22 Apr
2008
22 Apr
'08
9:50 p.m.
Hello everyone.
I'm posting here more out of desperation- I simply cannot find what I'm
looking for anywhere.
Basically I'm looking to replace my Evolution MK-461c midi controller
with something of a little bit better quality, and something capable of
producing it's own sounds (relying on a computer is often quite
inconvenient, especially since I haven't yet managed to find/setup good
enough quality sounds).
The main problem I'm having is finding something portable. My MK is 5
octaves (61 keys), and measures approx 97cm x 23cm x 9cm. The main point
is that this thing is a long rectangle. Every single other 5 octave
keyboard is getting on for square- with the same length, but having a
depth of about 60cm instead of 23cm. What is going on? I know they put
the speakers in there, but seriously? That's hardly portable, and I
*know* the additional electronics doesn't need to take up that much
room. The other serious problem with these is that they aren't even flat
squares - that I might be able to deal with, but all the ones I have
seen are more like wedge shapes and end up being stupidly high at the
back as well (again, well over twice the height of my MK).
The other major problem I have is that I need line out rather than just
a headphones socket. The main problem with the headphones socket (aside
from not really being as good for connecting to a PA system) is that it
mutes the speakers, which isn't very helpful since I'm likely to be
using PA systems without foldback capability. It seems that I have to go
to digital piano before I get line out.
Actually, weighted keys would be nice, but again, I have to go to
digitial piano to get that, and digital piano's are all 7.5-8 octaves,
which doesn't fit in my car. I've considered the possibility of a 6
octave, but I don't think that will fit either.
Does such thing as a "portable keyboard" suitable for live performance
actually exist?
Oh- one other thing- price is a major consideration (I originally bought
the MK because it was cheap).
I like the sound of Yamahas, and I nearly bought a PSR-E403 off ebay,
until I saw a better picture and discovered that it's a stupidly high
wedge, and that it has no line out.
Please, can anybody help me?
Thanks.
Simon
23 Apr
23 Apr
1:26 a.m.
On Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:51:55AM +0100, Simon Williams wrote:
Hello everyone.
I'm posting here more out of desperation- I simply cannot find what I'm
looking for anywhere.
the CME U-Key is pretty suitable for me, but if i could do it again, id get one slimmer
and framed with metal
basically i wish Apple made a musical version of their current keyboard line. its easily
the best qwerty ive owned, including M series and Thinkpads
Basically I'm looking to replace my Evolution MK-461c midi controller
with something of a little bit better quality
and something capable of
producing it's own sounds (relying on a computer is often quite
inconvenient, especially since I haven't yet managed to find/setup good
enough quality sounds).
while its dirt cheap, i suspect the synth on the UKey isnt up to your requirements. its
great for late 80s derrick may pads, thats about it. those happen to be my favorite
sounds, though.. heh
probably would be better off with an ESQ-1 off ebay or something? solves the
tank-construction issue
or any other thing they made before disintegrating in the late 90s?
otherwise youre going to pay 10x as much for a Korg Radias or at least 3x as much for a
XIO 49
The main problem I'm having is finding something portable. My MK is 5
think it has 49 keys, only familiar with 76 and 88 so my guess may be off
octaves (61 keys), and measures approx 97cm x 23cm x
9cm. The main point
is that this thing is a long rectangle. Every single other 5 octave
keyboard is getting on for square- with the same length, but having a
depth of about 60cm instead of 23cm. What is going on? I know they put
4 x 20 x 75 cm, i just measured.
the speakers in there, but seriously? That's
hardly portable, and I
*know* the additional electronics doesn't need to take up that much
room. The other serious problem with these is that they aren't even flat
squares - that I might be able to deal with, but all the ones I have
seen are more like wedge shapes and end up being stupidly high at the
back as well (again, well over twice the height of my MK).
The other major problem I have is that I need line out rather than just
a headphones socket. The main problem with the headphones socket (aside
from not really being as good for connecting to a PA system) is that it
mutes the speakers, which isn't very helpful since I'm likely to be
using PA systems without foldback capability. It seems that I have to go
to digital piano before I get line out.
