13 Nov
2004
13 Nov
'04
9:17 a.m.
I just saw this on Slashdot:
Wired: Pro-Level, GPL'd Audio Editing For Linux
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/13/0423234&tid=141&tid=185…
Has anyone ever heard of this?
I don't know if it looks up to Ardour's standard.
It supports ALSA and OSS, but no mentin of JACK or LADPSA;
they mention plugins, but it looks like they have reinvented
the wheel their own way :-/
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Malc
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13 Nov
13 Nov
9:45 a.m.
Hi,
lördagen den 13 november 2004 14.17 skrev Mr. Spock:
I just saw this on Slashdot:
Wired: Pro-Level, GPL'd Audio Editing For Linux
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/13/0423234&tid=141&tid=185…
Has anyone ever heard of this?
The word has apparently been out a few days only.
I don't know if it looks up to Ardour's
standard.
As far as I understand it you'd rather compare it to Rosegarden and MusE than
Ardour, though all three abviously have lots in common.
Haven't test it (yet) so I don't know how it works. It's called 0.1 so I guess
they still have a lot to do.
I find it interesting that they have gone through implementing this and
obviously do not hang on any of the Linux Audio mailinglists. I've never
heard their names before atleast.
Possibly audio under Linux is getting bigger than this community, even more
possible is that we do not announce our presence enough.
It supports ALSA and OSS, but no mentin of JACK or
LADPSA;
I think JACK was mentioned, support through Portaudio if I'm not mistaken.
LADSPA does not seem like it's added yet.
/Robert
they mention plugins, but it looks like they have
reinvented
the wheel their own way :-/
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11:33 a.m.
Robert Jonsson wrote:
I find it interesting that they have gone through
implementing this and
obviously do not hang on any of the Linux Audio mailinglists. I've never
heard their names before atleast.
Possibly audio under Linux is getting bigger than this community, even more
possible is that we do not announce our presence enough.
We shouldn't be surprised. There is considerable development in Linux
audio that has nothing to do with the LA* lists. Consider just these
domains of activity:
Java sound software
Radio & telephony
aRts development
Multimedia projects (mplayer, xine)
Csound5
In addition to those domains there are also many developers who simply
prefer going their own way and do not belong to (or are not active on)
these lists. There are also some developers who disagree with the
ALSA/JACK/LADSPA model foundation for Linux audio software. Personally I
think that's extremely short-sighted but I understand that developers
may not be happy about dumping a project in which they've invested
considerable time and energy. It may prove to be impossible to adapt.
It's good to be reminded that we're not the only ones interested in
Linux audio projects. Yes, I'd like for everyone interested in such
projects to be represented on LA*, but obviously no-one can force them
to be here.
Btw, I'll be updating the Linux soundapps pages again. Wired isn't the
only interesting new application that's appeared since the last update... ;)
Best,
dp
12:08 p.m.
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:39:31 -0500
Dave Phillips <dlphilp(a)bright.net> wrote:
We shouldn't be surprised. There is considerable
development in Linux
audio that has nothing to do with the LA* lists.
We tend to keep an ear out for audio projects, though, so when I
hear about this on slashdot, of all places, it catches me by surprise!
Wired seems to use JACK but not LADSPA, btw. I wish them luck, but
Ardour's some mighty competition!
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14 Nov
14 Nov
7:55 a.m.
Last Saturday 13 November 2004 15:39, Dave Phillips was like:
In addition to those domains there are also many
developers who simply
prefer going their own way and do not belong to (or are not active on)
these lists. There are also some developers who disagree with the
ALSA/JACK/LADSPA model foundation for Linux audio software. Personally I
think that's extremely short-sighted but I understand that developers
may not be happy about dumping a project in which they've invested
considerable time and energy. It may prove to be impossible to adapt.
Yes, of course developers are free to go in whatever direction they please.
However, as a user, I find the ALSA/JACK/LADSPA model so strong and useful
that I am loathe to learn any applications that don't operate in this
environment. Developers that communicate with each other seem much more
likely to respond to queries from their user-base and the pool of Linux
expertise represented by these lists gives me confidence that these
applications probably will continue to be maintained and supported long
enough for me to get a few albums completed.
Big up to the LADs!
This was a statement for the DoPBO. ;-)
tim hall
4:13 p.m.
tim hall <tech(a)glastonburymusic.org.uk> wrote:
Yes, of course developers are free to go in whatever
direction they please.
However, as a user, I find the ALSA/JACK/LADSPA model so strong and useful
that I am loathe to learn any applications that don't operate in this
environment.
The very reason I quit using macs. I've always thought that one of the real values of
linux is that it offers alternative{s}.
{Gnome, Afterstep, ID5, KDE, Gnustep, flux/black/openbox, MWM, VWM, CDE, Javadesktop,
NovellDesktop, enlightenment, XFCE, CTWM, SCWM, Sawfish, The wonder that was
"tkgoodstuff", rox, Athene, XPde, antiright, tkdesk, tkworld, Pico, Fresco,
Metisse, JD4X, perlbox, Oroborus, befree, Waimea, http://www.tarantella.com/ibm/ , etc,
etc, etc...}
18 Nov
18 Nov
5:58 p.m.
Dave Phillips writes:
It's good to be reminded that we're not the only ones interested in
Linux audio projects. Yes, I'd like for everyone interested in such
projects to be represented on LA*, but obviously no-one can force them
to be here.
I just want to note that Wired will be of particular interest to those
few of us who require an eyes-free interface. Wired gets by virtue of
using Gnome's GTK+ ATK, though I don't yet know about exceptions and
particular gotchya's that might be lurking there.
