9 Oct
2009
9 Oct
'09
2:38 p.m.
Sadly though, the linux community still has many people who scream RTFM
when people ask for help.
I find this has become rampant in the Linux community - whereas back in
2006 when I started tinkering with Ubuntu on a PPC this was not the case...
there has been a huge influx of people who like brow beating someone
else in order to feel smarter e.g. better or superior to others...this
is weenie behavior
and it's a shame that this sort of attitude exists, especially in the
music/audio FOSS community where educating others is imperative to
keeping our community growing and being innovative
I made a simple inquiry in the #ardour channel a few
months ago, and one
user who shall remain nameless felt it necessary to open up a private
chat window to be a miserable SOB and belittle me (and someone else that
I know) about our lack of knowledge in this one area. Not cool.
personally,
I've not found this attitude on the Ardour forum or on the
email list but have not used the IRC channel so I can't comment on this
as for building my own kernel: I'm a composer, touring musician and
writer who doesn't have the time to start chasing down deps and
trouble-shooting compile errors -- as much as I wish this were all a
hobby I could poke at on the weekends I'm on constant deadlines and
schedules that keep me busy at least 10 hours a day, 7 days a week.
And since royalties are a thing of the past for most electronic
musicians, wearing many hats is the only way one can make a living at
this - and wearing many hats translates to a 70 hour workweek.
So building my own kernel, app, plugins, whatever is a afternoon project
I can't afford to spend time on without shooting myself in the foot. And
is why some of us don't 'roll our own' and depend upon either those who
do or use the repositories. Hence, bleeding edge instability and
beta-testing updates/patches/new versions are not things professional
musicians can afford to deal with.
But I do appreciate the people who create places like GetDeb
http://www.getdeb.net/
where those of us without the bandwidth can download binaries of the
apps we need, install them and get up working as quickly as possible. I
also appreciate developers who can interface with distro repositories
well enough to keep updates of their software available.
I also find the range of musicians on this list refreshing and
enlightening -- some of you have spent time teaching me about the
intricacies Linux audio and for this I'm eternally grateful. The
willingness to teach others is what makes a community valuable IMO.
just my 0.02
ciao!
KIM
9 Oct
9 Oct
3:11 p.m.
New subject: Live CDs
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 09:38 -0700, Kim Cascone wrote:
Well, my experience on the #ardour channel has been fantastic, save
for this one experience. I come from an analog world and decided to
start experimenting with Ardour. A friend posted a project he had
recorded using Ardour and asked me if I would mix it. I agreed, and
every once in a while as I was mixing, I had a question about Ardour
(where they hid certain features, etc...) and everyone was very helpful.
Particularly Seablade and las.
I find this has become rampant in the Linux community
- whereas back in
2006 when I started tinkering with Ubuntu on a PPC this was not the case...
there has been a huge influx of people who like brow beating someone
else in order to feel smarter e.g. better or superior to others...this
is weenie behavior
and it's a shame that this sort of attitude exists, especially in the
music/audio FOSS community where educating others is imperative to
keeping our community growing and being innovative
It's not good in ANY community. I believe in civility, community, and
discourse. I will say that overall, my linux experience has been very
good, but if we want amazing packages like Ardour to take off, we
definitely need civility. :-)
I made a
simple inquiry in the #ardour channel a few months ago, and one
user who shall remain nameless felt it necessary to open up a private
chat window to be a miserable SOB and belittle me (and someone else that
I know) about our lack of knowledge in this one area. Not cool.
personally, I've not found this attitude on the Ardour forum or on the
email list but have not used the IRC channel so I can't comment on this as for building my own kernel: I'm a composer,
touring musician and
writer who doesn't have the time to start chasing down deps and
trouble-shooting compile erro
rs -- as much as I wish this were all a
hobby I could poke at on the weekends I'm on constant deadlines and
schedules that keep me busy at least 10 hours a day, 7 days a week.
And since royalties are a thing of the past for most electronic
musicians, wearing many hats is the only way one can make a living at
this - and wearing many hats translates to a 70 hour workweek.
So building my own kernel, app, plugins, whatever is a afternoon project
I can't afford to spend time on without shooting myself in the foot. And
is why some of us don't 'roll our own' and depend upon either those who
do or use the repositories. Hence, bleeding edge instability and
beta-testing updates/patches/new versions are not things professional
musicians can afford to deal with.
Well, if we want Ardour to become more ubiquitous, then access to it,
and its proper functioning should become easier. :-)
I also find the range of musicians on this list
refreshing and
enlightening -- some of you have spent time teaching me about the
intricacies Linux audio and for this I'm eternally grateful. The
willingness to teach others is what makes a community valuable IMO.
Agreed.
Ricardus...
5:22 p.m.
New subject: Live CDs
Kim Cascone wrote:
Part of the geek culture is that it's good to learn new things, good to
do things yourself, and everyone should be learning new things ...
Sadly though,
the linux community still has many people who scream RTFM
when people ask for help.
I find this has become rampant in the Linux community - whereas back in
2006 when I started tinkering with Ubuntu on a PPC this was not the case...
there has been a huge influx of people who like brow beating someone
else in order to feel smarter e.g. better or superior to others...this
is weenie behavior and it's a shame that this sort of attitude
exists, especially in the
music/audio FOSS community where educating others is imperative to
keeping our community growing and being innovative
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
5:34 p.m.
New subject: Live CDs
2009/10/10 david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com>
Kim Cascone wrote:
case...
And it will always remain to be so, until at least the Linux kernel is
forked into a Linux-kernel-for-desktop where a MySQL regression is at the
bottom of the TODO =p
Anyway topic-diversion should stop here.
I've just installed Fedora to a 32GB UFD, and I'm looking to integrate CCRMA
with it. The
liveusb-creator is the most intuitive of the lot, and the final output is
neatly arranged into 4 folders. Persistence is seamless; I don't have to
answer questions to save anything. It just works. Ubuntu on the other hand
dumps a crapload of files to the UFD.
Sadly
though, the linux community still has many people who scream RTFM
when people ask for help.
I find this has become rampant in the Linux community - whereas back in
2006 when I started tinkering with Ubuntu on a PPC this was not the there has been a huge influx of people who like
brow beating someone
else in order to feel smarter e.g. better or superior to others...this
is weenie behavior
Part of the geek culture is that it's good to learn new things, good to
do things yourself, and everyone should be learning new things ...
and it's a shame that this sort of attitude
exists, especially in the
music/audio FOSS community where educating others is imperative to
keeping our community growing and being innovative
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
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