29 May
2008
29 May
'08
6:49 p.m.
Hi,
I've bought a m-audio audiophile 24/96 and a mic shure sm 58 beta
(thanks for your advices ;) ).
I also have a epiphone les paul elekt. guitar with a orange crush 30 r
amplifier.
Now I want to be able to record voice and guitar, so I need a preamp...
(or a mixer, if that's better)
My budget is around 100 euro, but don't be to strict on that, maybe I'll
can get some things second hand...
I was thinking about these things, but Giuseppe, was telling that the
art tubes are not a really good choice:
- http://www.thomann.de/nl/art_tube_mp_project_series.htm
What about the alternative in this area?
- audio buddy: http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_audio_buddy.htm
- Studio Projects VTB1 : http://www.thomann.de/nl/studio_projects_vtb1.htm
What are good preamps? Are there good preamps in the range of 100 - 250
euro? (Maybe I'll can get some second hand).
Thanks in advance,
Dirk
30 May
30 May
8:41 a.m.
New subject: Preamp for mic/ guitar (was: hardware: recording voice and acc. guitar)
Thursday, 29 May 2008 alle 22:50:09, schoappied ha scritto:
Hi,
I've bought a m-audio audiophile 24/96 and a mic shure sm 58 beta
(thanks for your advices ;) ).
They're "industry standards" :)
I also have a epiphone les paul elekt. guitar with a
orange crush 30 r
amplifier.
Now I want to be able to record voice and guitar, so I need a preamp...
(or a mixer, if that's better)
A mixer would do better only if it's a big and old one: I grabbed
recently a soundtracs rx-8 for 400 eur and it is fantastic sounding and
very flexible (even if a bit heavy). Brands to search for are all
british (in my opinion): sountracs, allen & heath, souncraft,
studiomaster, trident. At the top of the food chain there are studers,
but I fear that will cost at least around 1500 eur.
I have also a rack mountable soundcraft folio but its preamps, althoug
better than the ones of ART or behringer, are not up to the ones on the
24 channel soundtracs console.
A 24 channel console can be overkill for your puroposes, but can be the
best thing to search for in the used market. Buy locally if you can, as
you'd better try all channels and functions (and noises) before buiyng.
My budget is around 100 euro, but don't be to
strict on that, maybe I'll
can get some things second hand...
I was thinking about these things, but Giuseppe, was telling that the
art tubes are not a really good choice:
- http://www.thomann.de/nl/art_tube_mp_project_series.htm
I had one of those, and sell it immediatly. Not very good, in my opinion
too
What about the alternative in this area?
- audio buddy: http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_audio_buddy.htm
I don't know it
- Studio Projects VTB1 :
http://www.thomann.de/nl/studio_projects_vtb1.htm
I have two of these and they're fine for the price. I never use the
"valve" feature, though.. maybe those are among the best in this price
range.
What are good preamps? Are there good preamps in the
range of 100 - 250
euro? (Maybe I'll can get some second hand).
I also have a dbx 285a (around 280 eur) which is a channel strip with
some useful features like a compressor, an expander and deesser. Nice. I
often use this one for single mic recordings.
Then on the "little more expensive side", I have a Groove tubes "the
brick" (around 400 eur) which is a true tube preamp, great as bass DI
but doesn't have lots of gain. Then, and this is my best and most used
one, there is the FMR really nice preamp (2 channels for ~ 500 eur).
If you can afford it is a really good sounding preamp, and one of the
most recognized even by pro users (even if "entry level", by their
standards)
Thanks in advance,
Dirk
HTH
ciao
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9:09 a.m.
New subject: Preamp for mic/ guitar (was: hardware: recording voice and acc. guitar)
Friday, 30 May 2008 alle 12:41:02, Emiliano Grilli ha scritto:
I also have a dbx 285a (around 280 eur) which is a
channel strip with
some useful features like a compressor, an expander and deesser. Nice. I
often use this one for single mic recordings.
Sorry, it's the 286a and now it's cheaper (229 eur from thomann)
Cheers
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Linux user #209089
http://www.emillo.net
9:14 a.m.
New subject: Preamp for mic/ guitar
Emiliano Grilli wrote:
Thursday, 29 May 2008 alle 22:50:09, schoappied ha
scritto:
Thanks. And what do you think about the presonus firebox? I can get it
for 175 euro..
