4 Feb
2013
4 Feb
'13
5:09 p.m.
Hello all,
My composition workflow is based on loops - starting by creating rythms in
Hydrogen and recording a few drum loops in Ardour, creating a bass line
with amSynth or ZynAddSubFX and recording a few bass loops in Ardour,
recording some guitars in Ardour and creating some samples from that...
The difficulty I'm having in Linux is to create composition from those
loops.
In Ardour is is time consuming to reorganise the loops to test new
order/composition (because Ardour is not meant for that).
My idea of a workflow would be to have a tool to try out the different
loops in different order and "jam" with them to see what works and what
doesn't.
Then once that would be done - I would re-record everything properly in
Ardour (drums with multiple tracks, breaks, etc... a more natural way of
playing, guitar played and not looped, etc)
I have done some research and found "only" 6 tools:
- LMMS - it is mentionned several times that it is designed around loop
composition, but I'm not sure about being able to jam with them. (but at
least being able to compose and move the loops around would be handy)
- Luppp, SooperLooper and FreeWheeling - they more look like software
version of JamMan to me and meant to be played "live"...
- Giada - that's the last one I found, but the website describes a tool
more for DJing and looping complete songs instead of actual instrument
loops...
- Bitwig - I guess Bitwig will be THE killer tool to work with loops from
what I could tell from the website.....but we are still talking a few
months before general availability...
I admit, I didn't really try these tools - I was hoping if anybody in the
community had a similar workflow and could advise in anyway :)
Thanks in advance
Aurélien
4 Feb
4 Feb
5:11 p.m.
Are you talking ardour2 or ardour3? Because I do atleast very similar stuff
in my production, and I'm pretty satisfied with ardour3 for that. It's not
optimal, but it certainly works for me =)
Regards,
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Aurélien Leblond <blablack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
My composition workflow is based on loops - starting by creating rythms in
Hydrogen and recording a few drum loops in Ardour, creating a bass line
with amSynth or ZynAddSubFX and recording a few bass loops in Ardour,
recording some guitars in Ardour and creating some samples from that...
The difficulty I'm having in Linux is to create composition from those
loops.
In Ardour is is time consuming to reorganise the loops to test new
order/composition (because Ardour is not meant for that).
My idea of a workflow would be to have a tool to try out the different
loops in different order and "jam" with them to see what works and what
doesn't.
Then once that would be done - I would re-record everything properly in
Ardour (drums with multiple tracks, breaks, etc... a more natural way of
playing, guitar played and not looped, etc)
I have done some research and found "only" 6 tools:
- LMMS - it is mentionned several times that it is designed around loop
composition, but I'm not sure about being able to jam with them. (but at
least being able to compose and move the loops around would be handy)
- Luppp, SooperLooper and FreeWheeling - they more look like software
version of JamMan to me and meant to be played "live"...
- Giada - that's the last one I found, but the website describes a tool
more for DJing and looping complete songs instead of actual instrument
loops...
- Bitwig - I guess Bitwig will be THE killer tool to work with loops from
what I could tell from the website.....but we are still talking a few
months before general availability...
I admit, I didn't really try these tools - I was hoping if anybody in the
community had a similar workflow and could advise in anyway :)
Thanks in advance
Aurélien
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5:15 p.m.
Are you talking ardour2 or ardour3? Because I do
atleast very similar
stuff in my production, and I'm pretty satisfied with ardour3 for that.
It's not optimal, but it certainly works for me =)
I'm using Ardour 3.
I might be using it wrong then - I have a lot of difficulties handling the
"clips"
If i record 10 min of guitar around and cut it in several smaller clips,
the editor list still store the full recording, not the clips...
Do you have any advice here?
Regards,
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Aurélien Leblond <blablack(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hello all,
My composition workflow is based on loops - starting by creating rythms
in Hydrogen and recording a few drum loops in Ardour, creating a bass line
with amSynth or ZynAddSubFX and recording a few bass loops in Ardour,
recording some guitars in Ardour and creating some samples from that...
The difficulty I'm having in Linux is to create composition from those
loops.
In Ardour is is time consuming to reorganise the loops to test new
order/composition (because Ardour is not meant for that).
My idea of a workflow would be to have a tool to try out the different
loops in different order and "jam" with them to see what works and what
doesn't.
Then once that would be done - I would re-record everything properly in
Ardour (drums with multiple tracks, breaks, etc... a more natural way of
playing, guitar played and not looped, etc)
I have done some research and found "only" 6 tools:
- LMMS - it is mentionned several times that it is designed around loop
composition, but I'm not sure about being able to jam with them. (but at
least being able to compose and move the loops around would be handy)
- Luppp, SooperLooper and FreeWheeling - they more look like software
version of JamMan to me and meant to be played "live"...
