Based upon your statements, I'd say your exposure to on-stage performances with computers has been rather limited. Best wishes, Ico

Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: I've been "close enough" to see what computers are being used only a few times. Outside of that, I have no idea. -- David gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community

I was just thinking in terms of music generation or modification - not controlling the rest of the stuff in the show. Vince Werber wrote: -- David gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community

Vince Werber <ka1iic(a)prexar.com> writes: This is a strength of free software and I really don't think there's enough of it, many times;). Often as well, many apps implement features, that really should be in libraries, so that other applications may use it easily as well;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n

Vince Werber wrote: Quite honstly, i think almost nobody should be installing libraries from source. Rather, I think people should install the pre-packaged library from their distribution. The only exception to the above, is developers actually working on the library and the hopefully rare cases where a developer needs to test a bleedign edge version of a library that the distribution has not yet packaged. As a library author myself, the only two libraries on my system that were installed from source are libsndfile and libsamplerate. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "It's not that perl programmers are idiots, it's that the language rewards idiotic behavior in a way that no other language or tool has ever done." -- Erik Naggum

I ran into a similar problem once, the symptom appeared to incriminate glibc at first blush, but turned out to be flac library. here's what I recorded about it: Jun 13, 2006 Figured out why xmms was dying with glibc detecting "double free or corruption:" It's because of a bug in the flac lib. Not wanting to waste time getting a new flac (I haven't at the moment got a need for FLAC) I straced xmms and found where it was loading the lib (from /usr/lib/xmms/Input/libxmms-flac.*) moved those files out of there and now xmms runs again. Maybe you're seeing something similar, since it seems unlikely that some package would be touching glibc, since so much depends on it, and upgrading glibc is somewhat tricky (well, I remember a bad experience once mv'ing libc.so on a Sun back in 1994 or so, and suddenly every command that needs libc.so fails to run, LOL, so I assume it is still tricky.) -- steve --- Vince Werber <ka1iic(a)prexar.com> wrote: ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

Thanks guys for the ideas... You are most correct.... when trying to start xmms it gives an 'invalid pointer' and says it is the 'free()' command if I remember... If needed I will check it later when I am working on that machine... Come to think of it... I think I did an upgrade on FLAC... I'll check my log... once again... thanks! vince On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:

Folks, Please don't take anything I say personal... it's not meant that way at all. The question put forward is; 'Attracting more Linux audio developers'... Here's may take on the question. All IMHO... A good way to attract more audio developers is to make it worthwhile for them to do what they do... develop. Be it for free, as in freedom, or even with a profit incentive. Also attracting more users will help. We can't attract anyone if we bicker and 'dis' persons that have given greatly in the past but because they graduated from University and need to put food on the table today. When you get old time becomes of great value, besides dis-ing anyone is extremely bad form and terribly unproductive. As my people say, 'be most respectful of the gifts that have been given'. To that I will add, don't toss gifts given in to the face of the giver... ever... If we want to attract more users what is being developed today needs to be allot more user friendly then some of the applications are to date. The "KISS" method comes to mind here. This next part I don't like but will mention it; User friendly can only exist if there are clear instructions on the useage of any package... GUI's come to mind. Many new comers don't want to even see the Uni* console, they want to see... and see clearly... That is what GUI's are for right? As for Linux audio users... it's a very small select group and that always makes it hard to get any new development going. I know of very few persons that want to play a small or empty house. I personally am looking into the 'live' distros these days. I think that they might be the way to go. I have passed around a number of 'Puppy Linux- seamonkey version' for some friends that want a change from 'micro-(semi) soft' products. It's a very user friendly distro for beginners. I also have burned a CD of the 'M-dist' live CD... that's the music live system. The idea of have different distros for specific operations seems to be a very workable way for Linux to go. Not everyone wants more than one computer so these discs are an excellent way to go. M-dist can be a bit of a challenge for a newbie tho... For the developer's keeping the libraries under control would be very helpful... Perhaps making static distros of product? I've been running Slackware since the beginning so messing with scripts and such is no big deal but for a newbies any of this could be a nightmare'. frustrating and even maddening. We have lost an unknown number of users because of setup alone... and that comes back to 'KISS'... So there's my quick blurb... for what it's worth... vince

On 12/12/06, Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)kokkinizita.net> wrote: Ah, that's classic. Well done. Gracious, what a silly argument this professional-versus-amateur thing is. I'm an amateur musician, and, while I can't say for sure that I'd be able to make music professionally, I suspect I could, and I think I'm glad I'm an amateur. I'm not sure I'd want to restrict my idiom to commercially viable rhythms and chord progressions. (It's constant eighth notes of I-V-IV, right? Or was that the nineties?) Wasn't Charles Ives an insurance salesman? I suspect the 'amateur' (that is, not making a living from it) nature of many linux audio composers/coders is in fact a positive point. Certainly features and abilities arise out of need as needed, rather than being held back until one can make money from them (then make additional monies on the .x releases.) I think it's a pointless distinction. If I'm inadvertently fanning the flames, please dump a bucket of water on my head. Yours in atonal quintuplets, the amateur rhetorician. -- daneasley(a)gmail.com dan(a)towndowner.com dan(a)burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com

How about "a fringe artist with a sane business model and a good sense for reality?" This not only enabled him to compose music he liked, but also allowed him to hire an entire ensemble to perform his works, even though his art at the time was rather hard to digest by the mainstream consumers and "professional" (there, I used the dreaded word ;-) performers alike. P.S. Dan, very much enjoyed your rhetoric ;-) Best wishes, Ico

Fons Adriaensen wrote: Please don't mix things guys. Professional is a person who makes something for living. Amateur (or hobbyist) is somebody who makes the same thing just for fun. This has nothing to do with skills or experience. Best regards, Hannu

Hannu Savolainen wrote: or for the love of it. good point -- brad fuller http://www.Sonaural.com/ +1 (408) 799-6124