17 May
2010
17 May
'10
1:08 a.m.
Hey all,
Anyone know of any linux synths out there that combine samples with
synthesis? I was thinking sort of like Sequential Circuit's Prophet VS?
Thanks,
Andrew.
17 May
17 May
4:29 a.m.
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 00:08 +0100, Andrew C wrote:
Hey all,
Anyone know of any linux synths out there that combine samples with
synthesis? I was thinking sort of like Sequential Circuit's Prophet
VS?
I don't think it's quite what you're after, but Specimen is a sampler
with some synthesis features -- it has a resonant lowpass filter, and it
has envelopes and LFOs for just about every paramater (including volume,
panning, pitch, and filter cutoff/resonance)
http://zhevny.com/specimen/
I put together a quick screencast tutorial for it, which you can find
here:
http://blag.linuxgamers.net/?p=469
Another option might be Whysynth -- any of its four oscillators can be
set to one of a bunch of built-in complex waveforms, though I don't
think you can easily add your own waveforms.
Thanks
Leigh
Thanks,
Andrew.
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4:29 a.m.
On Mon, 17 May 2010, Andrew C wrote:
Anyone know of any linux synths out there that combine
samples with
synthesis? I was thinking sort of like Sequential Circuit's Prophet VS?
The Prophet boils down to what you'd call a "Virtual Analog"
synth. The innards are digital, but the ideas are modeled
after the way that analog synths were done.
Linux synths in the class of 'virtual analog' include
ZynAddSubFX (and Yoshimi), Alsa Modular Synth (ams).
There's probably others I haven't thought of. For ams, I
don't think there's any pre-fab'd way to load a misc. sample
file as a base waveform... but I don't think it would be
rocket science for that to be added.
In addition, the "live audio coding" paradigm has a lot of
flexibility in this realm, and some of PureData's (pd)
examples are doing this sort of things.
Hope this helps,
Gabriel
6:30 a.m.
Actually, Phasex can so this, if I understand you correctly.
http://www.sysex.net/phasex/
In the latest version samples oscillators have been added.
Louigi Verona.
*http://www.louigiverona.ru*
7:35 p.m.
Hi,
Thats not correct. The Prophet VS is a hybrid synth, digital oscillators
plus real analogue filters, my favorite combination actually. That
hybrid approach lives on in Dave Smiths Evolver (which again is no VA)
and in the Spectralis. These digital oscillators didnt ape analogue ones
and even alias a bit.
Prophet VS like sounds (typical glassy sounds) can be archived with
Minicomputer softsynth too but you cant feed in samples. It has some
single cycle waveforms which alias a lot and can be formed well with the
filters.
Virtual Analogue tries to simulate analogue sounds via software but that
kind of DSP processing was not affordable for mass market in 1986 when
the VS was released. Typically VA oscillators are band limited to avoid
aliasing. From all mentioned software I think AMS is closest to be a VA.
Cheers,
Malte
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Anyone know of
any linux synths out there that combine samples with
synthesis? I was thinking sort of like Sequential Circuit's Prophet VS?
The Prophet boils down to what you'd call a "Virtual Analog" synth. The
innards are digital, but the ideas are modeled after the way that analog
synths were done.
7:45 p.m.
Thanks for the replies guys!
Yeah, specimen looks pretty cool! I played with it recently - mono legato
mode is very cool with long synth samples!
I've heard great things about phasex, but I never knew it could load
samples! I might just look into that!
Maybe comparing what I was looking for to a prophet VS was a bad idea? :-)
Andrew.
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Malte Steiner <steiner(a)block4.com> wrote:
Hi,
Anyone know of any linux synths out there that combine samples with
plus
real analogue filters, my favorite combination actually. That hybrid
approach lives on in Dave Smiths Evolver (which again is no VA) and in the
Spectralis. These digital oscillators didnt ape analogue ones and even alias
a bit.
Prophet VS like sounds (typical glassy sounds) can be archived with
Minicomputer softsynth too but you cant feed in samples. It has some single
cycle waveforms which alias a lot and can be formed well with the filters.
Virtual Analogue tries to simulate analogue sounds via software but that
kind of DSP processing was not affordable for mass market in 1986 when the
VS was released. Typically VA oscillators are band limited to avoid
aliasing. From all mentioned software I think AMS is closest to be a VA.
Cheers,
Malte
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synthesis? I was thinking sort of like Sequential Circuit's Prophet VS?
The Prophet boils down to what you'd call a "Virtual Analog" synth. The
innards are digital, but the ideas are modeled after the way that analog
synths were done.
Thats not correct. The Prophet VS is a hybrid synth, digital oscillators 
20 May
20 May
3:46 p.m.
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Andrew C <countfuzzball(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys!
Yeah, specimen looks pretty cool! I played with it recently - mono legato
mode is very cool with long synth samples!
I've heard great things about phasex, but I never knew it could load
samples! I might just look into that!
Maybe comparing what I was looking for to a prophet VS was a bad idea? :-)
Andrew.
