16 Jan
2007
16 Jan
'07
3:30 a.m.
Hi,
Sorry for crossposting, which is intentional. See below ;)
I personally think that this multiplication of LA lists is not a good thing.
The idea, proposed by Ivica, which politely suggests the migration of all
those lists to an unique one seems very good to me.
I would even suggest the usage of a forum (à la php-forum) for information
sharing. Those forums would allow multiple topics (LAD, LAA, LAU, Ardour,
Rosegarden, MuSE, Jack, ... ) and in the same time facilitate the research,
the tracking of topics and the most important thing, would allow the linux
newcomers to see all the work done in those lists.
I hope that I'm not irritating anyone by suggesting the above, but we are all
conscious of the fact that linux audio is still a niche "market" so having an
unique point of access to the posts would really be awesome.
Cheers,
Predrag Viceic
http://freecycle.redsteamrecords.com
16 Jan
16 Jan
4:37 a.m.
Predrag Viceic wrote:
I would even suggest the usage of a forum (à la
php-forum) for information
sharing. Those forums would allow multiple topics (LAD, LAA, LAU, Ardour,
Rosegarden, MuSE, Jack, ... ) and in the same time facilitate the research,
the tracking of topics and the most important thing, would allow the linux
newcomers to see all the work done in those lists.
The idea of forcing the abomination called forums on long time users of
the list has already been discarded.
I hope that I'm not irritating anyone by
suggesting the above, but we are all
conscious of the fact that linux audio is still a niche "market" so having an
unique point of access to the posts would really be awesome.
There's nothing wrong with a site where one can go and use something
like Google to find individual posts. A lot of lists I'm on have
searchable list archives accessible that way, often provided by the list
server software they're using. That doesn't require use of a forum.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
6:37 a.m.
On 1/16/07, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
The idea of forcing the abomination called forums on
long time users of
the list has already been discarded.
There's nothing wrong with a site where one can go and use something
like Google to find individual posts. A lot of lists I'm on have
searchable list archives accessible that way, often provided by the list
server software they're using. That doesn't require use of a forum.
I second that.
LAD/LAU were the first mailing lists I subscribed to. Before, I used
and knew only forums.
And I can say, mailing list is a MUCH more effective (and more
personal: you send a letter to many people, instead of writing
something on a board that everybody can see).
Regards,
Dmitry.
10:42 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
Hello,
I prefer a mailinglist over a forum but talking about information
sharing, I wonder if there is a central howto page, more user oriented,
which shows at one central point what and how audio stuff can be
archived on Linux, what are the problems and WHY they are there (if
there is one please excuse my ignorance). There is the Alsa project page
which offers good hardware information, there is linux-sound.org which
is an amazing ressource of links to applications but these sites assume
that you know what you are searching for. I guess there are lots of
people who just want to create music and look over the Windows fence but
are overwhelmed by the complexity of choice and think that everything is
complicated. Jacklab and Ubuntustudio is a bit in this direction. I
guess it has to be a wiki and communitydriven but also has to have a
certain asthetic standard to not putoff the enduser. Biggest challange
now in my opinion for Open Source is enduser documentation. Adam Hydes
Flossmanual http://www.flossmanuals.net is a good hit in that direction.
Cheers,
Malte
--
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media art + development
-www.block4.com-
12:18 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
Oh dear...
Please note that Linuxaudio.org offer does *not* suggest moving to forums.
Again, let me repeat, it does *not* suggest moving to forums.
It suggests moving the existing mailing lists LAD/LAU/LAA, so that they are
hosted under Linuxaudio.org. They would still remain the same lists with
same subscribers and same features. The only difference is that we would
have them under the Linuxaudio.org umbrella. Namely, we would have
linux-audio-dev(a)linuxaudio.org etc., instead of
linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu. But also, more importantly, these as
well as any other relevant lists that end-up being consolidated, would be
found under *one* *single* URL: lists.linuxaudio.org. And that, in and of
itself in my book (and I am sure in a book of any newcomer to Linux audio)
would be truly priceless.
Best wishes,
Ico
9:33 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
Oh, I don't have any problem with that!
Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
Oh dear...
Please note that Linuxaudio.org offer does *not* suggest moving to forums.
Again, let me repeat, it does *not* suggest moving to forums.
