:
There was an issue about one year ago, when Pulseaudio
didn't recoqnize
audio inputs and outputs for the cards, while Jack was doing so.
Pulseaudio only recognized the digitital ins and outs.
Here's a link with a bug-report.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/178442
As I said, I don't know if this has been fixed or not.
In Karmic it had not been fixed. I had to edit the pulseaudio default
setting to remove udev detection and added the in's and out's manually.
Since then it works fine. If I remember tonight I can past the resulting
file.
Dan
20 Apr
20 Apr
3:55 p.m.
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Daniel Worth <pipemanmusic(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 7:45 AM, ailo
<ailo.at(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It is not fixed in Fedora either:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499435
There was an issue about one year ago, when
Pulseaudio didn't recoqnize
audio inputs and outputs for the cards, while Jack was doing so.
Pulseaudio only recognized the digitital ins and outs.
Here's a link with a bug-report.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/178442
As I said, I don't know if this has been fixed or not.
In Karmic it had not been fixed. I had to edit the pulseaudio default
setting to remove udev detection and added the in's and out's manually.
Since then it works fine. If I remember tonight I can past the resulting
file. 
4:57 p.m.
Wouldn't defining all the appropriate ALSA symbols in ~/.asoundrc take care
of this:
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/1712_.asoundrc
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/.asoundrc
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Ice1712
http://www.jrigg.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html
My solution to these and other problems is to uninstall pulseaudio:
http://old.nabble.com/uninstall-pulseaudio-to-increase-audio-app-stability-…
dream for a day when a Jack-based "consumer" audio system is
available:
http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=122789&postcount=24
FYI -- I have two computers, mine with a plain Delta-66, and my son's with a
Delta-66 "Omni Studio" ... I think they're great, but they're also
"obsolete" (which means they work and don't require endless futzing). The
newer generation might be better but not as reliable
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Ice1724 (e.g. ESI Juli@ & Maya44 &
Audiophile 192) in terms of latest-technology A/D and D/A, and supports 192K
samplerrate). The thing i like most about the Delta 66 is envy24ctrl
( alsa-tools-1.0.22-1.fc12.x86_64 ) and the ability to route inputs,
outputs, and digital mix 4 analog and 2 spdif channels entirely on the
card:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/little-boxes-audio-production-hardware-…
The thing that's a complete showstopper on the Audiophile 24/96 is the lack
of balanced I/O. You gotta use Balanced I/O into and out of a computer, with
unbalanced connections through "telescoping shield" technique (
http://www.mhsecure.com/technotes/v5MixerOverview/Telescoping_Shield.png
) unless
you like having your sound all fuzzed out by ground & clock noise from the
computer. This works well with the Delta 66 since it appears to have a
reasonably well isolated analog and digital ground-planes on the card...
Niels
http://nielsmayer.com
21 Apr
21 Apr
8:17 a.m.
On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 11:57 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote:
The thing that's a complete showstopper on the
Audiophile 24/96 is the
lack of balanced I/O. You gotta use Balanced I/O into and out of a
computer, with unbalanced connections through "telescoping shield"
technique
( http://www.mhsecure.com/technotes/v5MixerOverview/Telescoping_Shield.png ) unless you
like having your sound all fuzzed out by ground & clock noise from the computer. This
works well with the Delta 66 since it appears to have a reasonably well isolated analog
and digital ground-planes on the card...
But do bear in mind that the ins and outs on the break out box on the
Delta 44/66 are not balanced...
Peter
noon
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Peter Nelson <peter(a)fuzzle.org> wrote:
On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 11:57 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote:
The jacks are 1/4 inch TRS (tip, ring, sleeve). They are balanced
unless you use a TS cable to connect them, or the jack on the other
end is not TRS.
--
joq
The thing that's a complete showstopper on
the Audiophile 24/96 is the
lack of balanced I/O. You gotta use Balanced I/O into and out of a
computer, with unbalanced connections through "telescoping shield"
technique
( http://www.mhsecure.com/technotes/v5MixerOverview/Telescoping_Shield.png ) unless you
like having your sound all fuzzed out by ground & clock noise from the computer. This
works well with the Delta 66 since it appears to have a reasonably well isolated analog
and digital ground-planes on the card...
But do bear in mind that the ins and outs on the break out box on the
Delta 44/66 are not balanced...
22 Apr
22 Apr
12:44 p.m.
On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 09:00 -0500, Jack O'Quin wrote:
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Peter Nelson
<peter(a)fuzzle.org> wrote:
True, it uses TRS, but that doesn't mean it's properly balanced...
http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio@flex-radio.biz/msg01842.html
Peter
But do bear in mind that the ins and outs on the
break out box on the
Delta 44/66 are not balanced...
The jacks are 1/4 inch TRS (tip, ring, sleeve). They are balanced
unless you use a TS cable to connect them, or the jack on the other
end is not TRS. 
21 Apr
21 Apr
12:11 p.m.
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Joshua D. Boyd <jdboyd(a)jdboyd.net> wrote:
Could you say more about how "Pulseaudio was
not been working well with these cards"?
I have been having trouble with using my Audiophile 24/96 under Debian
for the past 6 months. I wish I could blame it on Pulseaudio *shakes
fist*
because that's fun.
On my machine, the audio card is detected correctly 50% of the time,
leading me to switch which card the speakers plug into, almost every
time. I think that's a kernel modules or device issue, not
Pulseaudio.
