16 Dec
2014
16 Dec
'14
6:09 p.m.
Hi,
I wonder what headphone has a better sound quality than the
AKG K 240 DF and at the same time is that robust as this headphone.
I got my AKG around 30 years ago, when it was the most used and IMO best
studio headphone used in Germany. Within those decades there were
several better sounding headphones used in professional studios here
(but not in my home studio). All of them had a weak point. While you
can play soccer with the AKG K 240 DF without damaging it, those
headphones with a better sound quality, that still is relatively
neutral, so that they can be used for recording in addition to monitors
(not as a replacement for monitors ;), cause broken noise, once they
fall down from face value.
Is anybody aware about a modern headphone, that doesn't suffer from
fragileness and anyway sounds better than a 30 years old studio
headphone.
IIRC I asked this a few years ago on this list or somewhere else.
It's not Linux related, but at least related to audio production, so I
guess it's a valid request for this list ;).
I'm aware that the AKG K 240 DF and AKG K 240 still are used as
headphones in studios for the folks that make the music, but usually
it's not used by audio engineers any more. I can't pay for one of
those modern headphones that are often used, but get broken by soft
physical accidents.
Regards,
Ralf
PS: This request is related to a question from an audio consumer from
another Linux mailing list, asking me off-list, who wants to get a hint,
what headphone is a good headphone. In my experiences reliability and
best sound quality be in contrast. I don't know what headphone to
recommend. I stay with the AKG K 240 DF, if it should get
broken, I would buy the same headphone again, unless there's a
headphone with a better sound quality and that is as stable as old
headphones are. In my experiences the weakest point often is the
headphone amp, not the headphone, so what headphone to recommend might
also be related to the used gear.
16 Dec
16 Dec
6:43 p.m.
Ever tried a Stax ?
I once had the opportunity to try a SR-307 (Lambada series) and they were amazing.
There are two major drawbacks with them: very expensive and need for a dedicated
amplifier.
But for serious studio work they seem to be the best there is.
Don;t know though if they fit your needs.
Cheers
Gianfranco
Em 16/12/2014, à(s) 18:09, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> escreveu:
Hi,
I wonder what headphone has a better sound quality than the
AKG K 240 DF and at the same time is that robust as this headphone.
I got my AKG around 30 years ago, when it was the most used and IMO best
studio headphone used in Germany. Within those decades there were
several better sounding headphones used in professional studios here
(but not in my home studio). All of them had a weak point. While you
can play soccer with the AKG K 240 DF without damaging it, those
headphones with a better sound quality, that still is relatively
neutral, so that they can be used for recording in addition to monitors
(not as a replacement for monitors ;), cause broken noise, once they
fall down from face value.
Is anybody aware about a modern headphone, that doesn't suffer from
fragileness and anyway sounds better than a 30 years old studio
headphone.
IIRC I asked this a few years ago on this list or somewhere else.
It's not Linux related, but at least related to audio production, so I
guess it's a valid request for this list ;).
I'm aware that the AKG K 240 DF and AKG K 240 still are used as
headphones in studios for the folks that make the music, but usually
it's not used by audio engineers any more. I can't pay for one of
those modern headphones that are often used, but get broken by soft
physical accidents.
Regards,
Ralf
PS: This request is related to a question from an audio consumer from
another Linux mailing list, asking me off-list, who wants to get a hint,
what headphone is a good headphone. In my experiences reliability and
best sound quality be in contrast. I don't know what headphone to
recommend. I stay with the AKG K 240 DF, if it should get
broken, I would buy the same headphone again, unless there's a
headphone with a better sound quality and that is as stable as old
headphones are. In my experiences the weakest point often is the
headphone amp, not the headphone, so what headphone to recommend might
also be related to the used gear.
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7:28 p.m.
AFAIK they are only popular in Japan.
http://www.stax.co.jp <http://www.stax.co.jp/>
It is a complete different technology. Instead of using and electro magnetic system, like
small speakers, it uses a high voltage (~500V) electrostatic system, hence the need of a
dedicated amplifier.
You can get an used unit at eBay.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/Consumer-Electronics-/293/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw…
<http://www.ebay.com/sch/Consumer-Electronics-/293/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=stax>
The one I tried was from the 80’s and sounded fantastic.