U-Key has line-out. 1/8" mini just like the plugs on my radios, soundcards, and amp.
convenient..
Actually, weighted keys would be nice, but again, I have to go to
digitial piano to get that, and digital piano's are all 7.5-8 octaves,
which doesn't fit in my car. I've considered the possibility of a 6
octave, but I don't think that will fit either.
Does such thing as a "portable keyboard" suitable for live performance
actually exist?
sadly 25-key plastic junk designed to control proprietary/monolithic synth plugins (which
then require a PC..) is 95% of the marketplace today
good luck!
Oh- one other thing- price is a major consideration (I originally bought
the MK because it was cheap).
I like the sound of Yamahas, and I nearly bought a PSR-E403 off ebay,
until I saw a better picture and discovered that it's a stupidly high
wedge, and that it has no line out.
Please, can anybody help me?
Thanks.
Simon
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24 Apr
24 Apr
9:59 p.m.
Thanks for the replies everyone. I've got at least some stuff to look at
now.
cdr wrote:
U-Key has line-out. 1/8" mini just like the plugs
on my radios,
soundcards, and amp. convenient..
1/8"? That's 3.5mm- the sort used on computers. This is almost certainly
a headphone socket (see below).
david wrote:
My Yamaha PSR-255GM is 36" wide, 14" deep,
5.5" high. Has 61 keys,
decent speakers built in, and one line out.
Hmm. I looked at the manual for the PSR-255GM and I can assure you that
it does *not* have line out. It has a headphones socket. Everything has
a headphones socket. But I want line out, which will usually come as
Left and Right channels as two separate mono 1/4" jack or phono/RCA
sockets. Any stereo jack socket is certainly a headphones socket. It has
to be labeled "line out"- "headphones/output" isn't line out.
A headphones socket has a different impedance to a line out socket,
which makes it less useful for connecting to a PA system. You will get
more noise when using a headphones socket to connect to a PA system
because the levels will be all wrong.
The other issue is that a headphone socket will mute the onboard
speakers whereas line out will not.
Al Thompson wrote:
My suggestion would be to stop looking at low-end
consumer grade
gear.
That's great in theory. Except for one thing- I can't find what I'm
looking for in higher end gear either. Most of it is 8 octaves long
which is too big (though the Korg X50 looks promising). Has no-one
considered churches and small bands?
If I were to put together something like this, I would
get a
MIDI controller keyboard, which will be about the size of what you
had before (or maybe even smaller), and get a used Roland JV-1010.
You'd end up with something as portable as you want, with vastly
superior capabilities from what you had before. Controllers or
cheap, and a used JV-1010 is cheap too.
david wrote:
Of course, neither of them is made anymore, but
perhaps later PSR
models would be suitable. Don't know how it compares to your
Evolution.
Perhaps I didn't mention that my Evolution is a cheap USB Midi
controller keyboard. It's supposed to be good, but I'm convinced that
the pads have worn out or something because I often get notes suddenly
played way louder than the rest.
I had a look at the JV-1010, and it's a possibility, but the problem is
that I still need to replace my MIDI controller with something better
and then buy some sort of amp. I'm not sure it's worth it.
James Stone wrote:
I thought the korg X50 looks quite nice.. I am
considering getting
one, although I don't think the keyboard will be much of an upgrade
over the Evolution.. I think the built in sounds are pretty amazing
though.
I really like the look of that. But at 450 pounds it's still somewhat
over my budget.
Cue everyone rolling their eyes and thinking to themselves "you can't
have everything and get it cheap". But in all seriousness I shouldn't
have to be looking at expensive high end gear to get what I want. The
perfect solution would be a consumer grade keyboard, but with line-out
added (there's no way that's hard or expensive), and different
proportions. I'm not really asking them to cram stuff into less space
(though I *know* there's no need for them to be that size). Just change
the proportions.
25 Apr
25 Apr
7:21 a.m.
Simon Williams wrote:
It's possible. They may just need to be cleaned?
david wrote:
OK. I have it running into a splitter cable that feeds into my stereo
mixer and that feeds in to a separate amplifier, and don't have any
noise problems whatsoever.