Hi,
I've bought a m-audio audiophile 24/96 and a mic shure sm 58 beta
(thanks for your advices ;) ).
They're "industry standards" :)
I also have a epiphone les paul elekt. guitar
with a orange crush 30 r
amplifier.
Now I want to be able to record voice and guitar, so I need a preamp...
(or a mixer, if that's better)
A mixer would do better only if it's a big and old one: I grabbed
recently a soundtracs rx-8 for 400 eur and it is fantastic sounding and
very flexible (even if a bit heavy). Brands to search for are all
british (in my opinion): sountracs, allen & heath, souncraft,
studiomaster, trident. At the top of the food chain there are studers,
but I fear that will cost at least around 1500 eur.
I have also a rack mountable soundcraft folio but its preamps, althoug
better than the ones of ART or behringer, are not up to the ones on the
24 channel soundtracs console.
A 24 channel console can be overkill for your puroposes, but can be the
best thing to search for in the used market. Buy locally if you can, as
you'd better try all channels and functions (and noises) before buiyng.
My budget is around 100 euro, but don't be to
strict on that, maybe I'll
can get some things second hand...
I was thinking about these things, but Giuseppe, was telling that the
art tubes are not a really good choice:
- http://www.thomann.de/nl/art_tube_mp_project_series.htm
I had one of those, and sell it immediatly. Not very good, in my opinion
too
What about the alternative in this area?
- audio buddy: http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_audio_buddy.htm
I don't know it
- Studio Projects VTB1 :
http://www.thomann.de/nl/studio_projects_vtb1.htm
I have two of these and they're fine for the price. I never use the
"valve" feature, though.. maybe those are among the best in this price
range.
What are good preamps? Are there good preamps in
the range of 100 - 250
euro? (Maybe I'll can get some second hand).
I also have a dbx 285a (around 280 eur) which is a channel strip with
some useful features like a compressor, an expander and deesser. Nice. I
often use this one for single mic recordings.
Then on the "little more expensive side", I have a Groove tubes "the
brick" (around 400 eur) which is a true tube preamp, great as bass DI
but doesn't have lots of gain. Then, and this is my best and most used
one, there is the FMR really nice preamp (2 channels for ~ 500 eur).
If you can afford it is a really good sounding preamp, and one of the
most recognized even by pro users (even if "entry level", by their
standards)
9:27 a.m.
New subject: Preamp for mic/ guitar
Friday, 30 May 2008 alle 13:15:21, schoappied ha scritto:
Emiliano Grilli wrote:
I never used one. But if I understand correctly it's an all-in-one
preamp/soundcard, and you already have the soundcard...
I suggest you search on groups.google.com on the rec.audio.pro newsgroup
to search information about a specific device. Also the tapeop
messageboard or gearslutz.com are good places to see people's opinions:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.pro/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.home-studio/topics
http://messageboard.tapeop.com/
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/
(I love newsgroups but I HATE forums :)
Cheers
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Linux user #209089
http://www.emillo.net
Thursday, 29 May 2008 alle 22:50:09, schoappied
ha scritto:
Thanks. And what do you think about the presonus firebox? I can get it
for 175 euro.. Hi,
I've bought a m-audio audiophile 24/96 and a mic shure sm 58 beta
(thanks for your advices ;) ).
They're "industry standards" :)
I also have a epiphone les paul elekt. guitar
with a orange crush 30 r
amplifier.
Now I want to be able to record voice and guitar, so I need a preamp...
(or a mixer, if that's better)
A mixer would do better only if it's a big and old one: I grabbed
recently a soundtracs rx-8 for 400 eur and it is fantastic sounding and
very flexible (even if a bit heavy). Brands to search for are all
british (in my opinion): sountracs, allen & heath, souncraft,
studiomaster, trident. At the top of the food chain there are studers,
but I fear that will cost at least around 1500 eur.
I have also a rack mountable soundcraft folio but its preamps, althoug
better than the ones of ART or behringer, are not up to the ones on the
24 channel soundtracs console.
A 24 channel console can be overkill for your puroposes, but can be the
best thing to search for in the used market. Buy locally if you can, as
you'd better try all channels and functions (and noises) before buiyng.
My budget is around 100 euro, but don't be to
strict on that, maybe I'll
can get some things second hand...
