18 Dec
2006
18 Dec
'06
10:43 p.m.
Hello,
I have a Radeon 9200SE video card in my computer which is running
FC5 + CCRMA. Does anyone know where I can find instructions on how to
install drivers for this without damaging my Linux installation?
Also, since I'm using a "non-standard" kernel (CCRMA's
rt-something), does that mean I will have to recompile the kernel, or
what?
Thanks for any help!
-TimH
18 Dec
18 Dec
10:53 p.m.
On 12/19/06, Tim Howard <tdhoward(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Radeon 9200SE video card in my computer
which is running
FC5 + CCRMA. Does anyone know where I can find instructions on how to
install drivers for this without damaging my Linux installation?
Last time I
checked, Radeon was an ATI's card. And had open-source drivers.
Also, since I'm using a
"non-standard" kernel (CCRMA's
rt-something), does that mean I will have to recompile the kernel, or
what?
You should have DRM (Direct Rendering Management) module ATI Radeon
(under Drivers/Char devices) enabled.
And have an appropiate DRI modules for xorg.
Thats all.
Hope this'll help.
Dmitry.
11:06 p.m.
On 12/18/06, Dmitry Baikov <dsbaikov(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/19/06, Tim Howard <tdhoward(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks, I'll go try this...
-TimH
I have a Radeon 9200SE video card in my
computer which is running
FC5 + CCRMA. Does anyone know where I can find instructions on how to
install drivers for this without damaging my Linux installation?
Last time I
checked, Radeon was an ATI's card. And had open-source drivers.
Also, since I'm using a
"non-standard" kernel (CCRMA's
rt-something), does that mean I will have to recompile the kernel, or
what?
You should have DRM (Direct Rendering Management) module ATI Radeon
(under Drivers/Char devices) enabled.
And have an appropiate DRI modules for xorg.
Thats all.
Hope this'll help.
Dmitry.
10:54 p.m.
Tim,
I would suggest not using NVidia drivers with an ATI Radeon graphics adapter.
- Mark
On 12/18/06, Tim Howard <tdhoward(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I have a Radeon 9200SE video card in my computer which is running
FC5 + CCRMA. Does anyone know where I can find instructions on how to
install drivers for this without damaging my Linux installation?
Also, since I'm using a "non-standard" kernel (CCRMA's
rt-something), does that mean I will have to recompile the kernel, or
what?
Thanks for any help!
-TimH
11:18 p.m.
On 12/18/06, Tim Howard <tdhoward(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/18/06, Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I thought so, but hey - you never know! ;-)
Now, why do you need the ATI driver vs. just using the Xorg radeon
driver in the kernel? What are you doing that requires either 3D
accelleration, which may or may not not work with that version of the
9200 anyway, or composite/SVideo outputs. Those are the only reasons I
know to use the ATI driver. I have two 9200-based machines I use as
MythTV front-ends so on those two machines I use ati-drivers. On my
AMD64 desktop that I do music on (well, supposedly it's music...) I
use the radeon driver:
mark@lightning ~ $ lsmod | grep radeon
radeon 109600 2
drm 73448 3 radeon
mark@lightning ~ $
If you can stick with the driver in the kernel then you will find
updating kernels in the future to be far easier. Often a new kernel
comes out and the ATI driver doesn't show up right away so you have to
wait, etc.
- Mark
Tim,
I would suggest not using NVidia drivers with an ATI Radeon graphics adapter.
- Mark
LOL, oops... I meant ATI. <blush>
-TimH
11:27 p.m.
On 12/18/06, Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Now, why do you need the ATI driver vs. just using the
Xorg radeon
driver in the kernel? What are you doing that requires either 3D
accelleration, which may or may not not work with that version of the
9200 anyway, or composite/SVideo outputs. Those are the only reasons I
know to use the ATI driver.
Well, once upon a time I had a SuSE installation on this very machine,
and hardware 3D acceleration did not work at all. (software rendering)
But when I installed the binary drivers, it worked quite well. I
have since heard that for various reasons, that's not so good.
So when I did this FC5 install, I found that the 3D acceleration was
not up to par with what I had before, and I assumed that FC5 didn't
come with the drivers for my card. But I'm finding out that maybe
they do, and I'm still not quite getting the acceleration that I'm
used to.
mark@lightning ~ $ lsmod | grep radeon
radeon 109600 2
drm 73448 3 radeon
mark@lightning ~ $
I'll run that command when I get home, and see what it says...
Thanks,
-TimH
11:49 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 19:27 -0800, Tim Howard wrote:
On 12/18/06, Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Neither option is "good" or "bad". It's a tradeoff between
performance
(binary only driver) and reliability/debuggability/freedom (open source
driver).