It suggests moving the existing mailing lists LAD/LAU/LAA, so that they are
hosted under Linuxaudio.org. They would still remain the same lists with
same subscribers and same features. The only difference is that we would
have them under the Linuxaudio.org umbrella. Namely, we would have
linux-audio-dev(a)linuxaudio.org etc., instead of
linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu. But also, more importantly, these as
well as any other relevant lists that end-up being consolidated, would be
found under *one* *single* URL: lists.linuxaudio.org. And that, in and of
itself in my book (and I am sure in a book of any newcomer to Linux audio)
would be truly priceless.
Best wishes,
Ico
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
17 Jan
17 Jan
3:12 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
I didn't pretend that Linuxaudio.org suggest moving to forums. Read my post.
*I* suggest moving to forums as *I* think it's better way to exchange the info
than those 90-tish, Mailman powered, mailing lists where you can't even
search for posts or whatever.
And apparently I'm not the only one that pretends that:
Ardour has a forum: http://ardour.org/forum/15
Rosegarden has a forum: http://www.nabble.com/RoseGarden-f2887.html
Hydrogen has a forum : http://www.hydrogen-music.org/forum/
etc. etc. etc.
WFT?! even glibc has a forum !!
http://www.nabble.com/Sourceware---glibc-f12198.html
The idea I had in mind when talking about linux audio forums:
http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/
Predrag Viceic
http://freecycle.redsteamrecords.com
And no, Freecycle does not have a forum because Savanah doesn't provide such
tool.
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are solely mine and not of the members of
linuxaudio.org "consortium".
Le mardi 16 janvier 2007 17:17, Ivica Ico Bukvic a écrit :
Oh dear...
Please note that Linuxaudio.org offer does *not* suggest moving to forums.
Again, let me repeat, it does *not* suggest moving to forums.
It suggests moving the existing mailing lists LAD/LAU/LAA, so that they are
hosted under Linuxaudio.org. They would still remain the same lists with
same subscribers and same features. The only difference is that we would
have them under the Linuxaudio.org umbrella. Namely, we would have
linux-audio-dev(a)linuxaudio.org etc., instead of
linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu. But also, more importantly, these as
well as any other relevant lists that end-up being consolidated, would be
found under *one* *single* URL: lists.linuxaudio.org. And that, in and of
itself in my book (and I am sure in a book of any newcomer to Linux audio)
would be truly priceless.
Best wishes,
Ico
19 Jan
19 Jan
1:25 a.m.
New subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
i don't see why we need to "move" to forums. mailing lists and forums
have a different target audience and purpose.
however i strongly support a linux audio related forum - especially for
people new to the subject or searching for help (right now they turn up
on irc in order to make fools out of themselves), an aggregation of
knowledge in form of organizable threads that can be browsed wouldn't be
such a terrible idea.
"we need one because others have one" is a stupid argument. there are
far better arguments for a forum.
i think all that is needed is someone with some (security related)
experience with forums and enough time to set it up and moderate - i am
convinced ico or whoever is responsible for la.org will happily provide
resources for such an experiment.
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 08:11 +0100, Predrag Viceic wrote:
I didn't pretend that Linuxaudio.org suggest
moving to forums. Read my post.
*I* suggest moving to forums as *I* think it's better way to exchange the info
than those 90-tish, Mailman powered, mailing lists where you can't even
search for posts or whatever.
And apparently I'm not the only one that pretends that:
Ardour has a forum: http://ardour.org/forum/15
Rosegarden has a forum: http://www.nabble.com/RoseGarden-f2887.html
Hydrogen has a forum : http://www.hydrogen-music.org/forum/
etc. etc. etc.
WFT?! even glibc has a forum !!
http://www.nabble.com/Sourceware---glibc-f12198.html
The idea I had in mind when talking about linux audio forums:
http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/
Predrag Viceic
http://freecycle.redsteamrecords.com
And no, Freecycle does not have a forum because Savanah doesn't provide such
tool.
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are solely mine and not of the members of
linuxaudio.org "consortium".
Le mardi 16 janvier 2007 17:17, Ivica Ico Bukvic a écrit :
--
Leonard Ritter
-- Freelance Art & Logic
-- http://www.leonard-ritter.com
Oh dear...
Please note that Linuxaudio.org offer does *not* suggest moving to forums.
Again, let me repeat, it does *not* suggest moving to forums.