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Malte Steiner <steiner(a)block4.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>>> Anyone know of any linux synths out there that combine samples with
>>> synthesis? I was thinking sort of like Sequential Circuit's Prophet VS?
You can also combine synthesis with convolution (sampling of spaces)
in very interesting ways. Convolving with the response (sample) of an
instruments resonant space is quite effective but can get complex.
Loki
17 May
17 May
8:06 p.m.
better comparison might be Prophet 2000, Sequential Circuits sampler
with analogue filters??:
http://www.vintagesynth.com/sci/p2000.php
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9:39 p.m.
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Malte Steiner <steiner(a)block4.com> wrote:
Thats not correct. The Prophet VS is a hybrid synth, digital oscillators
plus real analogue filters, my favorite combination actually. That hybrid
approach lives on in Dave Smiths Evolver (which again is no VA) and in the
Spectralis. These digital oscillators didnt ape analogue ones and even alias
a bit.
Adds Emu Emulator EIII to list or hybrid analog filter & digital
sampler/soundshaper (they're awesome, even in the all-digital "xp" version)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260552890845
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vPhaCe2RyU "CJ Bolland sampling with the
Emulator III (1991)"
-- Niels
http://nielsmayer.com
10:49 p.m.
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Niels Mayer <nielsmayer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vPhaCe2RyU "CJ
Bolland sampling with the
Emulator III (1991)"
What a great little clip. I loved his 4th Sign and especially
Electronic Highway, and then I was quite baffled by the stuff he did
after that (which was much more popular, so evidently it was just me).
Chris
11:45 p.m.
hopefully I get my Emulator II working again. When it worked, the hybrid
sound was amazing. Another hybrid sampler/synths, just for the fun of
it: (Samplers are underrated at the moment and cheap to get second hand)
Korg DSS1 (have that, powerful sound)
Korg DSM (although the filters are non resonant or something was about it)
Korg DW8000/6000 synthesizer
Ensoniq Mirage (lofi at best)
Ensoniq ESQ synthesizer / SQ80
Oberheim DPX1 sample player
Emu SP1200 sampling Drumcomputer
Emax (the first one)
and some more synths
Kaway K3
OSCar
PPG Wave 2
Waldorf Wave, Microwave 1
Cheers,
Malte
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18 May
18 May
12:43 a.m.
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 23:45 +0200, Malte Steiner wrote:
hopefully I get my Emulator II working again. When it
worked, the hybrid
sound was amazing. Another hybrid sampler/synths, just for the fun of
it: (Samplers are underrated at the moment and cheap to get second hand)
<snip>
No Cheetah SX16? No Akai S612? No Yamaha TX-16W?
I'm annoyed that I passed up the chance to buy a Greengate DS-3 a while
back...
Gordon MM0YEQ
1:47 a.m.
On 18.05.2010 00:46, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 23:45 +0200, Malte Steiner
wrote:
Not sure about Cheetah. True for the Akai. The TX has digital filters, I
still have one in my studio. It loads filter coefficient tables from
disk and there was a DOS software to create you own, I tried it once or
twice. It was one of the inspirations for Minicomputer...
Cheers,
Malte
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hopefully I get my Emulator II working again.
When it worked, the hybrid
sound was amazing. Another hybrid sampler/synths, just for the fun of
it: (Samplers are underrated at the moment and cheap to get second hand)
<snip>
No Cheetah SX16? No Akai S612? No Yamaha TX-16W?
8:33 a.m.
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 01:47 +0200, Malte Steiner wrote:
On 18.05.2010 00:46, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
The S612 is interesting because it has a socket allowing you to hook it
up to an AX-series synth and run it through the filters in that.
Gordon MM0YEQ
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 23:45 +0200, Malte Steiner
wrote:
Not sure about Cheetah. True for the Akai. The TX has digital filters, I
still have one in my studio. It loads filter coefficient tables from
disk and there was a DOS software to create you own, I tried it once or
twice. It was one of the inspirations for Minicomputer...
hopefully I get my Emulator II working again.
When it worked, the hybrid
sound was amazing. Another hybrid sampler/synths, just for the fun of
it: (Samplers are underrated at the moment and cheap to get second hand)
<snip>
No Cheetah SX16? No Akai S612? No Yamaha TX-16W?
19 May
19 May
6:13 p.m.
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 01:47 +0200, Malte Steiner wrote:
On 18.05.2010 00:46, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
The Casio FZ1 is another underrated old sampler. It has the most
distinctive resonant filters I've ever heard. Really brutal and
distorted!
They are a strange analog/digital hybrid design, which leads many to
think they are digital filters. In fact they are a switched capacitor
design, as far I as can tell. On the schematic the filter/dca chips are
after the D/A converter/sample and holds.
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 23:45 +0200, Malte Steiner
wrote:
Not sure about Cheetah. True for the Akai. The TX has digital filters, I
still have one in my studio. It loads filter coefficient tables from
disk and there was a DOS software to create you own, I tried it once or
twice. It was one of the inspirations for Minicomputer... hopefully I get my Emulator II working again.