It's almost certain that you'll get higher frame rates with the closed
source driver, as the vendor knows all the secret details of the
hardware.
You can check whether 3D acceleration is working with:
$ glxinfo | grep direct
If you see:
direct rendering: Yes
then HW acceleration is working.
ee
Now, why do you need the ATI driver vs. just
using the Xorg radeon
driver in the kernel? What are you doing that requires either 3D
accelleration, which may or may not not work with that version of the
9200 anyway, or composite/SVideo outputs. Those are the only reasons I
know to use the ATI driver.
Well, once upon a time I had a SuSE installation on this very machine,
and hardware 3D acceleration did not work at all. (software rendering)
But when I installed the binary drivers, it worked quite well. I
have since heard that for various reasons, that's not so good.
So when I did this FC5 install, I found that the 3D acceleration was
not up to par with what I had before, and I assumed that FC5 didn't
come with the drivers for my card. But I'm finding out that maybe
they do, and I'm still not quite getting the acceleration that I'm
used to.
19 Dec
19 Dec
12:25 a.m.
On 12/18/06, Tim Howard <tdhoward(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/18/06, Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Granted. 3D accel works better in fglrx than radeon. No question about that.
The question I have is what are you doing on a Linux music box that requires it?
I decided not to do any of those things on this Linux box and just
stock with the radeon driver from xorg so that I didn't have to deal
with any of this.
Have fun,
Mark
Now, why do you need the ATI driver vs. just
using the Xorg radeon
driver in the kernel? What are you doing that requires either 3D
accelleration, which may or may not not work with that version of the
9200 anyway, or composite/SVideo outputs. Those are the only reasons I
know to use the ATI driver.
Well, once upon a time I had a SuSE installation on this very machine,
and hardware 3D acceleration did not work at all. (software rendering)
But when I installed the binary drivers, it worked quite well. I
have since heard that for various reasons, that's not so good.
So when I did this FC5 install, I found that the 3D acceleration was
not up to par with what I had before, and I assumed that FC5 didn't
come with the drivers for my card. But I'm finding out that maybe
they do, and I'm still not quite getting the acceleration that I'm
used to. mark@lightning ~ $ lsmod | grep radeon
radeon 109600 2
drm 73448 3 radeon
mark@lightning ~ $
I'll run that command when I get home, and see what it says...
Thanks,
-TimH
10:58 p.m.
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:43:19 -0800
"Tim Howard" <tdhoward(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Radeon 9200SE video card in my computer
which is running
FC5 + CCRMA. Does anyone know where I can find instructions on how to
install drivers for this without damaging my Linux installation?
It's actually well documented at the Nvidia site and in the readme file
that comes with the driver.
Also, since I'm using a
"non-standard" kernel (CCRMA's
rt-something), does that mean I will have to recompile the kernel, or
what?
No, just compile the kernel module, which the installer script does
automatically if the kernel-devel package is installed.
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11:07 p.m.
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:58:11 -0500
Joe Hartley <jh(a)brainiac.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:43:19 -0800
"Tim Howard" <tdhoward(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hmmm, maybe I shouldn't answer email and play poker at the same time....
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Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa
I have a Radeon 9200SE video card in my
computer which is running
FC5 + CCRMA. Does anyone know where I can find instructions on how to
install drivers for this without damaging my Linux installation?
It's actually well documented at the Nvidia site and in the readme file
that comes with the driver.
11:10 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 18:43 -0800, Tim Howard wrote:
Hello,
I have a Radeon 9200SE video card in my computer which is running
FC5 + CCRMA. Does anyone know where I can find instructions on how to
install drivers for this without damaging my Linux installation?
Also, since I'm using a "non-standard" kernel (CCRMA's
rt-something), does that mean I will have to recompile the kernel, or
what?
Thanks for any help!
See http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon. There should be no need
to recompile the kernel or use a binary-only driver.
Are you sure the distro did not already install the correct driver?
Lee
11:16 p.m.
On 12/18/06, Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 18:43 -0800, Tim Howard wrote:
No, but I'm at work right now, and my Linux box is at home.
Now that I look at the contents of the FC5 distro, I see that there is
a "xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.5.7.3-4.i3..>" RPM, which I'm guessing would
contain the DRI module that I need?
-TimH
Hello,
I have a Radeon 9200SE video card in my computer which is running
FC5 + CCRMA. Does anyone know where I can find instructions on how to
install drivers for this without damaging my Linux installation?
Also, since I'm using a "non-standard" kernel (CCRMA's
rt-something), does that mean I will have to recompile the kernel, or
what?
Thanks for any help!
See http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon. There should be no need
to recompile the kernel or use a binary-only driver.
