2 Nov
2005
2 Nov
'05
12:09 p.m.
Hi,
Very off topic, but I thought it might be of interest to some. Even
commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539
Cheers,
Mark
3 Nov
3 Nov
4:08 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next?
On Wednesday 02 November 2005 16:09, Mark Knecht was like:
Very off topic, but I thought it might be of
interest to some. Even
commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539
OT maybe, but fascinating nonetheless.
Does anyone have any idea whether these rootkits would affect Linux machines?
I live under the glorious assumption that we can't be touched by this
technology, should I start worrying?-]
I love the surprise with which people announce their discovery that Sony BMG
are bastards. Du~uh!
--
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim
5:47 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next?
HI
I was following this on /
(yes I should be doning other things!!)
After wading through the usual right wing crap it seems that sony really
are putting this thing out.
They seem to feel thay and other large companies are above the laws they
'pay' lawmakers to make.
At the moment it seems to be a windows thing, amazes me how many
Americans dont realise they have no
1 privacy
2 rights
Cheers
Bob
tim hall wrote:
On Wednesday 02 November 2005 16:09, Mark Knecht was
like:
--
Bearmusic
hearmymusic.co.uk <http:www.hearmymusic.co.uk>
Very off topic, but I thought it might be of
interest to some. Even
commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539
OT maybe, but fascinating nonetheless.
Does anyone have any idea whether these rootkits would affect Linux machines?
I live under the glorious assumption that we can't be touched by this
technology, should I start worrying?-]
I love the surprise with which people announce their discovery that Sony BMG
are bastards. Du~uh!
5:53 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next?
Try this for an update:
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/1421250
cheers
Bob
PS this really is the war Zone, they get this through and we all lose!!
tim hall wrote:
On Wednesday 02 November 2005 16:09, Mark Knecht was
like:
--
Bearmusic
hearmymusic.co.uk <http:www.hearmymusic.co.uk>
Very off topic, but I thought it might be of
interest to some. Even
commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539
OT maybe, but fascinating nonetheless.
Does anyone have any idea whether these rootkits would affect Linux machines?
I live under the glorious assumption that we can't be touched by this
technology, should I start worrying?-]
I love the surprise with which people announce their discovery that Sony BMG
are bastards. Du~uh! 
9:05 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next?
studio-64 <fsmith(a)walescomputers.co.uk>uk>:
Try this for an update:
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/1421250
PS this really is the war Zone, they get this through and we all
lose!!
Come on, FonyBMG and all the other biggies are idiot thieves on a
desperate rampage. In the past decade music industry has panicked out
of every single smart thing. They managed to screw their own A&R for
good. It's fun actually to watch them and their crap go down. A badly
written rootkit from Sony? I'm laughing essential parts of my body off
right now.
Wolfgang
4 Nov
4 Nov
10:51 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next?
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On Thursday 03 November 2005 15:04, Wolfgang Woehl wrote:
studio-64 <fsmith(a)walescomputers.co.uk>uk>:
Spiegel.De reporting about "the PR debacle" (in german)
<http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,383051,00.html>
- - Burkhard
Try this for an update:
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/1421250
PS this really is the war Zone, they get this through and we all
lose!!
Come on, FonyBMG and all the other biggies are idiot thieves on a
desperate rampage. In the past decade music industry has panicked out
of every single smart thing. They managed to screw their own A&R for
good. It's fun actually to watch them and their crap go down. A badly
written rootkit from Sony? I'm laughing essential parts of my body off
right now.
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11:13 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next?
On 11/4/05, Burkhard Woelfel <versuchsanstalt(a)gmx.de> wrote:
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On Thursday 03 November 2005 15:04, Wolfgang Woehl wrote:
I have not yet found any non-Linux English report on this that points
out it's really Microsoft's lack of system security that would let a
CDROM install system files that cause the problem, right?
- Mark
studio-64 <fsmith(a)walescomputers.co.uk>uk>:
Spiegel.De reporting about "the PR debacle" (in german)
<http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,383051,00.html>
- - Burkhard Try this for an update:
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/1421250
PS this really is the war Zone, they get this through and we all
lose!!
Come on, FonyBMG and all the other biggies are idiot thieves on a
desperate rampage. In the past decade music industry has panicked out
of every single smart thing. They managed to screw their own A&R for
good. It's fun actually to watch them and their crap go down. A badly
written rootkit from Sony? I'm laughing essential parts of my body off
right now.