Cheers
Gian
Em 16/12/2014, à(s) 19:06, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> escreveu:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 18:43:12 +0100, Gianfranco Ceccolini wrote:
Ever tried a Stax ?
I once had the opportunity to try a SR-307 (Lambada series) and they
were amazing.
Thank you,
no, I've never seen such a thing in an audio or video studio, so I'm
sceptic.
Regards,
Ralf
8:32 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 19:27:47 +0100, Gianfranco Ceccolini wrote:
AFAIK they are only popular in Japan.
http://www.stax.co.jp <http://www.stax.co.jp/>
It is a complete different technology. Instead of using and electro
magnetic system, like small speakers, it uses a high voltage (~500V)
electrostatic system, hence the need of a dedicated amplifier.
You can get an used unit at eBay.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/Consumer-Electronics-/293/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw…
<http://www.ebay.com/sch/Consumer-Electronics-/293/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=stax>
The one I tried was from the 80’s and sounded fantastic.
Good sound, that in addition is relatively neutral for studio usage, is
one thing. Another aspect is that the phones are usable with "normal"
headphone amps [1] and that the headphone survives a fall down on the
floor. I know several headphones with better studio usable sound than
the AKG I mentioned, but non of them is able to survive accidents that
good as the AKG I mentioned does.
Btw. I'm used to 80's consumer, prosumer and professional audio
gear and I've got an affinity to some Japanese audio engineering and
gear :). A lot of 80's gear from several nations IMO can't be replaced
by modern gear, OTOH e.g. modern op-amps chips are far better
nowadays :), some nowadays prosumer gear is better than old
professional gear is.
Regards,
Ralf
[1] Btw. I reported many issues caused by the RME HDSPe AIO on my Linux
machine, but this sound card provides a good headphone output. I can't
believe how good it is. For my home studio needs I don't need a special
headphone amp, because the RME's amp is that good. I didn't compared it
to studio amps yet, but I suspect it is as good, as many studio
headphone amps are, it at least is _much_ better than most of the
headphone outputs I'm used to in my home studio.
8:04 p.m.
My personal headphone GAS-filtering Aikido is similar to Ralf's: a good mix
is never strictly done in headphones, headphones are to be used in addition
to monitors. For this reason, the main take-my-money arguments i need to be
able to answer with "very" are:
- How good is my favorit music sounding in them?
- How comfortable are they?
Once i've filtered out a few models capable of achieveing these goals, i
consider my budget in relation to remaining offer.
Is anybody aware about a modern headphone, that
doesn't suffer from
fragileness and anyway sounds better than a 30 years old studio
headphone.
DJ's are exposed to crowd, alcohol and what not, therefor i have a personal
belief that DJ headphones, when produced by a responsible brand, tend to be
very sollid, offer a good sound and isolation. The way my personal
experience shows, in the aspect of robustness and price:quality ratio,
Sennheiser HD-25-1 mkII is a very good standard. And it's easy to find
spare parts. I also happen to be very fond of the AKG K 240 that my studio
mate owns. In terms of comfort, i don't think i have ever tried anything
better then Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro.
This said, my belief is that the ideal headphones can easily become an
unreachable holy grale: music shouldn't have to wait for you to find it.
Since i believe that the best way to have a solid mix is to listen to it on
as many different type of speakers and headphones as possible, it doesn't
really make sense to me to bother that much about a specific model. Also, I
try to keep in mind that it is possible to learn the particular caracter of
a headphone set and to adjust oneselfs method to these caracteristic.
So to conclude my ghetto-perspective input, this is what i tell my friends
when they ask me what they should buy:
Here are my 3 favs: AKG, sennheiser, Beyerdynamics. Now Go to a store,
bring your favorit songs, test these songs (preferably without checking the
price tag before in order not to suffer the "oh they are expensive, must be
good" syndrom) and believe in the force, luke. At the end of the day, if
you feel happy with your headphones, they might very well be the best in
this relative universe.
