31 Jul
2007
31 Jul
'07
5:57 a.m.
Hi,
Does anyone know of a LADSPA or DSSI plugin for granular synthesis. It
needs to be capable of using a user-defined wavetable or soundfile as a
source for grain data.
Thanks,
Jamie
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31 Jul
31 Jul
7:25 p.m.
I don't think there ever will be one given that everyone who is
interested in granular synthesis has a different idea of its
functionality/application. But since you can now use csound as
LADSPA/DSSI client, it could be an interesting project to roll one's
own...
./MiS
On 7/31/07, Jamie Bullock <jamie(a)postlude.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone know of a LADSPA or DSSI plugin for granular synthesis. It
needs to be capable of using a user-defined wavetable or soundfile as a
source for grain data.
Thanks,
Jamie
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www.postlude.co.uk
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1 Aug
1 Aug
2:26 p.m.
Hi MiS. You were recently mentioned to me on the Pd list as a fellow
Pd/Csound user... been having some issues, might contact you off-list...
I don't know if Csound yet has the ability to act as a DSSI instrument, only
a host, I thought. It will act as a LADSPA plugin, for Audacity and Muse
that I know of (somehow doesn't seem to work with Rosegarden or Ardour for
me).
But, having played with Csound's granular a good deal, I *highly* recommend
it for anyone interested in that. Using a user-defined waveform is
standard, you can control every aspect, switch between waveforms, do other
effects on the result, and honestly I think it's capable of things no other
program is with granular. Definitely miles ahead of Reason's Maelstrom.
Like I said, I don't believe it can be a DSSI instrument yet, but it can be
controlled by MIDI through aconnect or qjackctl.
I've used both the "fog" and "fof2" commands for great granular
effects. I
believe "fog" was the one I found most useful.
-Chuckk
On 7/31/07, Michal Seta <mis(a)artengine.ca> wrote:
I don't think there ever will be one given that everyone who is
interested in granular synthesis has a different idea of its
functionality/application. But since you can now use csound as
LADSPA/DSSI client, it could be an interesting project to roll one's
own...
./MiS
On 7/31/07, Jamie Bullock <jamie(a)postlude.co.uk> wrote:
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Hi,
Does anyone know of a LADSPA or DSSI plugin for granular synthesis. It
needs to be capable of using a user-defined wavetable or soundfile as a
source for grain data.
Thanks,
Jamie
--
www.postlude.co.uk
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3:52 p.m.
On 8/1/07, Chuckk Hubbard <badmuthahubbard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi MiS. You were recently mentioned to me on the Pd
list as a fellow
Pd/Csound user... been having some issues, might contact you off-list...
Sure, I also hang out sometimes on #dataflow channel on
irc.freenode.org (as MiS). Feel free to write to me. I also fool
around with untempered tunings :) I haven't used csound in a while
(years!) but I have been getting back to it recently.
I don't know if Csound yet has the ability to act
as a DSSI instrument, only
a host, I thought. It will act as a LADSPA plugin, for Audacity and Muse
that I know of (somehow doesn't seem to work with Rosegarden or Ardour for
me).
in the scons options buildDSSI says "build DSSI/LADSPA host opcodes".
I have not used CSound as a LADSPA/DSSI plugin my understanding is
that it can be both. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
But, having played with Csound's granular a good
deal, I *highly* recommend
it for anyone interested in that. Using a user-defined waveform is
standard, you can control every aspect, switch between waveforms, do other
effects on the result, and honestly I think it's capable of things no other
program is with granular.
I am planning to do a csound rewrite of my (not so) granular pd
performance patch. It is not quite granular because I rarely use
grains smaller than 500ms but otherwise it is loosely based on some
ideas behind the pulsar synthesis. But I use only "granular sampling"
technique where I use only live-sampled waveforms (which,
nevertheless, is stored in arrays (aka buffers)).
Definitely miles ahead of Reason's Maelstrom.
Whatever that is... :)
Like I said, I don't believe it can be a DSSI
instrument yet, but it can be
controlled by MIDI through aconnect or qjackctl.
and OSC, too.
I've used both the "fog" and
"fof2" commands for great granular effects. I
believe "fog" was the one I found most useful.
years ago, I had a simple granulator of soundfiles built with the
oscil opcode. I had to generate thousands, and even hundreds of
thousands, of lines of score, mind you, but it allowed for exactly the
control over the playback of grains I wanted (every grain was
controlled by a score statement). No, I did not write the score by
hand. Today, with kind of CPU power we have, it should be possible to
obtain interesting results in real-time and generating the score
statements with pd (using [csoundapi~], for instance) although I doubt
that pd would be able to provide the kind of resolution one would want
for really cool grain clouds (several thousands of events per second).
./MiS
4:41 p.m.
Michal Seta wrote:
in the scons options buildDSSI says "build
DSSI/LADSPA host opcodes".
I have not used CSound as a LADSPA/DSSI plugin my understanding is
that it can be both. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
Hi Michael,
that option is to build the opcodes to host DSSI and LADSPA plugins in
CSound, like those available for Pd. Instead, there's a new project
called csLADSPA which lets you write LADSPA effects in Csound.