Wolfgang
5 Nov
5 Nov
8:22 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next?
On Friday 04 November 2005 15:12, Mark Knecht was like:
On 11/4/05, Burkhard Woelfel
<versuchsanstalt(a)gmx.de> wrote:
There is that. ;)
Sony's DRM rootkit also appears to violate the Computer Misuse Act in the UK
and may have legal problems in other parts of Europe. Plus, I'm fascinated to
read the idea that Sony appear to have used parts of LAME code in their
product, does that count as shooting yourself in the foot? Oh, and of course
it doesn't work on Linux or Macs anyway. Boycotting Sony is probably
worthwhile, although that probably won't mean a great deal for most people on
this list. It's probably enough that we continue to forge ahead with building
a positive alternative while we watch the corporate music business screw
itself into the ground. ;)
--
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim
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On Thursday 03 November 2005 15:04, Wolfgang Woehl wrote:
I have not yet found any non-Linux English report on this that points
out it's really Microsoft's lack of system security that would let a
CDROM install system files that cause the problem, right? studio-64 <fsmith(a)walescomputers.co.uk>uk>:
Spiegel.De reporting about "the PR debacle" (in german)
<http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,383051,00.html>
- - Burkhard Try this for an update:
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/1421250
PS this really is the war Zone, they get this through and we all
lose!!
Come on, FonyBMG and all the other biggies are idiot thieves on a
desperate rampage. In the past decade music industry has panicked out
of every single smart thing. They managed to screw their own A&R for
good. It's fun actually to watch them and their crap go down. A badly
written rootkit from Sony? I'm laughing essential parts of my body off
right now.
Wolfgang
3:59 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next?
"It's probably enough that we continue to forge ahead with building
a positive alternative while we watch the corporate music business screw
itself into the ground. ;) "
Just about says it all!!
Dont worry about the million M$ users in the world, think about
the 5 1/2 billion who are waiting to get computers!!
Cheers
Bob
tim hall wrote:
On Friday 04 November 2005 15:12, Mark Knecht was
like:
--
Bearmusic
hearmymusic.co.uk <http:www.hearmymusic.co.uk>
On 11/4/05, Burkhard Woelfel
<versuchsanstalt(a)gmx.de> wrote:
There is that. ;)
Sony's DRM rootkit also appears to violate the Computer Misuse Act in the UK
and may have legal problems in other parts of Europe. Plus, I'm fascinated to
read the idea that Sony appear to have used parts of LAME code in their
product, does that count as shooting yourself in the foot? Oh, and of course
it doesn't work on Linux or Macs anyway. Boycotting Sony is probably
worthwhile, although that probably won't mean a great deal for most people on
this list. It's probably enough that we continue to forge ahead with building
a positive alternative while we watch the corporate music business screw
itself into the ground. ;) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
On Thursday 03 November 2005 15:04, Wolfgang Woehl wrote:
I have not yet found any non-Linux English report on this that points
out it's really Microsoft's lack of system security that would let a
CDROM install system files that cause the problem, right? studio-64 <fsmith(a)walescomputers.co.uk>uk>:
>Try this for an update:
>http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/1421250
>PS this really is the war Zone, they get this through and we all
>lose!!
Come on, FonyBMG and all the other biggies are idiot thieves on a
desperate rampage. In the past decade music industry has panicked out
of every single smart thing. They managed to screw their own A&R for
good. It's fun actually to watch them and their crap go down. A badly
written rootkit from Sony? I'm laughing essential parts of my body off
right now.
Wolfgang
Spiegel.De reporting about "the PR debacle" (in german)
<http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,383051,00.html>
- - Burkhard 
9 Nov
9 Nov
10:31 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next?
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 08:09:40AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
Hi,
Very off topic, but I thought it might be of interest to some. Even
commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539
Cheers,
Mark
A good incentive to make GNU/Linux the platform of choice:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html
http://www.eff.org/Infrastructure/trusted_computing/20031001_tc.php
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
Sorry if unrelated & OT, but subject mentioned "What next?"
--
Chris.
======
Reproduction if desired may be handled locally. -- rfc3
11:44 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next?
Chris Bannister wrote:
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 08:09:40AM -0800, Mark Knecht
wrote:
Added to the 'must read' link category on my blog. Thanks.
c.
www.cesaremarilungo.com
Hi,
Very off topic, but I thought it might be of interest to some. Even
commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539
Cheers,
Mark
A good incentive to make GNU/Linux the platform of choice:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html
http://www.eff.org/Infrastructure/trusted_computing/20031001_tc.php
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
Sorry if unrelated & OT, but subject mentioned "What next?"