I was thinking about these things, but Giuseppe, was telling that the
art tubes are not a really good choice:
- http://www.thomann.de/nl/art_tube_mp_project_series.htm
I had one of those, and sell it immediatly. Not very good, in my opinion
too
What about the alternative in this area?
- audio buddy: http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_audio_buddy.htm
I don't know it
- Studio Projects VTB1 :
http://www.thomann.de/nl/studio_projects_vtb1.htm
I have two of these and they're fine for the price. I never use the
"valve" feature, though.. maybe those are among the best in this price
range.
What are good preamps? Are there good preamps in
the range of 100 - 250
euro? (Maybe I'll can get some second hand).
I also have a dbx 285a (around 280 eur) which is a channel strip with
some useful features like a compressor, an expander and deesser. Nice. I
often use this one for single mic recordings.
Then on the "little more expensive side", I have a Groove tubes "the
brick" (around 400 eur) which is a true tube preamp, great as bass DI
but doesn't have lots of gain. Then, and this is my best and most used
one, there is the FMR really nice preamp (2 channels for ~ 500 eur).
If you can afford it is a really good sounding preamp, and one of the
most recognized even by pro users (even if "entry level", by their
standards)
9:40 a.m.
New subject: Preamp for mic/ guitar
Emiliano Grilli wrote:
Friday, 30 May 2008 alle 13:15:21, schoappied ha
scritto:
And what about the Studio Projects VTB1, is it also good for electr. guitar?
Dirk
Emiliano Grilli wrote:
I never used one. But if I understand correctly it's an all-in-one
preamp/soundcard, and you already have the soundcard...
I suggest you search on groups.google.com on the rec.audio.pro newsgroup
to search information about a specific device. Also the tapeop
messageboard or gearslutz.com are good places to see people's opinions:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.pro/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.home-studio/topics
http://messageboard.tapeop.com/
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/
(I love newsgroups but I HATE forums :)
Cheers
Thursday, 29 May 2008 alle 22:50:09, schoappied
ha scritto:
Thanks. And what do you think about the presonus firebox? I can get it
for 175 euro..
Hi,
I've bought a m-audio audiophile 24/96 and a mic shure sm 58 beta
(thanks for your advices ;) ).
They're "industry standards" :)
I also have a epiphone les paul elekt. guitar
with a orange crush 30 r
amplifier.
Now I want to be able to record voice and guitar, so I need a preamp...
(or a mixer, if that's better)
A mixer would do better only if it's a big and old one: I grabbed
recently a soundtracs rx-8 for 400 eur and it is fantastic sounding and
very flexible (even if a bit heavy). Brands to search for are all
british (in my opinion): sountracs, allen & heath, souncraft,
studiomaster, trident. At the top of the food chain there are studers,
but I fear that will cost at least around 1500 eur.
I have also a rack mountable soundcraft folio but its preamps, althoug
better than the ones of ART or behringer, are not up to the ones on the
24 channel soundtracs console.
A 24 channel console can be overkill for your puroposes, but can be the
best thing to search for in the used market. Buy locally if you can, as
you'd better try all channels and functions (and noises) before buiyng.
My budget is around 100 euro, but don't be to
strict on that, maybe I'll
can get some things second hand...
I was thinking about these things, but Giuseppe, was telling that the
art tubes are not a really good choice:
- http://www.thomann.de/nl/art_tube_mp_project_series.htm
I had one of those, and sell it immediatly. Not very good, in my opinion
too
What about the alternative in this area?
- audio buddy: http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_audio_buddy.htm
I don't know it
- Studio Projects VTB1 :
http://www.thomann.de/nl/studio_projects_vtb1.htm
I have two of these and they're fine for the price. I never use the
"valve" feature, though.. maybe those are among the best in this price
range.
What are good preamps? Are there good preamps in
the range of 100 - 250
euro? (Maybe I'll can get some second hand).
I also have a dbx 285a (around 280 eur) which is a channel strip with
some useful features like a compressor, an expander and deesser. Nice. I
often use this one for single mic recordings.
Then on the "little more expensive side", I have a Groove tubes "the
brick" (around 400 eur) which is a true tube preamp, great as bass DI
but doesn't have lots of gain. Then, and this is my best and most used
one, there is the FMR really nice preamp (2 channels for ~ 500 eur).
If you can afford it is a really good sounding preamp, and one of the
most recognized even by pro users (even if "entry level", by their
standards)
10:14 a.m.
