24 Mar
2006
24 Mar
'06
5:09 p.m.
bittorrent has command line clients. The bittorrent package in debian comes with two.
-lee
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From: Ismael Valladolid Torres <ivalladolidt(a)terra.es>
Subj: Re: [linux-audio-user] Sharing samples via P2P
Date: Fri Mar 24, 2006 15:57
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Dana Olson escribe:
I would be willing to work on that website if you all
think it's a good
idea. I could put checkboxes too for file contents, and have icons to
show what each file contains, like check off if it's a MIDI file, WAV
files, DLS, SF2, etc. I think it'd be a really good idea, and I have the
time to do up the site, and I can host it on UbuntuStudio.com (unless
someone more generic, ex: LinuxAudio.org, wants to host it).
It would be sooooo lovely...
As far as networks go, is there a good command-line
client that we could
use that will run in a screen session and not take up a gig of RAM?
Ideally, IMHO, the FrostWire/LimeWire clients are great, but I'd prefer
a screen session to leave it running in the background.
Well, I guess many of us would be using a P2P client apart from that
command-line client nevertheless. And configuring mldonkey for not
eating all your RAM is obvious to me (simply lowering max sources per
file to 200 or even less).
Cordially, Ismael
--
mí, myself et moi http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/
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24 Mar
24 Mar
5:50 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Sharing samples via P2P
On Fri Mar 24, 2006 at 04:09:00PM -0500, lee(a)rockingtiger.com wrote:
bittorrent has command line clients. The bittorrent
package in debian comes with two.
BT is mainly designed for a few large files with brief initial bursts of popularity to
sustain the distribution model..a few gigs of SXSW trailers, pirated movies, DVD ISO's
or what not
for a bunch of more obscure files (drum hits created with Smack, ZynnAddSub patches,
asound.conf's), something like eMule works much better. i think we probably want
something like that, only more minimal, and without all the warez. i think there should be
a requirement for the network, Public Domain, CC, GPL/BSD/MIT licensed content only, or at
least make it glaringly obvious if it isnt.
has anyone investigated coral? it looks like some kind of public free distributed akamai..
W.A.S.T.E. is an egregious waste of bandwidth, and i dont see it in portage anyway. what
about freenet, anyone used that?
i think a web interface would be best for categorization, commenting, forking,
user-submitted revisions etc..then point to the actual content on freenet or coral (unless
that rumour about paul's 1.8 TB of disk space and bandwidth just sitting idle is
true..)
6:34 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Sharing samples via P2P
On Fri, 24 Mar, 2006 at 09:50PM +0000, carmen spake thus:
On Fri Mar 24, 2006 at 04:09:00PM -0500,
lee(a)rockingtiger.com wrote:
The Circle (http://thecircle.org.au/) looks good.
One file to download and go. Also has instant messaging and IRC style
comms.
We could have our own little network pretty quickly, methinks.
Done properly, we could get a lot from something like this.
James
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
bittorrent has command line clients. The
bittorrent package in debian comes with two.
BT is mainly designed for a few large files with brief initial bursts of popularity to
sustain the distribution model..a few gigs of SXSW trailers, pirated movies, DVD ISO's
or what not
for a bunch of more obscure files (drum hits created with Smack, ZynnAddSub patches,
asound.conf's), something like eMule works much better. i think we probably want
something like that, only more minimal, and without all the warez. i think there should be
a requirement for the network, Public Domain, CC, GPL/BSD/MIT licensed content only, or at
least make it glaringly obvious if it isnt.
has anyone investigated coral? it looks like some kind of public free distributed
akamai..
W.A.S.T.E. is an egregious waste of bandwidth, and i dont see it in portage anyway. what
about freenet, anyone used that?
i think a web interface would be best for categorization, commenting, forking,
user-submitted revisions etc..then point to the actual content on freenet or coral (unless
that rumour about paul's 1.8 TB of disk space and bandwidth just sitting idle is
true..) 
6:50 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Sharing samples via P2P
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 22:34 +0000, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar, 2006 at 09:50PM +0000, carmen spake
thus:
There's another option, part of the GNU project: http://gnunet.org/
I don't know about other distros, but it is in debian for sure, adding
to convenience.