My Yamaha PSR-255GM is 36" wide, 14"
deep, 5.5" high. Has 61 keys,
decent speakers built in, and one line out.
Hmm. I looked at the manual for the PSR-255GM and I can assure you that
it does *not* have line out. It has a headphones socket. Everything has
a headphones socket. But I want line out, which will usually come as
Left and Right channels as two separate mono 1/4" jack or phono/RCA
sockets. Any stereo jack socket is certainly a headphones socket. It has
to be labeled "line out"- "headphones/output" isn't line out.
A headphones socket has a different impedance to a line out socket,
which makes it less useful for connecting to a PA system. You will get
more noise when using a headphones socket to connect to a PA system
because the levels will be all wrong.
The other issue is that a headphone socket will mute the onboard
speakers whereas line out will not.
The PSR-740 has two Line Outs (has a separate headphone jack on the
front) - one for Left, one for Right.
Al Thompson wrote:
That's exactly what I use the PSR-740 in - a church's worship band. And
we need the portability, because we don't have our own property yet, so
we're renting space in school cafeterias.
My suggestion would be to stop looking at low-end
consumer grade
gear.
That's great in theory. Except for one thing- I can't find what I'm
looking for in higher end gear either. Most of it is 8 octaves long
which is too big (though the Korg X50 looks promising). Has no-one
considered churches and small bands? If I were to
put together something like this, I would get a
MIDI controller keyboard, which will be about the size of what you
had before (or maybe even smaller), and get a used Roland JV-1010.
You'd end up with something as portable as you want, with vastly
superior capabilities from what you had before. Controllers or
cheap, and a used JV-1010 is cheap too.
david wrote:
Of course, neither of them is made anymore, but
perhaps later PSR
models would be suitable. Don't know how it compares to your
Evolution.
Perhaps I didn't mention that my Evolution is a cheap USB Midi
controller keyboard. It's supposed to be good, but I'm convinced that
the pads have worn out or something because I often get notes suddenly
played way louder than the rest. I had a look at the JV-1010, and it's a
possibility, but the problem is
that I still need to replace my MIDI controller with something better
and then buy some sort of amp. I'm not sure it's worth it.
James Stone wrote:
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I thought the korg X50 looks quite nice.. I am
considering getting
one, although I don't think the keyboard will be much of an upgrade
over the Evolution.. I think the built in sounds are pretty amazing
though.
I really like the look of that. But at 450 pounds it's still somewhat
over my budget.
Cue everyone rolling their eyes and thinking to themselves "you can't
have everything and get it cheap". But in all seriousness I shouldn't
have to be looking at expensive high end gear to get what I want. The
perfect solution would be a consumer grade keyboard, but with line-out
added (there's no way that's hard or expensive), and different
proportions. I'm not really asking them to cram stuff into less space
(though I *know* there's no need for them to be that size). Just change
the proportions. 
7:29 a.m.
James Stone wrote:
I think I may have found just the thing: The xiosynth from Novation. I
think you can get it for around £190 new (4 octave version). It does
analogue modeling, and apparently also has some sampled sounds. In the
end I bought a second hand yamaha an-1x which has a very nice solidly
built keyboard - 5 octaves with aftertouch , and good (analogue
modeled) sounds. I paid £210 for it.
James
I thought the korg X50 looks quite nice.. I am
considering getting
one, although I don't think the keyboard will be much of an upgrade
over the Evolution.. I think the built in sounds are pretty amazing
though.
I really like the look of that. But at 450 pounds it's still somewhat
over my budget.
Cue everyone rolling their eyes and thinking to themselves "you can't
have everything and get it cheap". But in all seriousness I shouldn't
have to be looking at expensive high end gear to get what I want. The
perfect solution would be a consumer grade keyboard, but with line-out
added (there's no way that's hard or expensive), and different
proportions. I'm not really asking them to cram stuff into less space
(though I *know* there's no need for them to be that size). Just change
the proportions. 