New subject: Preamp for mic/ guitar
Friday, 30 May 2008 alle 13:40:36, schoappied ha scritto:
And what about the Studio Projects VTB1, is it also
good for electr.
guitar?
Yes, it has an Hi-z input on the front.
Of course, it's not like using an amplifier... but better than plugging
the guitar into a "line" input.
Dirk
Cheers
--
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Linux user #209089
http://www.emillo.net
9:59 a.m.
schoappied wrote:
My budget is around 100 euro, but don't be to
strict on that, maybe I'll
can get some things second hand...
...
What about the alternative in this area?
- audio buddy: http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_audio_buddy.htm
I own one of these. I bought it on recommendation from this list, and
I'm very happy with it. I use it for vocals (SM58 mic), electric guitar,
electric bass, and electroacoustic guitar. It's inexpensive and works
perfectly.
I also have an Omni breakout box (with built-in preamps) for my other
Delta 66, but I haven't used it for any serious recording yet, so I
can't comment on its sound. Nice useful box though. :)
Best,
dp
2:34 p.m.
New subject: Preamp for mic/ guitar (was: hardware: recording voice and acc. guitar)
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
schoappied wrote:
Seconded.
Judge for yourself: http://www.thelisteningsessions.com/session3.htm
Track 20 uses the DI input with a bass. You can compare it against
much more expensive DI options. Unfortunately, there are no examples
of the Audio Buddy with a mic on that site.
My budget is around 100 euro, but don't be to
strict on that, maybe I'll
can get some things second hand...
...
What about the alternative in this area?
- audio buddy: http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_audio_buddy.htm
I own one of these. I bought it on recommendation from this list, and
I'm very happy with it. I use it for vocals (SM58 mic), electric guitar,
electric bass, and electroacoustic guitar. It's inexpensive and works
perfectly.
I also have an Omni breakout box (with built-in preamps) for my other
Delta 66, but I haven't used it for any serious recording yet, so I
can't comment on its sound. Nice useful box though. :)
Best,
dp
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2:41 p.m.
New subject: Preamp for mic/ guitar (was: hardware: recording voice and acc. guitar)
Paul Coccoli wrote:
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Dave Phillips
<dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
Thanks. It seems that there are a lot different opinions about this
one.... maybe not strange in such a price class...
I'm gonna check the soundsamples..
I also read some positive things about the m-audio dmp3
http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_dmp_3.htm
schoappied wrote:
Seconded.
Judge for yourself: http://www.thelisteningsessions.com/session3.htm
Track 20 uses the DI input with a bass. You can compare it against
much more expensive DI options. Unfortunately, there are no examples
of the Audio Buddy with a mic on that site.
_______________________________________________
My budget is around 100 euro, but don't be to
strict on that, maybe I'll
can get some things second hand...
...
What about the alternative in this area?
- audio buddy: http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_audio_buddy.htm
I own one of these. I bought it on recommendation from this list, and
I'm very happy with it. I use it for vocals (SM58 mic), electric guitar,
electric bass, and electroacoustic guitar. It's inexpensive and works
perfectly.
I also have an Omni breakout box (with built-in preamps) for my other
Delta 66, but I haven't used it for any serious recording yet, so I
can't comment on its sound. Nice useful box though. :)
Best,
dp
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5:17 p.m.
New subject: Preamp for mic/ guitar (was: hardware: recording voice and acc. guitar)
schoappied wrote:
Paul Coccoli wrote:
I think it will go between the:
- m-audio buddy
http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_audio_buddy.htm
- m-audio dmp 3 http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_dmp_3.htm
- studio projects vtb1
http://www.thomann.de/nl/studio_projects_vtb1.htm
I think the m-audio dmp3 will serve my wants best, as far as I can judge
it. I think the studio projects is great too but I doubt if it's also
good for my electr. guitar. It's good for voice, I don't doubt about
that, but the dmp is better to serve both aims, mic and guitar...
A great advantage of the buddy is the price, but one comment on the
Harmony Central User Reviews makes me doubt about it:
'Sound Quality : 1
READ TILL THE WARNING AT
With self powered mics, it is a clean sound. Here, you get your 90
dollars worth.
I used it to go into a computer sound card. perfect for this.
self noise remains a non-issue till the dials are at about 3'o clock.
THE PROBLEM:
Phantom power. The unit has phantom power. You think 48V?