Disclaimer: please conscider my opinion as it is: just an opinion from a
happy profane. :cookiemoster:
--
Set Hallström
AKA
reSet Sakrecoer
http://sakrecoer.com
8:55 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:04:42 +0100, Set Hallström wrote:
AKG, sennheiser, Beyerdynamics
Those brands are used by all home studios and by some of the best
professional studios I ever have seen. Indeed spare parts are
important. A least foam material rots and ear rings harm those things
that touch the ears too. "DJ's are exposed to crowd, alcohol and what
not" :D, that's an important point for me. Accidents don't happen that
often, but they happen, randomly every 5 years the cable might decide
to say hello to the cry baby, you'll bring down the pedal and the
headphone does follow ;). My AKG is used since more than 30 years,
friends and I killed "better", more expensive Sennheiser and
Beyerdynamics in a few minutes, not to mention how much more often
accidents happen, when people with less studio experience are using the
headphones. We can walk, but even if we never use drugs and we aren't
ill, we sometimes trip up on something.
I suspect the AKG 240 DF isn't sold any more, I wonder how much the
difference to the little sister, the AKG 240 is.
10:12 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:04:42 +0100, Set Hallström wrote:
i believe that the best way to have a solid mix is to
listen to it on
as many different type of speakers and headphones as possible, it
doesn't really make sense to me to bother that much about a specific
model.
And while driving a car with a cheap car hifi. Unfortunately I can't
pay for a car any more, but the sound of the motor + the averaged car
hify provides much more information about the needed compression for our
mixes, than an Auratone in a professional control room does.
And what ever we do, in the end we will mix a good song in a way we
dislike. Others might be impressed, but we always will be dissatisfied.
If we can't stand it, we shouldn't make art. If we guess our work is
perfect, we should consider to stop making art too. Making art is based
on ambivalence and masochism.
2 cents ;) YMMV!
17 Dec
17 Dec
8:17 a.m.
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
And while driving a car with a cheap car hifi.
Unfortunately I can't
pay for a car any more, but the sound of the motor + the averaged car
hify provides much more information about the needed compression for
our mixes, than an Auratone in a professional control room does.
I've thought about this now and then for years -- we all end up checking
our mixes in our cars. Even the people with acoustically treated rooms
and expensive monitors who say they have equipped themselves to mix with
confidence still go out and check in the car.
Why don't we just mix in our cars? :)
It's very tempting to get a car stereo with a direct input, equip the
laptop with some kind of nice USB audio interface, and run Ardour in the
car! Maybe I could even strap some kind of 5-octave Midi controller
keyboard across the dash. Just don't mix and drive...
(Hmm...possible idea for future Ardour development...Ardour as an
embedded OEM app for car manufacturers...could bring a whole new meaning
to "Detroit techno"...if there were anything still left in Detroit...)
7:57 p.m.
On 12/16/2014 09:16 PM, Brent Busby wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Hmm, why bother with cars? My millenial daughter, her ex-husband and her
current boyfriend do not own cars.
My youngest nephew (22) has a car but plays music from his phone thru
the car radio using an adapter plugged into the cassette player. (Yes,
he's a poor college student, so his 1996 Toyota Camry with 230000 miles
on it and the stock Toyota radio is what he's stuck with.)
Instead, they listen thru their telephones, mostly using earbuds,
occasionally playing things from their phones thru external stereo
devices like powered Bluetooth speakers, etc.
So if you're going to mix for the lowest common denominator, a car just
isn't it anymore. Only really cheap or old cars have sound systems worse
than phones.
And while driving a car with a cheap car hifi.
Unfortunately I can't
pay for a car any more, but the sound of the motor + the averaged car
hify provides much more information about the needed compression for
our mixes, than an Auratone in a professional control room does.
I've thought about this now and then for years -- we all end up checking
our mixes in our cars. Even the people with acoustically treated rooms
and expensive monitors who say they have equipped themselves to mix with
confidence still go out and check in the car.
Why don't we just mix in our cars? :) It's very tempting to get a car stereo with a
direct input, equip the
laptop with some kind of nice USB audio interface, and run Ardour in the
car! Maybe I could even strap some kind of 5-octave Midi controller
keyboard across the dash. Just don't mix and drive...