It suggests moving the existing mailing lists LAD/LAU/LAA, so that they are
hosted under Linuxaudio.org. They would still remain the same lists with
same subscribers and same features. The only difference is that we would
have them under the Linuxaudio.org umbrella. Namely, we would have
linux-audio-dev(a)linuxaudio.org etc., instead of
linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu. But also, more importantly, these as
well as any other relevant lists that end-up being consolidated, would be
found under *one* *single* URL: lists.linuxaudio.org. And that, in and of
itself in my book (and I am sure in a book of any newcomer to Linux audio)
would be truly priceless.
Best wishes,
Ico
_______________________________________________
Consortium mailing list
Consortium(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/consortium 
6:51 a.m.
New subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
On 1/19/07, Leonard Ritter <contact(a)leonard-ritter.com> wrote:
i don't see why we need to "move" to
forums. mailing lists and forums
have a different target audience and purpose.
however i strongly support a linux audio related forum - especially for
people new to the subject or searching for help (right now they turn up
on irc in order to make fools out of themselves), an aggregation of
knowledge in form of organizable threads that can be browsed wouldn't be
such a terrible idea.
"we need one because others have one" is a stupid argument. there are
far better arguments for a forum.
i think all that is needed is someone with some (security related)
experience with forums and enough time to set it up and moderate - i am
convinced ico or whoever is responsible for la.org will happily provide
resources for such an experiment.
Ok, Apparently forum addicts have decided to hijack this thread
though, the original question was : do you want LA* _lists_ (LIST is
the keyword here, can't stress it enough) to be moved to
linuxaudio.org.
I have noting against the idea of a forum, the people interested in
this are free to build and maintain one and eventually discuss it with
Ico. I'm sure
__________________
Marc-Olivier Barre,
Markinoko.
6:54 a.m.
New subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
Ok, Apparently forum addicts have decided to hijack
this thread
though, the original question was : do you want LA* _lists_ (LIST is
the keyword here, can't stress it enough) to be moved to
linuxaudio.org.
I have noting against the idea of a forum, the people interested in
this are free to build and maintain one and eventually discuss it with
Ico. I'm sure
__________________
Marc-Olivier Barre,
Markinoko.
Ok, I've hit the post button in the middle of my post... I was saying
that I was sure a forum could help a lot of newbie not interested in a
mailing list.
Now could we get back to the original question and take a decision ?
Cheers,
--
__________________
Marc-Olivier Barre,
Markinoko.
9:37 a.m.
New subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
2007/1/19, Marc-Olivier Barre <mobarre(a)gmail.com>om>:
Now could we get back to the original question and
take a decision ?
la[adu](a)linuxaudio.org would definitely ease the situation at
exhibitions and trade shows.
++moving_lad_to_la.org
Arnold
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verhindern könnte, würde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und
einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen.
10:18 a.m.
New subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
"Marc-Olivier Barre" <mobarre(a)gmail.com> writes:
Now could we get back to the original question and
take a decision ?
My thoughts:
* It is better place because of name (columbia.edu?!?!?) (++)
* It is working now, why we need to move it (--)
* Isn't it be better to spend efforst on wiki instead (--)
Summary:
I'm not against.
--
Nedko Arnaudov <GnuPG KeyID: DE1716B0>
10:19 a.m.
New subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 11:54 +0100, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:
votes++ for the move.
Ok, Apparently
forum addicts have decided to hijack this thread
though, the original question was : do you want LA* _lists_ (LIST is
the keyword here, can't stress it enough) to be moved to
linuxaudio.org.
I have noting against the idea of a forum, the people interested in
this are free to build and maintain one and eventually discuss it with
Ico. I'm sure
__________________
Marc-Olivier Barre,
Markinoko.
Ok, I've hit the post button in the middle of my post... I was saying
that I was sure a forum could help a lot of newbie not interested in a
mailing list.
Now could we get back to the original question and take a decision ? 
11:59 a.m.
New subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
Paul Davis wrote:
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 11:54 +0100, Marc-Olivier Barre
wrote:
votes++ for the move.
probably not many replies because people don't care if it's moved from
one server to another. Doesn't make a difference to me just as long as
the service is the same or better.
--
brad fuller
http://www.Sonaural.com/
+1 (408) 799-6124
Ok,
Apparently forum addicts have decided to hijack this thread
though, the original question was : do you want LA* _lists_ (LIST is
the keyword here, can't stress it enough) to be moved to
linuxaudio.org.
