I've found some of them, but I found no-one using it for recording (with Ardour or whatever). Good, good :) In the manual, they say you can choose between MIDI and "key commands". However, it seems that the mapping is done by some software that needs to be running. Is it like this in your RK2? I guess that's the HID events you're referring too... in that case I could just use puredata as you say, or create some simple program for doing it. I could live with that. How does the caiaq driver handle these events? How do you capture them? Yes, but the problem right now is that Firewire is out of question (as I have some bogus Ricoh chipset), and there are not many USB2 devices working right now... I'd love to be proven wrong on this one :) That wouldn't be a big deal, I could hack something... I just want to make sure that I won't end up with some piece of hardware that has no hope of ever being used on Linux. Thanks a lot! Pedro

On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 19:58:04 +0200 Pedro Ferreira <ilzogoiby(a)gmail.com> wrote: The RK2 was meant for use only with the dedicated software (Guitar Rig), so I guess that's why they didn't make it MIDI-wise. But maybe the Audio Kontrol 1 is meant for a broader use, so it would be reasonable for it to have MIDI. I encourage you to ask Daniel Mack about it: he's the dev of the driver and he works for NI, he knows alot about the interiors of these devices. I think I found his mail on the alsa wiki, otherwise I can send it to you off-list. Well the driver uses the linux/input.h library to create these events; they are totally like a keyboard. For example, if I plug in my RK2 and I press button 1 on it, it has the same effect as if I press button 1 on my PC keyboard. This behaviour is coded in the kernel driver. Through supercollider I "grab" the RK2, so that it won't be avaiable to the rest of the system, and use a dedicated class (GeneralHID) to make MIDI out of it. I think I even posted some code on the alsa wiki: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/NativeInstruments#SuperCollider (I should really update that code, it's unecessarily complicated for a basic example) yeah, if you're not too uncomfortable using things like pd and sc, it definetely shouldn't be difficult. And it has it's upsides: once you learn how to do it, you know even how to generate midi from your mouse, joystick, joypad.... whatever HID. And, with some logic structures, you can do some more sophisticated things (example: keeping one certain button pressed changes all the MIDI CCs of the other buttons...) regards renato

Louigi Verona wrote: They offer multiple mono inputs. You hook one stereo channel to one input, the other stereo channel to another input, gang the two inputs together, and you have a stereo input. If that's what you mean by recording stereo. At least that's what I think you do. I'm sure the pros will correct me! -- David gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community

Louigi Verona wrote: Of what? The input in JACK??? Usually you would do this hook up in the audio program you're using. What audio program are you using? Sometimes it's done through the audio card's hardware mixer. What sound hardware does your laptop have? Of course, maybe mono is all it has for an input. My laptop's built-in audio has only one external input: microphone. I know from experience it's mono (not stereo). It's intended for mic input for computer telephony or computer gaming headsets, not recording stereo. My Behringer UCA-202 shows me two inputs in Rosegarden. By default, Rosegarden sees them as stereo. If I tell it to see the instrument as mono, I get to pick left or right channel. So I can hook the left channel to one track and the right channel to another, or both channels to the same track as stereo. I don't have any real pro audio card here, and don't really do much with audio programs beyond a bit of mixing in Audacity, which some here don't consider a pro audio program ;-). That's why I'm hoping someone else on the list can chime in! -- David gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community

2010/7/15 Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>om>: Not for real musicians. You should be getting an USB DJ-oriented gadget.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com> wrote: louigi - this is really just a question about cabling (once you get beyond your mono-mic-only laptop dilemma). i too have h/w synths, and their outputs are delivered on 1/4" TRS sockets, 1 per channel. so, when connecting this kind of equipment, the most obvious thing is to have a pair of 1/4" -> 1/4" *mono* cables and plug one end into the synth and the other into a 1/4" socket of an audio interface. it sounds as if your experience with other equipment is leading you to favor the idea of a cable with 2 1/4" *mono* jacks at one end, and 1 *stereo* jack at the other. there certainly are consumer sound cards that use stereo mini-jacks for input, so if you used one of them, this is the kind of cable you'd use. a lot of DJ equipment expects to receive/deliver stereo via such jacks too (even more true as portable digital music players have become the core playback device for many DJs) hence the suggestion above. but most equipment aimed at musicians doesn't use stereo jacks, just pairs of mono ones.

On 15 July 2010 12:15, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com> wrote: All of the multi-input cards offer that. You insert one channel to one jack and the other to an other jack, then mix them as you like. It's been some time since I had a laptop or a PC that only offered mono mic. Have you tried using a stereo microphone? The IBMs, Dells and Toshibas I have used in the past and now even could switch themselves to Line-In voltage levels. -- Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org

David, I am reading you. I have no problems with two mono inputs. But, as I've said earlier, the soundcard discussed here offers only ONE mono input. And this is exactly what I was asking - whether it offers any stereo input, be it two mono inputs or not. I guess the answer is no - that soundcard does not enable stereo input in any way. The soundcard discussed in the first mail, I mean, forgot its name now. -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/

"So, no, your sound card(what model is it?) won't do a stereo input unless it has 2 regular (line level) inputs hidden somewhere. You should have done a bit of research before buying your sound card ;)" Uh oh. It has nothing to do with my soundcard. I am a bit tired of people not being able to follow a conversation, no offence meant. Someone on the mailing list started to ask about a pretty cool soundcard. I only asked if it has a stereo input, be it two mono line inputs or one stereo input. That's it. EMU 0404 is not supported, even in new kernels, unfortunately.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 6:36 PM, James Stone <jamesmstone(a)gmail.com> wrote: So if they say that mic can be switched to a line it is correct to assume they mean a stereo input? Is line always a stereo in? -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/

A splitter I have.... but where ARE those two mono inputs? on the picture I saw only one jack input and the other that mic input. You cannot use different plugs to feed a stereo signal, as far as I know they have different voltages and you would end up with different volumes or whatnot. -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/

On Friday 16 July 2010 10:44:05 Louigi Verona wrote: I took it to mean that you switch the 1/4" jack to line and plug say the left input into that and plug the right into the Combi jack using the 1/4" jack ability. So 1/4" L and 1/4" R = stereo in. Was I figuring right? all the best, drew

On 07/16/10 12:01, Giuseppe Zompatori wrote: It's the other way round: Inputs on 'pro audio cards' are primarily designed for line levels, some even allow you to change the reference level to interface with broadcast equipment worldwide. Connecting instruments directly (or any other device with different impedance and/or level) is the exception. That's what preamps are for. Flo -- Machines can do the work, so people have time to think. public key DA43FEF4 x-hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net