Hmmm ... sing, have autotune running on the system, then note
recognition to also record the note as MIDI ... couple it all together
with voice commands. Then you can mix and drive! (Especially useful for
those tracks where you simply MUST have engine, road and wind noise,
crossing over rumble strips, and the police siren when people start
reporting some driver acting really strange in his car.)
Of course, if you don't like engine noise, you get yourself an electric
car (a Tesla would be nice, yes?) or drive your hybrid on battery. On a
smooth road, our Prius transmits only a little tire noise when running
on battery. And the stock sound system is pretty good.
Or an array of foot switches (most useful if your car has automatic
transmission).
(Hmm...possible idea for future Ardour
development...Ardour as an
embedded OEM app for car manufacturers...could bring a whole new meaning
to "Detroit techno"...if there were anything still left in Detroit...)
Maybe a special app used in cars and limos used by real musicians. Joe
Ordinary person isn't even vaguely interested.
--
David W. Jones
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
8:40 p.m.
On 2014-12-17 19:57, david wrote:
Hmm, why bother with cars? My millenial daughter, her
ex-husband and her
current boyfriend do not own cars.
haha! Off-topic but agreed! Public transport is king! In that respect, i
bought mysekf a tiny FM transmittor that i hacked to be more powerfull.
This allows me to listen to my tunes on the bussdrivers radio ;)
--
Set
10:45 p.m.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:57:47 -1000, david wrote:
So if you're going to mix for the lowest common
denominator, a car
just isn't it anymore. Only really cheap or old cars have sound
systems worse than phones.
Not the "lowest common denominator" regarding the speakers is important,
for this purpose studios have got Auratone monitors. Important is that
once there's "road noise" (combustion engine noise, wind
noise, tyre running noise), frequencies of sane less compressed music
became inaudible, respectively if you increase the volume, then some
frequencies are to loud. The car hifi, while driving the car, makes
clear if and how much more compression and/or EQing is needed.
The road noise is the most extreme kind of ambient sound, were
listening to music is possible. If you find a mix that fits to a studio
environment and to the car hifi, while driving the car, than you are
save that the mix is ok for any situation.
18 Dec
18 Dec
6:43 p.m.
If price is an issue at all (as it by necessity always is for me) you might
want to try the Monoprice 8323.
Very nice sound, comfortable, even come with 2 detachable cords -- and for
me it is usually the cord that fails first.
Anyway, I like 'em.
Here's the review that revealed them to me:
http://www.cnet.com/news/how-good-can-21-59-headphones-be/
cheers
Pete
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:57:47 -1000, david wrote:
So if you're going to mix for the lowest
common denominator, a car
just isn't it anymore. Only really cheap or old cars have sound
systems worse than phones.
Not the "lowest common denominator" regarding the speakers is important,
for this purpose studios have got Auratone monitors. Important is that
once there's "road noise" (combustion engine noise, wind
noise, tyre running noise), frequencies of sane less compressed music
became inaudible, respectively if you increase the volume, then some
frequencies are to loud. The car hifi, while driving the car, makes
clear if and how much more compression and/or EQing is needed.
The road noise is the most extreme kind of ambient sound, were
listening to music is possible. If you find a mix that fits to a studio
environment and to the car hifi, while driving the car, than you are
save that the mix is ok for any situation.
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16 Dec
16 Dec
10:25 p.m.
I own/use for pro work
Beyer DT770
AKG 271mk2
Sony mdr 7506
All are pretty decent, but I prefer the AKG 271mk2 cause they are the more
comfortable than others (when used with foam pads).
Good luck
Moshe
My personal headphone GAS-filtering Aikido is similar to Ralf's: a good mix
is never strictly done in headphones, headphones are to be used in addition
to monitors. For this reason, the main take-my-money arguments i need to be
able to answer with "very" are:
- How good is my favorit music sounding in them?
- How comfortable are they?
Once i've filtered out a few models capable of achieveing these goals, i
consider my budget in relation to remaining offer.
Is anybody aware about a modern headphone, that
doesn't suffer from
fragileness and anyway sounds better than a 30 years old studio
headphone.