-c.
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4:44 p.m.
Ah, thank you.
I saw that csLADSPA got built and I assumed that this option caused the build.
Thanks for clarifying.
./MiS
On 8/1/07, Cesare Marilungo <cesare(a)poeticstudios.com> wrote:
Michal Seta wrote:
in the scons options buildDSSI says "build
DSSI/LADSPA host opcodes".
I have not used CSound as a LADSPA/DSSI plugin my understanding is
that it can be both. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
Hi Michael,
that option is to build the opcodes to host DSSI and LADSPA plugins in
CSound, like those available for Pd. Instead, there's a new project
called csLADSPA which lets you write LADSPA effects in Csound.
-c.
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5:01 p.m.
On 8/1/07, Cesare Marilungo <cesare(a)poeticstudios.com> wrote:
Michal Seta wrote:
Yeah, and a quick search for "dssi" in the manual only turns up the hosting
opcodes. I just mentioned it on the csound list, so maybe it'll get picked
up by someone. I'm guessing it wouldn't take too long for someone who's
done Csound interfacing, as the Csound API and DSSI are both already really
well-defined. But I could be wrong.
-Chuckk
in the scons options buildDSSI says "build
DSSI/LADSPA host opcodes".
I have not used CSound as a LADSPA/DSSI plugin my understanding is
that it can be both. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
Hi Michael,
that option is to build the opcodes to host DSSI and LADSPA plugins in
CSound, like those available for Pd. Instead, there's a new project
called csLADSPA which lets you write LADSPA effects in Csound. 
7:10 p.m.
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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 12:26:18PM -0400, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
Hi MiS. You were recently mentioned to me on the Pd
list as a fellow
Pd/Csound user... been having some issues, might contact you off-list...
I don't know if Csound yet has the ability to act as a DSSI instrument, only
a host, I thought. It will act as a LADSPA plugin, for Audacity and Muse
that I know of (somehow doesn't seem to work with Rosegarden or Ardour for
me).
But, having played with Csound's granular a good deal, I *highly* recommend
it for anyone interested in that. Using a user-defined waveform is
standard, you can control every aspect, switch between waveforms, do other
effects on the result, and honestly I think it's capable of things no other
program is with granular. Definitely miles ahead of Reason's Maelstrom.
A band member has asked me to reproduce this lead synth sound in Linux. He originally
recorded it using Maelstrom.
http://www.restivo.org/misc/unreasonable.ogg
Do you think your Csound granular instrument be able to do this?
I'm currently using an AMS patch (using mvclpf and blvco's) to get a nice sound,
but nowhere near the Maelstrom patch.
I've used both the "fog" and
"fof2" commands for great granular effects. I
believe "fog" was the one I found most useful.
Where would I find these "fog" or "fog2" utilities? And/or a sample
orchestra which uses them?
- -ken
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11 Aug
11 Aug
5:10 a.m.
Ken Restivo wrote:
I get 404 on this link...
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8:43 p.m.
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On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 09:09:53AM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote:
Ken Restivo wrote:
I get 404 on this link...
Yeah, long gone now. I got close enough using an AMS patch through an analog delay
convolution via jconv.
- -ken
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10:59 p.m.
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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 12:26:18PM -0400, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
Hi MiS. You were recently mentioned to me on the Pd
list as a fellow
Pd/Csound user... been having some issues, might contact you off-list...
I don't know if Csound yet has the ability to act as a DSSI instrument, only
a host, I thought. It will act as a LADSPA plugin, for Audacity and Muse
that I know of (somehow doesn't seem to work with Rosegarden or Ardour for
me).
But, having played with Csound's granular a good deal, I *highly* recommend
it for anyone interested in that. Using a user-defined waveform is
standard, you can control every aspect, switch between waveforms, do other
effects on the result, and honestly I think it's capable of things no other
program is with granular. Definitely miles ahead of Reason's Maelstrom.
Like I said, I don't believe it can be a DSSI instrument yet, but it can be
controlled by MIDI through aconnect or qjackctl.
I've used both the "fog" and "fof2" commands for great granular
effects. I
believe "fog" was the one I found most useful.
By the way, my attempt to emulate that Maelstrom patch using AMS is here:
http://www.restivo.org/misc/democracy.ams
But it sounds way to bitchy and buzzy to me, compared to the original. I know nothing
about Csound or granular synthesis, but if will duplicate the Maelstrom sound then
I'll try.
- -ken
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10:57 a.m.
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Jamie Bullock schrieb:
Hi,
Does anyone know of a LADSPA or DSSI plugin for granular synthesis. It
needs to be capable of using a user-defined wavetable or soundfile as a
source for grain data.
Thanks,
Jamie
As of now, I only know Frank Barknechts pdsyncgrain dodo such a trick
the way you describe it, Csound and even SND should be capable also but
pdsyncgrain is exactly what you whant.
get it here:
footils.org
But alas! It only worked for me back in Suse 9.3, since then I never
coul make it play again - not in Ubuntu that is....
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