Are you sure the distro did not already install the correct driver?
Lee
11:20 p.m.
On 12/18/06, Tim Howard <tdhoward(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/18/06, Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com>
wrote:
No, I think DRI is part of the kernel. I compile it as a module and
then load it as 'drm'. See my other post for the two Xorg-X11 drivers
in use on AMD64 with multiple sound cards.
- Mark
On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 18:43 -0800, Tim Howard
wrote:
No, but I'm at work right now, and my Linux box is at home.
Now that I look at the contents of the FC5 distro, I see that there is
a "xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.5.7.3-4.i3..>" RPM, which I'm guessing would
contain the DRI module that I need?
-TimH
Hello,
I have a Radeon 9200SE video card in my computer which is running
FC5 + CCRMA. Does anyone know where I can find instructions on how to
install drivers for this without damaging my Linux installation?
Also, since I'm using a "non-standard" kernel (CCRMA's
rt-something), does that mean I will have to recompile the kernel, or
what?
Thanks for any help!
See http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon. There should be no need
to recompile the kernel or use a binary-only driver.
Are you sure the distro did not already install the correct driver?
Lee
11:59 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 19:20 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
You need both for DRI to work - a kernel module and a userspace X11
driver. On my system the kernel module is "via":
via 41568 1
drm 62356 2 via
via_agp 9088 1
agpgart 29744 2 drm,via_agp
And the X driver is "via_drv.so":
/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/via_drv.so
If the X server is properly configured, the kernel modules will
automatically be loaded when X starts. Check Xorg logs.
Lee
Now that I
look at the contents of the FC5 distro, I see that there
is
a "xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.5.7.3-4.i3..>"
RPM, which I'm guessing would
contain the DRI module that I need?
-TimH
No, I think DRI is part of the kernel. I compile it as a module and
then load it as 'drm'. See my other post for the two Xorg-X11 drivers
in use on AMD64 with multiple sound cards.
23 Dec
23 Dec
9:31 p.m.
On 12/18/06, Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
You need both for DRI to work - a kernel module and a userspace X11
driver. On my system the kernel module is "via":
via 41568 1
drm 62356 2 via
via_agp 9088 1
agpgart 29744 2 drm,via_agp
And the X driver is "via_drv.so":
/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/via_drv.so
If the X server is properly configured, the kernel modules will
automatically be loaded when X starts. Check Xorg logs.
Lee
OK, my Xorg log shows this:
(II) LoadModule: "dri"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
(II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading sub module "drm"
(II) LoadModule: "drm"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux/libdrm.so
(II) Module drm: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
(II) LoadModule: "radeon"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so
(II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 4.0.3
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.8
(II) LoadModule: "ati"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so
(II) Module ati: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 6.5.7
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.8
Also, glxinfo tells me that direct rendering is working.
So now I think everything has been working fine, I just have the
open-source drivers instead of the binary only, which I'm hearing
makes 3D rendering a bit slower.
That's OK though, since I'm not much into 3D gaming with my audio workstation...
Thank you all for your help on this!
Cheers,
-TimH
Now that I look at the contents of the FC5 distro, I
see that there
is
a "xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.5.7.3-4.i3..>"
RPM, which I'm guessing would
contain the DRI module that I need?
-TimH
No, I think DRI is part of the kernel. I compile it as a module and
then load it as 'drm'. See my other post for the two Xorg-X11 drivers
in use on AMD64 with multiple sound cards.
19 Dec
19 Dec
9:18 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 18:43 -0800, Tim Howard wrote:
Hello,
I have a Radeon 9200SE video card in my computer which is running
FC5 + CCRMA. Does anyone know where I can find instructions on how to
install drivers for this without damaging my Linux installation?
Also, since I'm using a "non-standard" kernel (CCRMA's
rt-something), does that mean I will have to recompile the kernel, or
what?
Late to this thread but here it goes anyway...
For radeon chipsets <= 9250 (you should be fine) hardware 3d
acceleration is supported out of the box (the kernel module and the X
support). It should work... see what frame rate you get from, for
example, glxgears. I'm using 9250 cards myself with no problem.
-- Fernando
20 Dec
20 Dec
8:59 p.m.
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:17:41 -0800
Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando(a)ccrma.Stanford.EDU> écrivait:
For radeon chipsets <= 9250 [...]
Sticking to the subject line, what's the recommended procedure to use
the Nvidia driver with CCRMA ? I tried once several months ago,
following the advice ona web site (whose URL I do not have now) and
ended up re-installing the whole system (Fedora + CCRMA) since I ended
up with somethign vrey wrong in the graphics display.
Thanks,
Al
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