I have noting against the idea of a forum, the people interested in
this are free to build and maintain one and eventually discuss it with
Ico. I'm sure
__________________
Marc-Olivier Barre,
Markinoko.
Ok, I've hit the post button in the middle of my post... I was saying
that I was sure a forum could help a lot of newbie not interested in a
mailing list.
Now could we get back to the original question and take a decision ? 
1:03 p.m.
New subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
fredag 19 januari 2007 11:54 skrev Marc-Olivier Barre:
Now could we get back to the original question and
take a decision ?
I vote yes.
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1:20 p.m.
New subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
On 1/19/07, Bengt Gördén <bengan(a)kthnoc.net> wrote:
fredag 19 januari 2007 11:54 skrev Marc-Olivier
Barre:
Like others I'm fine with moving the server to another domain as long
as there is an honest effrot to keep the service up. This has been a
great list. I'd hate to see it get hurt, but I'm pretty confident it
won't be.
As for the forums thing, I like forums a lot. Granted, I have to make
an effort to use them whereas email just arrives. Forums are *far*
easier to search and (IMO) far better places for newbies (and oldbies
like me) to find info. email lists tend to be hard to search &
archived in strange places at times, but they do provide a high degree
of immediacy which I think lots of folks like.
Coming from the Pro Tools forums, and considering the subject matter,
I probably would have prefered the last 6 years of me being around LAU
be in a forum. As for changing it's not likely that we'd ever get the
same crowd of folks makign contributions which is what the important
thing really is.
By the way - one negative thing about email lists is that my response
will not be seen by everyone who saw what I'm replying to since I'm
not subscribed to all the lists on this email.
- Mark
Now could we get back to the original question
and take a decision ?
I vote yes.
1:29 p.m.
New subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
On 1/19/07, Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As for the forums thing, I like forums a lot. Granted,
I have to make
an effort to use them whereas email just arrives. Forums are *far*
easier to search and (IMO) far better places for newbies (and oldbies
like me) to find info. email lists tend to be hard to search &
archived in strange places at times, but they do provide a high degree
of immediacy which I think lots of folks like.
Why not move to a google group? You can opt to recieve emails if you want
or just use it through the web (sort of like a forum).
1:33 p.m.
New subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
On 1/19/07, Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
By the way - one negative thing about email lists is that my response
will not be seen by everyone who saw what I'm replying to since I'm
not subscribed to all the lists on this email.
Wrong, if a non member posts on the list, it's my job to review the
message and accept it if it's not spam and for LAA if and only if it's
an announcement.
__________________
Marc-Olivier Barre,
Markinoko.
1:51 p.m.
New subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
Marc-Olivier,
Please see the quote below. The response has these two addresses:
consortium(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu
I was celarly prohibited form responding to the second. I'm not even
sure what the first one is but I am not a
consortium(a)lists.linuxaudio.org subscriber so before responding I
would have to assume my response would be trashed.
Anyway, not a big deal. I'm just making the point that often with
email lists people start adding other desitinations that some are not
subscribed to. That doesn't work and isn't an issue with forums.
Again, please don't confuse this point with whether I would user
lists or forums. They are both great if the community participate and
useless if the community does not.
- Mark
On 1/19/07, Marc-Olivier Barre <mobarre(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/19/07, Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
<SNIP>
"linux-audio-dev-owner(a)music.columbia.edu"
to me
show details
9:20 am (26 minutes ago)
You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are
being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
linux-audio-dev-owner(a)music.columbia.edu.
<SNIP>
By the way - one negative thing about email lists is that my response
will not be seen by everyone who saw what I'm replying to since I'm
not subscribed to all the lists on this email.
Wrong, if a non member posts on the list, it's my job to review the
message and accept it if it's not spam and for LAA if and only if it's
an announcement.
__________________
Marc-Olivier Barre,
Markinoko.
2:56 p.m.
New subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/...
me too.
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 17:59 +0100, Bengt Gördén wrote:
fredag 19 januari 2007 11:54 skrev Marc-Olivier
Barre:
--
Leonard Ritter
-- Freelance Art & Logic
-- http://www.leonard-ritter.com
Now could we get back to the original question
and take a decision ?
I vote yes.
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