27 Apr
27 Apr
5:37 p.m.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:29:32AM +0100, James Stone wrote:
Apparently one Thomas Morgan Dolby Robertson speaks highly of it as well:
http://blog.thomasdolby.com/?p=522
-ken
James Stone
wrote:
I think I may have found just the thing: The xiosynth from Novation. I
think you can get it for around £190 new (4 octave version). It does
analogue modeling, and apparently also has some sampled sounds. In the
end I bought a second hand yamaha an-1x which has a very nice solidly
built keyboard - 5 octaves with aftertouch , and good (analogue
modeled) sounds. I paid £210 for it.
I thought the korg X50 looks quite nice.. I am
considering getting
one, although I don't think the keyboard will be much of an upgrade
over the Evolution.. I think the built in sounds are pretty amazing
though.
I really like the look of that. But at 450 pounds it's still somewhat
over my budget.
Cue everyone rolling their eyes and thinking to themselves "you can't
have everything and get it cheap". But in all seriousness I shouldn't
have to be looking at expensive high end gear to get what I want. The
perfect solution would be a consumer grade keyboard, but with line-out
added (there's no way that's hard or expensive), and different
proportions. I'm not really asking them to cram stuff into less space
(though I *know* there's no need for them to be that size). Just change
the proportions. 
23 Apr
23 Apr
5:28 a.m.
Hi!
I didn't look at ebay and other such institution lately. But an old roland
xp30 or something else from the xp-series seems to cover your needs fairly
well. they are real synths though. No built-inspekaers. But very slim, I
suppose not too expensive nowadays, rather light-weidhgt, enough useable
sounds and possible to expand sounds, 61 keys.
Models I know, so you can search easier: xp30, xp50, xp60 and xp80.
Differences: the xp80 has a bilt-in sequencer and they differ in the number of
sound-expansion boards they can take onboard. The xp30 comes already loaded
with three boards.
Another optionmight be the newer XV series. They also mostly vary in number
of boards they can take.
Hope that helps!
Kindest regards
Julien
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7:41 a.m.
My Yamaha PSR-255GM is 36" wide, 14" deep, 5.5" high. Has 61 keys,
decent speakers built in, and one line out. It lacks any connection for
a volume pedal or any other control widgets, although it has a
connection for a foot switch. The keyboard can even run on batteries.
The PSR-740 I use in our church band has roughly the same keys, is a bit
wider and deeper, better built in speakers and stereo line outs. Also
offers foot switch, volume pedal, a pitch bend controller and a
modulation controller that by default tries to function like a
lightweight imitation of a Leslie speaker. The foot switch, pedal and
both controllers are configurable via the keyboard's LCD menus. It has a
lot of capabilities (including drum machine functions, etc) because it's
sort of designed to be a "one-man-band" instrument. It even has a mic in
connection and an assortment of DSP tricks you can use on an incoming
voice (such as generating a three-voice chorus accompaniment from it).
I'm very partial to Yamahas, I think they have the best built-in sounds. ;-)
Of course, neither of them is made anymore, but perhaps later PSR models
would be suitable. Don't know how it compares to your Evolution.
Simon Williams wrote:
Hello everyone.
I'm posting here more out of desperation- I simply cannot find what I'm
looking for anywhere.
Basically I'm looking to replace my Evolution MK-461c midi controller
with something of a little bit better quality, and something capable of
producing it's own sounds (relying on a computer is often quite
inconvenient, especially since I haven't yet managed to find/setup good
enough quality sounds).
The main problem I'm having is finding something portable. My MK is 5
octaves (61 keys), and measures approx 97cm x 23cm x 9cm. The main point
is that this thing is a long rectangle. Every single other 5 octave
keyboard is getting on for square- with the same length, but having a
depth of about 60cm instead of 23cm. What is going on? I know they put
the speakers in there, but seriously? That's hardly portable, and I
*know* the additional electronics doesn't need to take up that much
room. The other serious problem with these is that they aren't even flat
squares - that I might be able to deal with, but all the ones I have
seen are more like wedge shapes and end up being stupidly high at the
back as well (again, well over twice the height of my MK).
The other major problem I have is that I need line out rather than just
a headphones socket. The main problem with the headphones socket (aside
from not really being as good for connecting to a PA system) is that it
mutes the speakers, which isn't very helpful since I'm likely to be
using PA systems without foldback capability. It seems that I have to go
to digital piano before I get line out.