NOPE. It's 41 volts with one microphone, and DROPS to 31 volts with two
mics. This means that if you have a high end microphone, where proper
phantom power is critical, you can't use this mic. It will make all
kinds of crazy noise, etc.
Sorry - because of the phantom power issue, the Audio Buddy gets
reduced to TOY status.'
I've a shure 58 beta, so I don't know if I have to use phantom power...
but it would be good to have the option I think...
Regards,
Dirk
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Dave Phillips
<dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
Thanks. It seems that there are a lot different opinions about this
one.... maybe not strange in such a price class...
I'm gonna check the soundsamples..
I also read some positive things about the m-audio dmp3
http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_dmp_3.htm
_______________________________________________
schoappied wrote:
Seconded.
Judge for yourself: http://www.thelisteningsessions.com/session3.htm
Track 20 uses the DI input with a bass. You can compare it against
much more expensive DI options. Unfortunately, there are no examples
of the Audio Buddy with a mic on that site.
_______________________________________________
My budget is around 100 euro, but don't be to
strict on that, maybe I'll
can get some things second hand...
...
What about the alternative in this area?
- audio buddy: http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_audio_buddy.htm
I own one of these. I bought it on recommendation from this list, and
I'm very happy with it. I use it for vocals (SM58 mic), electric guitar,
electric bass, and electroacoustic guitar. It's inexpensive and works
perfectly.
I also have an Omni breakout box (with built-in preamps) for my other
Delta 66, but I haven't used it for any serious recording yet, so I
can't comment on its sound. Nice useful box though. :)
Best,
dp
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5:24 p.m.
New subject: Preamp for mic/ guitar (was: hardware: recording voice and acc. guitar)
Am Freitag, 30. Mai 2008 schrieb schoappied:
THE PROBLEM:
Phantom power. The unit has phantom power. You think 48V?
NOPE. It's 41 volts with one microphone, and DROPS to 31 volts with two
mics. This means that if you have a high end microphone, where proper
phantom power is critical, you can't use this mic. It will make all
kinds of crazy noise, etc.
I don't really think this is a problem. Afaik the phantom-power-spec is to
provide something between 9 and 52 volts. 48V is only a common usage.
Unless I am prooven wrong...
I've a shure 58 beta, so I don't know if I
have to use phantom power...
but it would be good to have the option I think...
The beta is a dynamic mic. It doesn't need phantom power.
Arnold
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6:40 p.m.
New subject: Preamp for mic/ guitar (was: hardware: recording voice and acc. guitar)
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 09:24:32PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
I don't really think this is a problem. Afaik the
phantom-power-spec is to
provide something between 9 and 52 volts. 48V is only a common usage.
Unless I am prooven wrong...
Many mics expect around 48V in series with two resistors
somewhere between 5 and 10k (or half this value if the
voltage is delivered to the center tap of an input
transformer).
The (AFAIK) unofficial spec is 45-50 volts unloaded, and
being able to deliver at least 5 mA (some would say 10 mA)
which roughly corresponds to the resister values given above.
It is absolutely NOT normal that the voltage delivered to
one mic depends on the presence of others. It must not
drop even if all other lines are shorted to ground.
Ciao,
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5:56 p.m.
New subject: Preamp for mic/ guitar (was: hardware: recording voice and acc. guitar)
On Fri, 30 May 2008 21:17:58 +0200, "schoappied" <schoappied(a)gmail.com>
said:
I think the m-audio dmp3 will serve my wants best, as
far as I can judge
it. I think the studio projects is great too but I doubt if it's also
good for my electr. guitar. It's good for voice, I don't doubt about
that, but the dmp is better to serve both aims, mic and guitar...
One cool thing about the DMP3 is that it offers the full (66 db, I
believe) gain on the high impedance inputs, which was the main reason I
bought one. I'm a mad scientist at heart, and plug all kinds of
low-output stuff (piezo ribbons, tape heads, whatever transducers I can
find to play with) into those things, and none of the other preamps I
was looking at had this feature. The thing turned out to be pretty
decent all around, though, even does a good job on the output of a cheap
ribbon microphone. The lo-cut filters sound weird to me (like some kind
of phase thing going on) but other than that, it's great.
(Oh, and if, like me, you don't like the glaringly bright UV meter
illumination, a 100-ohm resistor between the bulb and power lead will
reduce it to a nice warm glow, if you're into voiding warranties ;)
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