I've never heard of Coral or The Circle before. And Freenet.. I looked
at it before, and it seems kinda complex just to share some
music-related files.
I think that whatever we choose, it should be easy for most users to get
it installed. There are a lot of people who just want to use their PC
and the applications there, and don't want to have to download seven
libraries and compile everything from souce. Maybe no one on this list
minds, but we would really limit the possibilites to restrict it to just
us. Just my 2 cents..
If I had the bandwidth and disk space (or money to fund it), I'd prefer
a website for all this stuff, including hosting of the files. It'd be a
lot more convenient - if James is offline, and he is the only one who is
still sharing MetallicDrumBeats.tar.bz2 which I wanna get, then I'm out
of luck. If it's on a website, then yay, I can download it.
Hmm, what about a page at SourceForge? I don't know if they have limits
on something like this, but I remember seeing something on SF that was
not an application, but a website for free stuff. I can't remember
exactly what it was, but it might be possible that they would host it
happily?
Dana
On Fri Mar 24, 2006 at 04:09:00PM -0500,
lee(a)rockingtiger.com wrote:
The Circle (http://thecircle.org.au/) looks good.
One file to download and go. Also has instant messaging and IRC style
comms.
We could have our own little network pretty quickly, methinks.
Done properly, we could get a lot from something like this.
James bittorrent has command line clients. The
bittorrent package in debian comes with two.
BT is mainly designed for a few large files with brief initial bursts of popularity to
sustain the distribution model..a few gigs of SXSW trailers, pirated movies, DVD ISO's
or what not
for a bunch of more obscure files (drum hits created with Smack, ZynnAddSub patches,
asound.conf's), something like eMule works much better. i think we probably want
something like that, only more minimal, and without all the warez. i think there should be
a requirement for the network, Public Domain, CC, GPL/BSD/MIT licensed content only, or at
least make it glaringly obvious if it isnt.
has anyone investigated coral? it looks like some kind of public free distributed
akamai..
W.A.S.T.E. is an egregious waste of bandwidth, and i dont see it in portage anyway. what
about freenet, anyone used that?
i think a web interface would be best for categorization, commenting, forking,
user-submitted revisions etc..then point to the actual content on freenet or coral (unless
that rumour about paul's 1.8 TB of disk space and bandwidth just sitting idle is
true..)
9:12 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Sharing samples via P2P
On Fri, 24 Mar, 2006 at 05:53PM -0500, Dana Olson spake thus:
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 22:34 +0000,
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
Argh! I hate getting stuff off source forge simply because of how
many clicks it takes.
Personally, I was thinking more in terms of samples than complete
pieces and had this idea that we would have a common library, accessed
through p2p. Maybe a bit fanciful.
On Fri, 24 Mar, 2006 at 09:50PM +0000, carmen
spake thus:
There's another option, part of the GNU project: http://gnunet.org/
I don't know about other distros, but it is in debian for sure, adding
to convenience.
I've never heard of Coral or The Circle before. And Freenet.. I looked
at it before, and it seems kinda complex just to share some
music-related files.
I think that whatever we choose, it should be easy for most users to get
it installed. There are a lot of people who just want to use their PC
and the applications there, and don't want to have to download seven
libraries and compile everything from souce. Maybe no one on this list
minds, but we would really limit the possibilites to restrict it to just
us. Just my 2 cents..
If I had the bandwidth and disk space (or money to fund it), I'd prefer
a website for all this stuff, including hosting of the files. It'd be a
lot more convenient - if James is offline, and he is the only one who is
still sharing MetallicDrumBeats.tar.bz2 which I wanna get, then I'm out
of luck. If it's on a website, then yay, I can download it.
Hmm, what about a page at SourceForge? I don't know if they have limits
on something like this, but I remember seeing something on SF that was
not an application, but a website for free stuff. I can't remember
exactly what it was, but it might be possible that they would host it
happily? On Fri Mar 24, 2006 at 04:09:00PM -0500,
lee(a)rockingtiger.com wrote:
The Circle (http://thecircle.org.au/) looks good.