Actually, weighted keys would be nice, but again, I have to go to
digitial piano to get that, and digital piano's are all 7.5-8 octaves,
which doesn't fit in my car. I've considered the possibility of a 6
octave, but I don't think that will fit either.
Does such thing as a "portable keyboard" suitable for live performance
actually exist?
Oh- one other thing- price is a major consideration (I originally bought
the MK because it was cheap).
I like the sound of Yamahas, and I nearly bought a PSR-E403 off ebay,
until I saw a better picture and discovered that it's a stupidly high
wedge, and that it has no line out.
Please, can anybody help me?
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
8:48 a.m.
I thought the korg X50 looks quite nice.. I am considering getting
one, although I don't think the keyboard will be much of an upgrade
over the Evolution.. I think the built in sounds are pretty amazing
though.
James
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
My Yamaha PSR-255GM is 36" wide, 14" deep,
5.5" high. Has 61 keys,
decent speakers built in, and one line out. It lacks any connection for
a volume pedal or any other control widgets, although it has a
connection for a foot switch. The keyboard can even run on batteries.
The PSR-740 I use in our church band has roughly the same keys, is a bit
wider and deeper, better built in speakers and stereo line outs. Also
offers foot switch, volume pedal, a pitch bend controller and a
modulation controller that by default tries to function like a
lightweight imitation of a Leslie speaker. The foot switch, pedal and
both controllers are configurable via the keyboard's LCD menus. It has a
lot of capabilities (including drum machine functions, etc) because it's
sort of designed to be a "one-man-band" instrument. It even has a mic in
connection and an assortment of DSP tricks you can use on an incoming
voice (such as generating a three-voice chorus accompaniment from it).
I'm very partial to Yamahas, I think they have the best built-in sounds. ;-)
Of course, neither of them is made anymore, but perhaps later PSR models
would be suitable. Don't know how it compares to your Evolution.
Simon Williams wrote:
Hello everyone.
I'm posting here more out of desperation- I simply cannot find what I'm
looking for anywhere.
Basically I'm looking to replace my Evolution MK-461c midi controller
with something of a little bit better quality, and something capable of
producing it's own sounds (relying on a computer is often quite
inconvenient, especially since I haven't yet managed to find/setup good
enough quality sounds).
The main problem I'm having is finding something portable. My MK is 5
octaves (61 keys), and measures approx 97cm x 23cm x 9cm. The main point
is that this thing is a long rectangle. Every single other 5 octave
keyboard is getting on for square- with the same length, but having a
depth of about 60cm instead of 23cm. What is going on? I know they put
the speakers in there, but seriously? That's hardly portable, and I
*know* the additional electronics doesn't need to take up that much
room. The other serious problem with these is that they aren't even flat
squares - that I might be able to deal with, but all the ones I have
seen are more like wedge shapes and end up being stupidly high at the
back as well (again, well over twice the height of my MK).
The other major problem I have is that I need line out rather than just
a headphones socket. The main problem with the headphones socket (aside
from not really being as good for connecting to a PA system) is that it
mutes the speakers, which isn't very helpful since I'm likely to be
using PA systems without foldback capability. It seems that I have to go
to digital piano before I get line out.
Actually, weighted keys would be nice, but again, I have to go to
digitial piano to get that, and digital piano's are all 7.5-8 octaves,
which doesn't fit in my car. I've considered the possibility of a 6
octave, but I don't think that will fit either.
Does such thing as a "portable keyboard" suitable for live performance
actually exist?
Oh- one other thing- price is a major consideration (I originally bought
the MK because it was cheap).
I like the sound of Yamahas, and I nearly bought a PSR-E403 off ebay,
until I saw a better picture and discovered that it's a stupidly high
wedge, and that it has no line out.
Please, can anybody help me?
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9:38 a.m.
I don't know anything about Korgs. The school music room where we
practice has a Korg digital audio workstation of some sort in it. I
tried doing one practice with it and couldn't figure it out - way too
many controls, configuration settings, etc. (Plus I didn't want to mess
anything up for the music teacher who uses it everyday - he had a lot of
custom stuff set up in it.)