I thought this important to note here since I know I'm not the only
blind musician hanging around on this list.
Btw, I'll be updating the Linux soundapps pages
again. Wired isn't the
only interesting new application that's appeared since the last update... ;)
This may be too much to ask--but I'd sure like to know, without digging
into each app, what toolkit the app is built with. Any chance of
including this kind of data? If I were to troll around and build such an
index, would you include the data on the LAD pages?
Best,
dp
--
Janina Sajka, Chair
Accessibility Workgroup
Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina(a)freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
13 Nov
13 Nov
12:58 p.m.
Robert Jonsson wrote:
According to the website, LADSPA will not be supported because of UI issues.
-- Brett
It supports
ALSA and OSS, but no mentin of JACK or LADPSA;
I think JACK was mentioned, support through Portaudio if I'm not mistaken.
LADSPA does not seem like it's added yet. 
6:24 p.m.
Ack its been slashdotted.
the sourceforge page is still up though.
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:02:03 -0500, Them <idragosani(a)chapelperilous.net> wrote:
Robert Jonsson wrote:
According to the website, LADSPA will not be supported because of UI issues.
-- Brett
It
supports ALSA and OSS, but no mentin of JACK or LADPSA;
I think JACK was mentioned, support through Portaudio if I'm not mistaken.
LADSPA does not seem like it's added yet. 
9:21 p.m.
According to the website, LADSPA will not be supported
because of UI
issues.
While we're talking about LADSPA UI stuff, has there been any progress on
this matter? News like this one obviously point to the LADSPA's currently
greatest weakness of not endorsing any of the UI's and/or not having a
standard one to go by. At this point perhaps I should make a quote from the
Half-Life game, "it's time to choose Mr. Freeman..." :-).
Although I am not too familiar with the latest developments in this
department please allow me to share a small thought/question of mine:
Has there been any thought of making a LADSPAUI lib that runs on top of
LADSPA and endorses a particular toolkit (so one could have offsprings like
LADSPAUI-GTK, or LADSPAUI-QT, etc.)?
Any thoughts?
Best wishes,
Ico
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14 Nov
14 Nov
5:55 a.m.
On Sunday 14 Nov 2004 01:21, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
While we're talking about LADSPA UI stuff, has
there been any
progress on this matter?
You can provide UIs for LADSPA plugins using the DSSI UI mechanism,
which is not specific to DSSI plugins.
Any sensibly-designed DSSI and LADSPA host should already be able to
show custom GUIs for LADSPA plugins this way (e.g. Rosegarden can).
http://dssi.sourceforge.net/why-use.html#toc2
I've been considering writing some GUIs for a handful of my favourite
LADSPA plugins and bundling them with DSSI, but I haven't found the
time yet.
Chris
7:12 a.m.
sön 2004-11-14 klockan 02.21 skrev Ivica Ico Bukvic:
MusE also has a framework for creating custom Qt UI:s for LADSPA
plugins. This means you can create a gui in Qt-designer, f.ex. name it
1050.ui (1050 == Freeverb), and put it in MusE's shared plugin
directory, which is checked on startup. If there's no 1050.ui-file there
when you launch the Freeverb plugin, it goes for a standard gui,
otherwise the custom one is initialized.
You simply give all input widgets in the gui, that manipulate a LADSPA
parameter, a name starting with "P", and set the id-property of the
widget to the parameter index of the plugin. The connection is done
automagically and there's no need to recompile the app. In fact, you
don't even need to write any code yourself to create a custom LADSPA
gui.
/Mathias
According to
the website, LADSPA will not be supported because of UI
issues.
While we're talking about LADSPA UI stuff, has there been any progress on
this matter? News like this one obviously point to the LADSPA's currently
greatest weakness of not endorsing any of the UI's and/or not having a
standard one to go by. At this point perhaps I should make a quote from the
Half-Life game, "it's time to choose Mr. Freeman..." :-).
13 Nov
13 Nov
9:58 a.m.
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:17:02 +0000
"Mr. Spock" <spock(a)canopus22.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I just saw this on Slashdot:
Wired: Pro-Level, GPL'd Audio Editing For Linux
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/13/0423234&tid=141&tid=185…
Has anyone ever heard of this?
I don't know if it looks up to Ardour's standard.
It supports ALSA and OSS, but no mentin of JACK or LADPSA;
they mention plugins, but it looks like they have reinvented
the wheel their own way :-/
From their forums:
"We haven't think
about being compatible with LADSPA yet because the
Wired plugin API is dependent on the graphic interface (the rack and
optional view system). However, we mght make a conversion utility or
provide a new Plugin class that would converts the LADSPA calls to
Wired calls transparently. The developer would still need to implement
the gui interface as required."
It looks shiny, though.
I'm surprised that there's an audio app of this complexity that I've
not heard of, but sometimes I don't pay attention. Oh well, I'm far too
invested (and happy with) ardour to make the jump!
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Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa
10:40 a.m.
It supports ALSA and OSS, but no mentin of JACK or
LADPSA;
There's a compilation guide:
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1177828&forum_id=409329
Quote:
"- Latest CVS snapshot of PortAudio v19
* You should be able to download it from:
http://portaudio.com/archives/pa_snapshot_v19.tar.gz
* We recommend to compile with ALSA support (--with-alsa) and
without JACK since jack support hasn't been really tested."
Best regards
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Chris Cannam -
Dave Phillips -
Ivica Ico Bukvic -
Janina Sajka -
Joe Hartley -
Mathias Lundgren -
Matthew Allen -
mchristoph.eckert＠t-online.de -
Mr. Spock -
Robert Jonsson -
RTaylor -
Them -
tim hall