One file to download and go. Also has instant messaging and IRC style
comms.
We could have our own little network pretty quickly, methinks.
Done properly, we could get a lot from something like this.
James bittorrent has command line clients. The
bittorrent package in debian comes with two.
BT is mainly designed for a few large files with brief initial bursts of popularity to
sustain the distribution model..a few gigs of SXSW trailers, pirated movies, DVD ISO's
or what not
for a bunch of more obscure files (drum hits created with Smack, ZynnAddSub patches,
asound.conf's), something like eMule works much better. i think we probably want
something like that, only more minimal, and without all the warez. i think there should be
a requirement for the network, Public Domain, CC, GPL/BSD/MIT licensed content only, or at
least make it glaringly obvious if it isnt.
has anyone investigated coral? it looks like some kind of public free distributed
akamai..
W.A.S.T.E. is an egregious waste of bandwidth, and i dont see it in portage anyway. what
about freenet, anyone used that?
i think a web interface would be best for categorization, commenting, forking,
user-submitted revisions etc..then point to the actual content on freenet or coral (unless
that rumour about paul's 1.8 TB of disk space and bandwidth just sitting idle is
true..) Dana
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
9:20 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Sharing samples via P2P
On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 01:12 +0000, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar, 2006 at 05:53PM -0500, Dana Olson
spake thus:
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about using them for a web host
for a free software project... A big sample/preset library site. Where
you can download stuff through a webpage, not through SF's stupid file
management/CVS crappy stuff. I've seen projects that do just this thing,
without using the file/project management stuff.
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 22:34 +0000,
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
Argh! I hate getting stuff off source forge simply because of how
many clicks it takes. On Fri, 24 Mar, 2006 at 09:50PM +0000, carmen
spake thus:
There's another option, part of the GNU project: http://gnunet.org/
I don't know about other distros, but it is in debian for sure, adding
to convenience.
I've never heard of Coral or The Circle before. And Freenet.. I looked
at it before, and it seems kinda complex just to share some
music-related files.
I think that whatever we choose, it should be easy for most users to get
it installed. There are a lot of people who just want to use their PC
and the applications there, and don't want to have to download seven
libraries and compile everything from souce. Maybe no one on this list
minds, but we would really limit the possibilites to restrict it to just
us. Just my 2 cents..
If I had the bandwidth and disk space (or money to fund it), I'd prefer
a website for all this stuff, including hosting of the files. It'd be a
lot more convenient - if James is offline, and he is the only one who is
still sharing MetallicDrumBeats.tar.bz2 which I wanna get, then I'm out
of luck. If it's on a website, then yay, I can download it.
Hmm, what about a page at SourceForge? I don't know if they have limits
on something like this, but I remember seeing something on SF that was
not an application, but a website for free stuff. I can't remember
exactly what it was, but it might be possible that they would host it
happily? On Fri Mar 24, 2006 at 04:09:00PM -0500,
lee(a)rockingtiger.com wrote:
> bittorrent has command line clients. The bittorrent package in debian comes with
two.
BT is mainly designed for a few large files with brief initial bursts of popularity to
sustain the distribution model..a few gigs of SXSW trailers, pirated movies, DVD ISO's
or what not
for a bunch of more obscure files (drum hits created with Smack, ZynnAddSub patches,
asound.conf's), something like eMule works much better. i think we probably want
something like that, only more minimal, and without all the warez. i think there should be
a requirement for the network, Public Domain, CC, GPL/BSD/MIT licensed content only, or at
least make it glaringly obvious if it isnt.
has anyone investigated coral? it looks like some kind of public free distributed
akamai..
W.A.S.T.E. is an egregious waste of bandwidth, and i dont see it in portage anyway. what
about freenet, anyone used that?
i think a web interface would be best for categorization, commenting, forking,
user-submitted revisions etc..then point to the actual content on freenet or coral (unless
that rumour about paul's 1.8 TB of disk space and bandwidth just sitting idle is
true..)
The Circle (http://thecircle.org.au/) looks good.
One file to download and go. Also has instant messaging and IRC style
comms.
We could have our own little network pretty quickly, methinks.