DJ's are exposed to crowd, alcohol and what not, therefor i have a personal
belief that DJ headphones, when produced by a responsible brand, tend to be
very sollid, offer a good sound and isolation. The way my personal
experience shows, in the aspect of robustness and price:quality ratio,
Sennheiser HD-25-1 mkII is a very good standard. And it's easy to find
spare parts. I also happen to be very fond of the AKG K 240 that my studio
mate owns. In terms of comfort, i don't think i have ever tried anything
better then Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro.
This said, my belief is that the ideal headphones can easily become an
unreachable holy grale: music shouldn't have to wait for you to find it.
Since i believe that the best way to have a solid mix is to listen to it on
as many different type of speakers and headphones as possible, it doesn't
really make sense to me to bother that much about a specific model. Also, I
try to keep in mind that it is possible to learn the particular caracter of
a headphone set and to adjust oneselfs method to these caracteristic.
So to conclude my ghetto-perspective input, this is what i tell my friends
when they ask me what they should buy:
Here are my 3 favs: AKG, sennheiser, Beyerdynamics. Now Go to a store,
bring your favorit songs, test these songs (preferably without checking the
price tag before in order not to suffer the "oh they are expensive, must be
good" syndrom) and believe in the force, luke. At the end of the day, if
you feel happy with your headphones, they might very well be the best in
this relative universe.
Disclaimer: please conscider my opinion as it is: just an opinion from a
happy profane. :cookiemoster:
--
Set Hallström
AKA
reSet Sakrecoer
http://sakrecoer.com
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10:48 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:25:43 +0100, Moshe Werner wrote:
Sony
I forgot Sony :). Indeed The most used brands are AKG, Bayer, Sennheiser
and Sony.
Since you mentioned another AKG, seemingly AKG's self-adjusting
headbands are a feature many people like. JFTR the self-adjusting
headband of my very old AKG is baggy, but this isn't a problem. Without
it, it still fits good.
17 Dec
17 Dec
12:39 a.m.
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:25:43 +0100, Moshe Werner wrote:
The self adjusting headband is the thing I like most about these cans:)
I wear glasses and still can work with them for hours.
Sony
I forgot Sony :). Indeed The most used brands are AKG, Bayer, Sennheiser
and Sony.
Since you mentioned another AKG, seemingly AKG's self-adjusting
headbands are a feature many people like. JFTR the self-adjusting
headband of my very old AKG is baggy, but this isn't a problem. Without
it, it still fits good.
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16 Dec
9:02 p.m.
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I cannot really compare the cans, but I really like my Beyerdynamics
DT990 pro (250 ohm variant).
This site has some reviews:
http://www.thomann.de/de/beyerdynamic_dt990pro.htm?gclid=CMq4tMysy8ICFUzMtA…
It's an open design though, and not everyone likes that, especially as
it's detrimental when wearing the cans while recording e.g. acoustic
guitar 'cause you get a substantial amount of bleed.
I find them very comfy and adore the sound (quite a good addition to
my yamaha hs80m monitors when checking mixes). "Adore" in the sense
that I find them quite honest..
Regards,
Flo
On 16.12.2014 18:09, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Hi,
I wonder what headphone has a better sound quality than the AKG K
240 DF and at the same time is that robust as this headphone.
I got my AKG around 30 years ago, when it was the most used and IMO
best studio headphone used in Germany. Within those decades there
were several better sounding headphones used in professional
studios here (but not in my home studio). All of them had a weak
point. While you can play soccer with the AKG K 240 DF without
damaging it, those headphones with a better sound quality, that
still is relatively neutral, so that they can be used for recording
in addition to monitors (not as a replacement for monitors ;),
cause broken noise, once they fall down from face value.
Is anybody aware about a modern headphone, that doesn't suffer
from fragileness and anyway sounds better than a 30 years old
studio headphone.
IIRC I asked this a few years ago on this list or somewhere else.
It's not Linux related, but at least related to audio production,
so I guess it's a valid request for this list ;).
I'm aware that the AKG K 240 DF and AKG K 240 still are used as
headphones in studios for the folks that make the music, but
usually it's not used by audio engineers any more. I can't pay for
one of those modern headphones that are often used, but get broken
by soft physical accidents.