11:57 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next?
On 11/9/05, Chris Bannister <mockingbird(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 08:09:40AM -0800, Mark Knecht
wrote:
I weas being a bit sarcastic when I wrote that. Sort of like 'WTF'?!? ;-)
Hi,
Very off topic, but I thought it might be of interest to some. Even
commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539
Cheers,
Mark
A good incentive to make GNU/Linux the platform of choice:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html
http://www.eff.org/Infrastructure/trusted_computing/20031001_tc.php
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
Sorry if unrelated & OT, but subject mentioned "What next?"
--
Chris.
10 Nov
10 Nov
7:13 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next?
Mark Knecht wrote:
On 11/9/05, Chris Bannister
<mockingbird(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote:
HI
May be off topic at the moment but will be very on topic if they get
this in!
Imagine sending a wav file to someone who then can't read it because you
can't attest the file!
maybe even CD players that won't play certain CD's (made with
Audacity/Ardour come to mind)
The rootkit is just the start I think.
Cheers
Bob
Bearmusic
hearmymusic.co.uk <http:www.hearmymusic.co.uk>
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 08:09:40AM -0800, Mark
Knecht wrote:
I weas being a bit sarcastic when I wrote that. Sort of like 'WTF'?!? ;-)
Hi,
Very off topic, but I thought it might be of interest to some. Even
commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539
Cheers,
Mark
A good incentive to make GNU/Linux the platform of choice:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html
http://www.eff.org/Infrastructure/trusted_computing/20031001_tc.php
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
Sorry if unrelated & OT, but subject mentioned "What next?"
--
Chris. 
10:32 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next?
On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:13:21AM +0000, studio-64 wrote:
...
HI
May be off topic at the moment but will be very on topic if they get
this in!
Imagine sending a wav file to someone who then can't read it because you
can't attest the file!
maybe even CD players that won't play certain CD's (made with
Audacity/Ardour come to mind)
The rootkit is just the start I think.
I totally agree; this was just a stupid,
awkward, premature attempt at
implementing something larger, most likely a quickfix while waiting for
something else. Anybody caring about music, computers, and freedom, as I
would guess most people do here, has got to be in on that one... Or
they'll look pretty silly whenever someone manages to get some
DECSS-like encryption on music-CDs, and ISPs are suddenly compelled by
law to filter any audio file which doesn't sport an "approved" tag.
Ultimately, it might geopardise, not only our ability to listen to music
from our favourite artist/band/musician, but also to create our own
music/audio art (at least without paying hefty sums to the big bullies).
Keep your ears open,
S.M.
Cheers
Bob
Bearmusic
hearmymusic.co.uk <http:www.hearmymusic.co.uk>
--
smassy(a)sdf.lonestar.org
11:35 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next?
S. Massy wrote:
On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:13:21AM +0000, studio-64
wrote:
...
This could really happen. And you know why? Because the most of the
people are fine with it. The brainwashing worked so well.
As any right winged guy could tell you, the world isn't made of people
anymore, but of good and bad customers.
Beware, my friends!
c.
www.cesaremarilungo.com
HI
May be off topic at the moment but will be very on topic if they get
this in!
Imagine sending a wav file to someone who then can't read it because you
can't attest the file!
maybe even CD players that won't play certain CD's (made with
Audacity/Ardour come to mind)
The rootkit is just the start I think.
I totally agree; this was just a stupid, awkward, premature attempt at
implementing something larger, most likely a quickfix while waiting for
something else. Anybody caring about music, computers, and freedom, as I
would guess most people do here, has got to be in on that one... Or
they'll look pretty silly whenever someone manages to get some
DECSS-like encryption on music-CDs, and ISPs are suddenly compelled by
law to filter any audio file which doesn't sport an "approved" tag.
Ultimately, it might geopardise, not only our ability to listen to music
from our favourite artist/band/musician, but also to create our own
music/audio art (at least without paying hefty sums to the big bullies).
Keep your ears open,
S.M.
Cheers
Bob
Bearmusic
hearmymusic.co.uk <http:www.hearmymusic.co.uk>
10:55 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next?
Mark Knecht wrote:
Hi,
Very off topic, but I thought it might be of interest to some. Even
commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539
Cheers,
Mark
Seems some legal action is commencing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4424254.stm
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