12:53 p.m.
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:11:26 -0500
Charles Henry <czhenry(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Joshua D. Boyd
<jdboyd(a)jdboyd.net> wrote:
Running a 2496 on debian squeeze here with no problems at all - but
then the very first thing I did was kill pulse audio :) Never had
problems with 64studio either (debian based)
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
Could you say more about how "Pulseaudio
was
not been working well with these cards"?
I have been having trouble with using my Audiophile 24/96 under Debian
for the past 6 months. I wish I could blame it on Pulseaudio *shakes
fist*
because that's fun.
On my machine, the audio card is detected correctly 50% of the time,
leading me to switch which card the speakers plug into, almost every
time. I think that's a kernel modules or device issue, not
Pulseaudio.
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1:27 p.m.
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 16:11:26 Charles Henry wrote:
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Joshua D. Boyd
<jdboyd(a)jdboyd.net> wrote:
Take a look at loading modules with options. And then tell the kernel via
/etc/modprobe.d/ to load the modules for the soundcards with option
"index=<IDX>" where IDX is the index number/ordering you want to give
these
cards. Then it doesn't depend on the order the soundcards are detected
anymore.
Arnold
Could you say more about how "Pulseaudio
was
not been working well with these cards"?
I have been having trouble with using my Audiophile 24/96 under Debian
for the past 6 months. I wish I could blame it on Pulseaudio *shakes
fist*
because that's fun.
On my machine, the audio card is detected correctly 50% of the time,
leading me to switch which card the speakers plug into, almost every
time. I think that's a kernel modules or device issue, not
Pulseaudio.
1:58 p.m.
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Arnold Krille <arnold(a)arnoldarts.de> wrote:
Take a look at loading modules with options. And then
tell the kernel via
/etc/modprobe.d/ to load the modules for the soundcards with option
"index=<IDX>" where IDX is the index number/ordering you want to give
these
cards. Then it doesn't depend on the order the soundcards are detected
anymore.
Except if you plug in a new USB audio device, such as a web-cam with
microphone, it'll automatically assert itself as "device 0" unless you
explicitly setup /etc/modprobe.d with ALSA card #'s for all devices before
ever plugging them in.
The issue is that the USB audio devices "bind" first, so if you have a PCI
or PCIe soundcard as device 0, such as your builtin mobo sound, or an add-on
Delta-66 or Audiophile 24/96, the "card" will fail because the random new
USB device has already grabbed the device.
One solution to this is to leave "device 0" unbound. That way, whenever you
accidentally plugin a USB device with sound, it automatically gets assigned
as device 0, instead of disabling whatever PCI card should have been bound
to that device.
FYI, here's the /etc/modprobe.d/snd.conf I setup on my son's computer to
ensure consistent numbering of ALSA audio devices:
##
## 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
## HDA NVidia at 0xdfff8000 irq 21
alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel
options snd-hda-intel index=0
##
## 1 [M66 ]: ICE1712 - M Audio Delta 66
## M Audio Delta 66 at 0xe880, irq 21
alias snd-card-1 snd-ice1712
options snd-ice1712 index=1 omni=1
##
## 2 [MT4 ]: USB-Audio - MT4
## Emagic MT4 at usb-0000:00:04.0-2, full speed
alias snd-card-2 snd-usb-audio
##
## 3 [LPK25 ]: USB-Audio - LPK25
## AKAI professional LLC LPK25 at usb-0000:00:02.0-1,
full speed
alias snd-card-3 snd-usb-audio
##
## 4 [WE ]: USB-Audio - DJ Console (WE)
## Hercules DJ Console (WE) at usb-0000:00:02.0-2, full
speed
alias snd-card-4 snd-usb-audio
##
## 5 [KQ245AA ]: USB-Audio - HP Prem AF Webcam KQ245AA
## HP Prem AF Webcam KQ245AA HP Prem AF Webcam KQ245AA
at usb-0000:00:02.1-2, high
alias snd-card-5 snd-usb-audio
##
## ROOT-coggie-16-/etc/modprobe.d> lsusb
## ...
## Bus 004 Device 006: ID 0582:0005 Roland Corp. Edirol UM-2 MIDI Adapter
## Bus 004 Device 003: ID 086a:0003 Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH MT4
## Bus 004 Device 002: ID 06f8:b000 Guillemot Corp. Hercules DJ Console
## Bus 003 Device 002: ID 09e8:0076 AKAI Professional M.I. Corp.
## Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04f2:a13d Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
## ...
options snd-usb-audio index=2,3,4,5 vid=0x086a,0x09e8,0x06f8,0x04f2
pid=0x0003,0x0076,0xb000,0xa13d
-- Niels
http://nielsmayer.com
3:11 p.m.
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 17:58:30 Niels Mayer wrote:
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Arnold Krille
<arnold(a)arnoldarts.de> wrote:
That is why my snd-usb-audio has index=3,4,5,6,7 as option :-)
Arnold
Take a look at loading modules with options. And
then tell the kernel via
/etc/modprobe.d/ to load the modules for the soundcards with option
"index=<IDX>" where IDX is the index number/ordering you want to give
these cards. Then it doesn't depend on the order the soundcards are
detected anymore.
Except if you plug in a new USB audio device, such as a web-cam
with
microphone, it'll automatically assert itself as "device 0" unless you
explicitly setup /etc/modprobe.d with ALSA card #'s for all devices before
ever plugging them in.
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