Regards, Ralf
PS: This request is related to a question from an audio consumer
from another Linux mailing list, asking me off-list, who wants to
get a hint, what headphone is a good headphone. In my experiences
reliability and best sound quality be in contrast. I don't know
what headphone to recommend. I stay with the AKG K 240 DF, if it
should get broken, I would buy the same headphone again, unless
there's a headphone with a better sound quality and that is as
stable as old headphones are. In my experiences the weakest point
often is the headphone amp, not the headphone, so what headphone to
recommend might also be related to the used gear.
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9:17 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:01:44 +0100
Florian Paul Schmidt <mista.tapas(a)gmx.net> wrote:
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I cannot really compare the cans, but I really like my Beyerdynamics
DT990 pro (250 ohm variant).
This site has some reviews:
http://www.thomann.de/de/beyerdynamic_dt990pro.htm?gclid=CMq4tMysy8ICFUzMtA…
It's an open design though, and not everyone likes that, especially as
it's detrimental when wearing the cans while recording e.g. acoustic
guitar 'cause you get a substantial amount of bleed.
I find them very comfy and adore the sound (quite a good addition to
my yamaha hs80m monitors when checking mixes). "Adore" in the sense
that I find them quite honest..
Regards,
Flo
Comfort is a real issue for me with all phones, as I am blessed? with rather big
stick-out ears.
The only ones I've ever had that were comfortable for long periods were ones I
modified many years ago with huge foam pads, a deliberately weakened spring,
and an adjustable canvas strap to take the weight evenly over my head.
Foolishly I loaned them to someone - never saw him or the phones again :(
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
9:33 p.m.
that’s a good point Will
if you wear glasses (as I do) I believe that is actually one very important issue.
I tried a Beyer that had absolutely great sound but would give me a very particular
headache after 15 minutes or so due to it pressing the glasses rods against the sides of
my head.
Cheers
Gian
Em 16/12/2014, à(s) 21:17, Will Godfrey
<willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> escreveu:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:01:44 +0100
Florian Paul Schmidt <mista.tapas(a)gmx.net> wrote:
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I cannot really compare the cans, but I really like my Beyerdynamics
DT990 pro (250 ohm variant).
This site has some reviews:
http://www.thomann.de/de/beyerdynamic_dt990pro.htm?gclid=CMq4tMysy8ICFUzMtA…
It's an open design though, and not everyone likes that, especially as
it's detrimental when wearing the cans while recording e.g. acoustic
guitar 'cause you get a substantial amount of bleed.
I find them very comfy and adore the sound (quite a good addition to
my yamaha hs80m monitors when checking mixes). "Adore" in the sense
that I find them quite honest..
Regards,
Flo
Comfort is a real issue for me with all phones, as I am blessed? with rather big
stick-out ears.
The only ones I've ever had that were comfortable for long periods were ones I
modified many years ago with huge foam pads, a deliberately weakened spring,
and an adjustable canvas strap to take the weight evenly over my head.
Foolishly I loaned them to someone - never saw him or the phones again :(
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Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
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9:41 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:17:16 +0000, Will Godfrey wrote:
Comfort is a real issue for me with all phones, as I
am blessed? with
rather big stick-out ears.
Actually you're blessed with ears. If we need to wear headphones and
reading glasses 16 hours or longer, they are never comfortable.
Immediate after putting on a headphone I several times need to change
the positions of my hair, ears, ear rings and the headphone, it's
always a pain at the beginning. After a while it's ok and after hours
it becomes a pain again. Your ears likely are "normal" ;).
9:27 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:01:44 +0100, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
It's an open design though
Open design isn't that bad, as long as we don't record e.g. a capella
with a click track on the phones, that could "crosstalk" to the mics.
IMO comb filter effects aren't caused by headphones. As most people I
prefer half-open, but a microphone does record the noise of those
too. When I had to provide headphones in my home studio for several
people, I once bought cheap, but relatively ok sounding open headphones
and those open headphones didn't cause issues.
17 Dec
17 Dec
8:05 a.m.
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I wonder what headphone has a better sound quality
than the AKG K 240
DF and at the same time is that robust as this headphone.
I use Audio-Technica ATH-M50's. They're not perfect, but I've found
nothing better.