- Giada - that's the last one I found, but the website describes a tool
more for DJing and looping complete songs instead of actual instrument
loops...
- Bitwig - I guess Bitwig will be THE killer tool to work with loops from
what I could tell from the website.....but we are still talking a few
months before general availability...
I admit, I didn't really try these tools - I was hoping if anybody in the
community had a similar workflow and could advise in anyway :)
Thanks in advance
Aurélien
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5:17 p.m.
Ahh, I see! You can combine regions for that. Select all the regions for
for example 8 bars, and then do right click->edit->combine or something
like that, and it gives you a full combined region for 8 bars. Really handy
when cutting up, doing stutter effects (which I do alot) etc.
Regards,
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Aurélien Leblond <blablack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Are you talking ardour2 or ardour3? Because I do atleast very similar
stuff in my production, and I'm pretty
satisfied with ardour3 for that.
It's not optimal, but it certainly works for me =)
I'm using Ardour 3.
I might be using it wrong then - I have a lot of difficulties handling the
"clips"
If i record 10 min of guitar around and cut it in several smaller clips,
the editor list still store the full recording, not the clips...
Do you have any advice here?
Regards,
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Aurélien Leblond <blablack(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hello all,
My composition workflow is based on loops - starting by creating rythms
in Hydrogen and recording a few drum loops in Ardour, creating a bass line
with amSynth or ZynAddSubFX and recording a few bass loops in Ardour,
recording some guitars in Ardour and creating some samples from that...
The difficulty I'm having in Linux is to create composition from those
loops.
In Ardour is is time consuming to reorganise the loops to test new
order/composition (because Ardour is not meant for that).
My idea of a workflow would be to have a tool to try out the different
loops in different order and "jam" with them to see what works and what
doesn't.
Then once that would be done - I would re-record everything properly in
Ardour (drums with multiple tracks, breaks, etc... a more natural way of
playing, guitar played and not looped, etc)
I have done some research and found "only" 6 tools:
- LMMS - it is mentionned several times that it is designed around loop
composition, but I'm not sure about being able to jam with them. (but at
least being able to compose and move the loops around would be handy)
- Luppp, SooperLooper and FreeWheeling - they more look like software
version of JamMan to me and meant to be played "live"...
- Giada - that's the last one I found, but the website describes a tool
more for DJing and looping complete songs instead of actual instrument
loops...
- Bitwig - I guess Bitwig will be THE killer tool to work with loops
from what I could tell from the website.....but we are still talking a few
months before general availability...
I admit, I didn't really try these tools - I was hoping if anybody in
the community had a similar workflow and could advise in anyway :)
Thanks in advance
Aurélien
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5:25 p.m.
On 02/04/2013 05:09 PM, Aurélien Leblond wrote:
Hello all,
My composition workflow is based on loops - starting by creating rythms
in Hydrogen and recording a few drum loops in Ardour, creating a bass
line with amSynth or ZynAddSubFX and recording a few bass loops in
Ardour, recording some guitars in Ardour and creating some samples from
that...
The difficulty I'm having in Linux is to create composition from those
loops.
In Ardour is is time consuming to reorganise the loops to test new
order/composition (because Ardour is not meant for that).
My idea of a workflow would be to have a tool to try out the different
loops in different order and "jam" with them to see what works and what
doesn't.
Then once that would be done - I would re-record everything properly in
Ardour (drums with multiple tracks, breaks, etc... a more natural way of
playing, guitar played and not looped, etc)
I have done some research and found "only" 6 tools:
- LMMS - it is mentionned several times that it is designed around loop
composition, but I'm not sure about being able to jam with them. (but at
least being able to compose and move the loops around would be handy)
- Luppp, SooperLooper and FreeWheeling - they more look like software
version of JamMan to me and meant to be played "live"...
- Giada - that's the last one I found, but the website describes a tool
more for DJing and looping complete songs instead of actual instrument
loops...
- Bitwig - I guess Bitwig will be THE killer tool to work with loops
from what I could tell from the website.....but we are still talking a
few months before general availability...
I admit, I didn't really try these tools - I was hoping if anybody in
the community had a similar workflow and could advise in anyway :)
Thanks in advance
Aurélien
I use seq24 in live mode to queue samples in hydrogen. You can turn your
patterns on on off via keyboard or midi. Useful if you already have some
base samples/loops, but is not really what you are after I think.