As far as keyboard feel went, its keys were heavier than those on the
Yamaha. I happen to like the lighter keys better, but if you're more
used to pianos, it would be quite comfortable.
Oh, and the PSR-740 is one tough instrument. About a year ago, we had a
speaker stand (complete with main speaker) that was standing on the edge
of a stage topple off the stage and land the speaker on the keyboard
(after bouncing off me). I can barely move one of the speakers, so it
was probably 60-80 pounds. It chipped one of the keys, put a narrow
gouge into the plastic near the LCD, and put a small crease in the metal
grid over one of the speakers. Damaged nothing else. I stick some tape
over the chip in the key and the keyboard is still going strong.
In its gig bag with pedals and power supply, it weighs 47 pounds - don't
know how portable you might consider that. We looked at another
company's idea of a "portable" model: it weighed 110 pounds. I thought
that was a little extreme, even for something with 88 keys.
James Stone wrote:
I thought the korg X50 looks quite nice.. I am
considering getting
one, although I don't think the keyboard will be much of an upgrade
over the Evolution.. I think the built in sounds are pretty amazing
though.
James
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
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My Yamaha PSR-255GM is 36" wide, 14"
deep, 5.5" high. Has 61 keys,
decent speakers built in, and one line out. It lacks any connection for
a volume pedal or any other control widgets, although it has a
connection for a foot switch. The keyboard can even run on batteries.
The PSR-740 I use in our church band has roughly the same keys, is a bit
wider and deeper, better built in speakers and stereo line outs. Also
offers foot switch, volume pedal, a pitch bend controller and a
modulation controller that by default tries to function like a
lightweight imitation of a Leslie speaker. The foot switch, pedal and
both controllers are configurable via the keyboard's LCD menus. It has a
lot of capabilities (including drum machine functions, etc) because it's
sort of designed to be a "one-man-band" instrument. It even has a mic in
connection and an assortment of DSP tricks you can use on an incoming
voice (such as generating a three-voice chorus accompaniment from it).
I'm very partial to Yamahas, I think they have the best built-in sounds. ;-)
Of course, neither of them is made anymore, but perhaps later PSR models
would be suitable. Don't know how it compares to your Evolution.
Simon Williams wrote:
Hello everyone.
I'm posting here more out of desperation- I simply cannot find what I'm
looking for anywhere.
Basically I'm looking to replace my Evolution MK-461c midi controller
with something of a little bit better quality, and something capable of
producing it's own sounds (relying on a computer is often quite
inconvenient, especially since I haven't yet managed to find/setup good
enough quality sounds).
The main problem I'm having is finding something portable. My MK is 5
octaves (61 keys), and measures approx 97cm x 23cm x 9cm. The main point
is that this thing is a long rectangle. Every single other 5 octave
keyboard is getting on for square- with the same length, but having a
depth of about 60cm instead of 23cm. What is going on? I know they put
the speakers in there, but seriously? That's hardly portable, and I
*know* the additional electronics doesn't need to take up that much
room. The other serious problem with these is that they aren't even flat
squares - that I might be able to deal with, but all the ones I have
seen are more like wedge shapes and end up being stupidly high at the
back as well (again, well over twice the height of my MK).
The other major problem I have is that I need line out rather than just
a headphones socket. The main problem with the headphones socket (aside
from not really being as good for connecting to a PA system) is that it
mutes the speakers, which isn't very helpful since I'm likely to be
using PA systems without foldback capability. It seems that I have to go
to digital piano before I get line out.
Actually, weighted keys would be nice, but again, I have to go to
digitial piano to get that, and digital piano's are all 7.5-8 octaves,
which doesn't fit in my car. I've considered the possibility of a 6
octave, but I don't think that will fit either.
Does such thing as a "portable keyboard" suitable for live performance
actually exist?
Oh- one other thing- price is a major consideration (I originally bought
the MK because it was cheap).
I like the sound of Yamahas, and I nearly bought a PSR-E403 off ebay,
until I saw a better picture and discovered that it's a stupidly high
wedge, and that it has no line out.
Please, can anybody help me?
--
David
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