Done properly, we could get a lot from something like this.
James Personally, I was thinking more in terms of samples
than complete
pieces and had this idea that we would have a common library, accessed
through p2p. Maybe a bit fanciful.
I understand. I just don't really think p2p is the best tool for this
job - aside from the bandwidth issue, an easy-to-use website is much
better suited.
> Dana
11:57 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Sharing samples via P2P
Personally, I
was thinking more in terms of samples than complete
pieces and had this idea that we would have a common library, accessed
through p2p. Maybe a bit fanciful.
I understand. I just don't really think p2p is the best tool for this
job - aside from the bandwidth issue, an easy-to-use website is much
better suited.
25 Mar
25 Mar
5:27 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Sharing samples via P2P
On Sat, 25 Mar, 2006 at 03:57AM +0000, carmen spake thus:
as long as the website also responds to XML requests..so you can wrap its functionality
via libcurl or something and integrated it right into the application. im talking about a
sample searchbox right in hydrogen or something. the kind of things we can only do beacuse
everything is free...
i know freesound is integrated into PD in this manner, via an external. the basic API can
be fairly simple...i might even write something lke this up for my own use soon, and of
course will put up the source..
Yay! Go for it!
If you start, give me a shout and I'll lend a hand.
A useful feature, if we're going to integrate it into apps, would be
previews - on-the-fly low quality ogg encodings of files? It wouldn't
be fun having to wait for something to download only to find it wasn't
what you expected.
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
Personally, I was thinking more in terms of samples
than complete
pieces and had this idea that we would have a common library, accessed
through p2p. Maybe a bit fanciful.
I understand. I just don't really think p2p is the best tool for this
job - aside from the bandwidth issue, an easy-to-use website is much
better suited. 
27 Mar
27 Mar
7:19 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Sharing samples via P2P
carmen escribe:
i know freesound is integrated into PD in this manner,
via an
external. the basic API can be fairly simple...i might even write
something lke this up for my own use soon, and of course will put up
the source..
Indeed freesound is very nice, it supports tags and it's very fast to
browse. The pity is that it only supports wave files, where we'd like
(I guess) to share also software synthesizer programs, soundfonts,
etc.
P2P was ok for me because I thought it wasn't important having to wait
a week to get something interesting. Obviously if you all prefer the
want-it-now approach a web site is fundamental, but then you have to
pay for the hosting and the bandwidth...
For me labelling the files as [LAU] and putting them in my shared
folder is enough. Later if a web site wants to monitor [LAU] labbeled
files and put ed2k links on a web page then great!
Cordially, Ismael
--
m�, myself et moi http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/
25 Mar
25 Mar
5:24 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Sharing samples via P2P
On Fri, 24 Mar, 2006 at 08:23PM -0500, Dana Olson spake thus:
<snip - in the interests of bandwidth>
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about using them for a web host
for a free software project... A big sample/preset library site. Where
you can download stuff through a webpage, not through SF's stupid file
management/CVS crappy stuff. I've seen projects that do just this thing,
without using the file/project management stuff.
Ahhhh. That's different!
Then what we probably want is something like freesound. I thought
that it would be great, but most of it just turned out to be people
making silly noises and then uploading hundreds of copies of it
through different filters.
If we could do something similar, with some kind of quality control,
it might be better.
And I don't mean complicated quality control. Maybe something like
having to submit a track you've made before you get an account and
then you're free to upload.
I quite liked the P2P thing, especially since Circle has a web front
end, too. It would solve Folderol's storage problem at the same time.
James
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
Hmm, what about a page at SourceForge? I don't know if they have limits
on something like this, but I remember seeing something on SF that was
not an application, but a website for free stuff. I can't remember
exactly what it was, but it might be possible that they would host it
happily?
Argh! I hate getting stuff off source forge simply because of how
many clicks it takes. Personally, I
was thinking more in terms of samples than complete
pieces and had this idea that we would have a common library, accessed
through p2p. Maybe a bit fanciful.
I understand. I just don't really think p2p is the best tool for this
job - aside from the bandwidth issue, an easy-to-use website is much
better suited. > Dana
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