The downside is that treble around 2-5kHz is noticeably boosted...not
enough to sound unnatural, but enough that you can't mix with them
without keeping that in mind. (Then again, you're not supposed to mix
on headphones anyway.) The slight boost does bring out detail though.
I'm not meaning to emphasize the bad parts -- it really is the best I've
found, and I use them for everything, from producing to just casual
listening. They're good for everything.
I got my AKG around 30 years ago, when it was the most
used and IMO
best studio headphone used in Germany. Within those decades there were
several better sounding headphones used in professional studios here
(but not in my home studio). All of them had a weak point. While you
can play soccer with the AKG K 240 DF without damaging it, those
headphones with a better sound quality, that still is relatively
neutral, so that they can be used for recording in addition to
monitors (not as a replacement for monitors ;), cause broken noise,
once they fall down from face value.
I have AKG-K240's too. They're more comfortable to wear than the
Audio-Technicas, but I agree that newer headphones beat them on just
about everything.
27 Dec
27 Dec
7:21 a.m.
On 17 December 2014 at 1:05, Brent Busby <brent(a)keycorner.org> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
[snip]
I wonder what headphone has a better sound
quality than the AKG K 240
DF and at the same time is that robust as this headphone.
I use Audio-Technica ATH-M50's. They're not perfect, but I've found
nothing better.
The downside is that treble around 2-5kHz is noticeably boosted...not
enough to sound unnatural, but enough that you can't mix with them
without keeping that in mind. (Then again, you're not supposed to mix
on headphones anyway.) The slight boost does bring out detail though.
I have AKG-K240's too. They're more comfortable to wear than the
Audio-Technicas, but I agree that newer headphones beat them on just
about everything.
I use AKG K240s to check on a mix as they sound as identical
as I can tell to my Altec Lansing studio monitors. I also own
ATH-M50s, and agree with the mid-band boost observation. But,
that's mild compared to the low end boost. But, the boost can
come in handy when tracking a bass or drums. I enjoy the M50s.
But, I don't trust them as a reference. I do see a lot of live
sound engineers using them.
Cheerio...
--
Kevin
17 Dec
17 Dec
10:04 a.m.
On 12/16/2014 06:09 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Hi,
I wonder what headphone has a better sound quality than the
AKG K 240 DF and at the same time is that robust as this headphone.
I tried quite a lot, and settled for beyer dynamic dt 231 pro. Some find
them a little bassy, but they sound full and crisp to me, comfortable on
the ears. Plus quite affordable.
NB: I wouldn't mix with them or any other headphones, though, but that's
another topic :-(
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17 Jan
17 Jan
7:04 a.m.
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
I wonder what headphone has a better sound quality
than the
AKG K 240 DF and at the same time is that robust as this headphone.
I was just reminded the other day I've been using Sennheiser HD 650 for
10 years, now. I have not played soccer with my headphones :), but
I have acciddently dropped them a few times off a standing desk.
The earpads and cable have been replaced a few times, but they still
work well (with replacement parts readily available). Keep in mind the
infamous "Sennheiser veil" tends to make some recordings sound better
than they actually are. If anything, I think they're great for showing
the _potential_ of a rough mix or recording.
But I'm mainly a music lover but have been dabbling in post-production
(live audience/soundboard recordings).
11:58 a.m.
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 06:04:18 +0000, Eric Wong wrote:
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com>
wrote:
:D
I wonder what headphone has a better sound
quality than the
AKG K 240 DF and at the same time is that robust as this
headphone.
I was just reminded the other day I've been using Sennheiser HD 650
for 10 years, now. I have not played soccer with my headphones :),
but I have acciddently dropped them a few times off a standing desk. The earpads and cable have been replaced a few times,
but they still
work well (with replacement parts readily available).
In around 30 years of usage I replaced the earpads of my AKG just one
time and the cable and jack a few times too. The earpads needed several
replacements too, but I waited and ordered them, when I was working for
an audio company, so I got them for the very, very cheap prime
cost, instead of the much, much too expensive retail price. However,
it's important to get headphones, for which spare parts are available
for a few decades. It's bad enough that repairing several old synth is
nearly impossible.
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