Hallo, Juhana Sadeharju hat gesagt: // Juhana Sadeharju wrote: Ah, yes: this patch normally switches on dsp itself. Something bad must have happened to it Who killed Kenny? :) Well, for all that you're more or less on your own now. I have a project to create and collect more "instrument"-like abstractions called RRADical, which you can download from the CVS at Sourceforge but it can be a bit tricky to set up, as you need lots of externals. Here's a "screenshot" (actually a converted Postscript print-out): http://footils.org/images/show.png But generally Pd patches tend to be a rather "personal" affair, which can be difficult to incorporate into your own work. Yes, Pd can be learned like that, too. However you will have a harder time to learn some of the deeper, but highly important concepts, most notably the whole use of abstractions, the difference between abstractions and subpatches, $-variables, data types. So I really encourage everyone to read the HTML docs. I *know* that many people skip them, because I did it myself for too long. Also note that Miller can be quite "mathematical" in his docs, somehow like Mr. Spock: Although the docs are very correct and "logic", their practical use is sometimes a bit hidden or unclear at first reading. That's why I recommend to read them at least twice. I still read them once every couple of weeks or months to freshem up my knowledge. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: fqdn _ http://footils.org/cms/show/38