5:35 p.m.
On Tue, February 5, 2013 3:25 am, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 02/04/2013 05:09 PM, Aurélien Leblond wrote:
TerminatorX and Composite might be useful too.
But Hydrogen by itself is a pretty powerful looping interface. Can
definitely be used in the way you describe by turning on/off the loop
patterns in song mode.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
Hello all,
My composition workflow is based on loops - starting by creating rythms
in Hydrogen and recording a few drum loops in Ardour, creating a bass
line with amSynth or ZynAddSubFX and recording a few bass loops in
Ardour, recording some guitars in Ardour and creating some samples from
that...
The difficulty I'm having in Linux is to create composition from those
loops.
In Ardour is is time consuming to reorganise the loops to test new
order/composition (because Ardour is not meant for that).
My idea of a workflow would be to have a tool to try out the different
loops in different order and "jam" with them to see what works and what
doesn't.
Then once that would be done - I would re-record everything properly in
Ardour (drums with multiple tracks, breaks, etc... a more natural way of
playing, guitar played and not looped, etc)
I have done some research and found "only" 6 tools:
- LMMS - it is mentionned several times that it is designed around loop
composition, but I'm not sure about being able to jam with them. (but at
least being able to compose and move the loops around would be handy)
- Luppp, SooperLooper and FreeWheeling - they more look like software
version of JamMan to me and meant to be played "live"...
- Giada - that's the last one I found, but the website describes a tool
more for DJing and looping complete songs instead of actual instrument
loops...
- Bitwig - I guess Bitwig will be THE killer tool to work with loops
from what I could tell from the website.....but we are still talking a
few months before general availability...
I admit, I didn't really try these tools - I was hoping if anybody in
the community had a similar workflow and could advise in anyway :)
Thanks in advance
Aurélien
I use seq24 in live mode to queue samples in hydrogen. You can turn your
patterns on on off via keyboard or midi. Useful if you already have some
base samples/loops, but is not really what you are after I think.
5 Feb
5 Feb
12:15 a.m.
On Mon, February 4, 2013 8:09 am, Aurélien Leblond wrote:
I have done some research and found "only" 6 tools:
- LMMS - it is mentionned several times that it is designed around loop
composition, but I'm not sure about being able to jam with them. (but at
least being able to compose and move the loops around would be handy)
LMMS does not (in any version I have seen) directly record audio. They
suggest recording audio samples with something like audacity. I think
audio recording is on the road map though.
- Luppp, SooperLooper and FreeWheeling - they more
look like software
version of JamMan to me and meant to be played "live"...
- Giada - that's the last one I found, but the website describes a tool
more for DJing and looping complete songs instead of actual instrument
loops...
- Bitwig - I guess Bitwig will be THE killer tool to work with loops from
what I could tell from the website.....but we are still talking a few
months before general availability...
Not being a "loop" person, I can't comment on these. I would at least try
qtractor though.
--
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net
2:50 p.m.
With Giada you can either load pre-made loops, or record new on the
fly. It really is a killer tool, if you don't need time stretching /
pitch shifting.
I did similar stuff with SooperLooper before I found Giada:
SooperLooper can also load pre-recorded loops and trigger them on top
of each other. Giada has a much more suitable UI/workflow IMHO.
I haven't tried Luppp, but it can also be suitable. Please share your
experiences, if you try it!
-Heikki
--
http://heikki.ketoharju.info
> - Giada - that's the last one I found, but the
website describes a tool
> more for DJing and looping complete songs instead of actual instrument
> loops...
--
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net
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3:17 p.m.
You might also look at renoise - which is a different approach but also
allows recording of clips and looping them...
In fact renoise can be used for all stages of the song creation process,
although I am not sure if it supports non-quantised midi data.
The new matrix view is ideal for this kind of switching in and out
different parts.
On Feb 5, 2013 1:50 PM, "Heikki Ketoharju" <heikki.ketoharju(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
With Giada you can either load pre-made loops, or
record new on the
fly. It really is a killer tool, if you don't need time stretching /
pitch shifting.
I did similar stuff with SooperLooper before I found Giada:
SooperLooper can also load pre-recorded loops and trigger them on top
of each other. Giada has a much more suitable UI/workflow IMHO.
I haven't tried Luppp, but it can also be suitable. Please share your
experiences, if you try it!
-Heikki
--
http://heikki.ketoharju.info
> - Giada - that's the last one I found,
but the website describes a tool
> more for DJing and looping complete songs instead of actual instrument
> loops...
--
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net
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