When it worked, the hybrid
sound was amazing. Another hybrid sampler/synths, just for the fun of
it: (Samplers are underrated at the moment and cheap to get second hand)
<snip>
No Cheetah SX16? No Akai S612? No Yamaha TX-16W?
Cheers,
Malte
8:16 p.m.
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Malte Steiner <steiner(a)block4.com> wrote:
No Cheetah SX16? No Akai S612? No Yamaha TX-16W?
Thanks for suggesting I try out this synthpler .... a very unique
sound-producer among the many available on linux.
Do you have any suggestions for "patches" to give people a better idea of
what this beast is capable of? It is actually part of Fedora
Not sure about Cheetah. True for the Akai. The TX has digital filters, I
still
have one in my studio. It loads filter coefficient tables from disk
and there was a DOS software to create you own, I tried it once or twice. It
was one of the inspirations for Minicomputer... minicomputer.x86_64 1.41-1.fc12
@updates
(congrats for getting your package directly in the main distro!)
Unfortunately, it comes with minimal presets, but I was eventually able to
make it produce some interesting sounds...
rpm -ql minicomputer
/usr/bin/minicomputer
/usr/bin/minicomputerCPU
/usr/share/applications/minicomputer.desktop
/usr/share/doc/minicomputer-1.41
/usr/share/doc/minicomputer-1.41/CHANGES
/usr/share/doc/minicomputer-1.41/COPYING
/usr/share/doc/minicomputer-1.41/README
/usr/share/doc/minicomputer-1.41/factoryPresets
/usr/share/doc/minicomputer-1.41/factoryPresets/initsinglesound.txt
/usr/share/doc/minicomputer-1.41/factoryPresets/minicomputerMemory.txt
/usr/share/doc/minicomputer-1.41/factoryPresets/minicomputerMulti.txt
/usr/share/doc/minicomputer-1.41/minicomputerManual.pdf
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/minicomputer.xpm
............
also,
...........
Malte Steiner <steiner(a)block4.com>
hopefully I get my Emulator II working again. When it
worked, the hybrid
sound was amazing. Another hybrid sampler/synths, just for the fun of it:
(Samplers are underrated at the moment and cheap to get second hand)
This seems like a good time to re-ask a question here amongst the ancient
equipment freaks :-)
Is there a way to get Emu EIII sample-CD's (as well as the EIII sample
format on hard disk) converted into SFZ or GIG format for use by
LinuxSampler???
http://old.nabble.com/linux-samplers-that-can-read-EMU-EIII-(Emulator-3)-EI…
Niels
http://nielsmayer.com
20 May
20 May
3:40 p.m.
Hi there - http://www.emxp.net/ claims to convert to soundfont format, that
would get you halfway.
Andy
Malte Steiner <steiner(a)block4.com>
hopefully I get my Emulator II working again.
When it worked, the hybrid
sound was amazing. Another hybrid sampler/synths, just for the fun of it:
(Samplers are underrated at the moment and cheap to get second hand)
This seems like a good time to re-ask a question here amongst the ancient
equipment freaks :-)
Is there a way to get Emu EIII sample-CD's (as well as the EIII sample
format on hard disk) converted into SFZ or GIG format for use by
LinuxSampler???
http://old.nabble.com/linux-samplers-that-can-read-EMU-EIII-(Emulator-3)-EI…
Niels
http://nielsmayer.com
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18 May
18 May
12:11 a.m.
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:34:19PM -0700, Niels Mayer wrote:
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Malte Steiner
<steiner(a)block4.com> wrote:
Wasn't the Ensoniq Mirage also a hybrid like that?
Thats not correct. The Prophet VS is a hybrid synth, digital oscillators
plus real analogue filters, my favorite combination actually. That hybrid
approach lives on in Dave Smiths Evolver (which again is no VA) and in the
Spectralis. These digital oscillators didnt ape analogue ones and even alias
a bit.
Adds Emu Emulator EIII to list or hybrid analog filter & digital
sampler/soundshaper (they're awesome, even in the all-digital "xp"
version)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260552890845
12:42 a.m.
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 18:08 -0400, Joshua Boyd wrote:
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:34:19PM -0700, Niels Mayer
wrote:
Yes, as well as the ESQ-1, SQ-80 and SDP-1. Same basic idea, DOC chip,
couple of multiplexers and eight Curtis filters. The Mirage had 128k of
RAM and was a sampler, and the synths had the samples in ROM.
I'd love to get another Mirage keyboard (got a rack, but I'm a
completist) and an SDP-1 piano.
Gordon MM0YEQ
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Malte Steiner
<steiner(a)block4.com> wrote:
Wasn't the Ensoniq Mirage also a hybrid like that?
Thats not correct. The Prophet VS is a hybrid synth, digital oscillators
plus real analogue filters, my favorite combination actually. That hybrid
approach lives on in Dave Smiths Evolver (which again is no VA) and in the
Spectralis. These digital oscillators didnt ape analogue ones and even alias
a bit.
Adds Emu Emulator EIII to list or hybrid analog filter & digital
sampler/soundshaper (they're awesome, even in the all-digital "xp"
version)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260552890845
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