29 Nov
2004
29 Nov
'04
8 p.m.
I'm having trouble getting my external MIDI ports to work again.
They worked fine in the morning, and now they're gone. I found
out that my MIDI ports were missing when I fired up Rosegarden and it
couldn't connect to any output ports. I googled, read manual pages
and FAQs, and searched through mailing list archives for nearly a day.
Coming up with nothing that helped, I'm hoping that some kind person
reading this could help me figure this out. Here are some details.
My loaded sound and/or MIDI related modules are these:
snd-seq-oss 27648 0
snd-seq-midi-event 4480 1 snd-seq-oss
snd-seq 40336 4 snd-seq-oss,snd-seq-midi-event
snd-pcm-oss 45992 0
snd-mixer-oss 16384 1 snd-pcm-oss
snd-ens1371 18020 0
snd-rawmidi 17700 1 snd-ens1371
snd-seq-device 5640 2 snd-seq-oss,snd-rawmidi
snd-ac97-codec 59616 1 snd-ens1371
snd-pcm 68616 3 snd-pcm-oss,snd-ens1371,snd-ac97-codec
snd-timer 19204 2 snd-seq,snd-pcm
snd-page-alloc 6408 1 snd-pcm
gameport 2176 1 snd-ens1371
snd 38244 10 snd-seq-oss,snd-seq,snd-pcm-oss,\
snd-mixer-oss,snd-ens1371,snd-rawmidi,\
snd-seq-device,snd-ac97-codec,snd-pcm,\
snd-timer
soundcore 6112 2 snd,bttv
[I broke the "snd" module line above.]
The /proc files that seem important are these:
::::::::::::::
/proc/asound/version
::::::::::::::
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.6a.
Compiled on Sep 30 2004 for kernel 2.6.7-1.mm.7mdk-i686-up-4GB.
::::::::::::::
/proc/asound/cards
::::::::::::::
0 [AudioPCI ]: ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI
Ensoniq AudioPCI ENS1371 at 0xdc00, irq 18
::::::::::::::
/proc/asound/devices
::::::::::::::
0: [0- 0]: ctl
8: [0- 0]: raw midi
17: [0- 1]: digital audio playback
16: [0- 0]: digital audio playback
24: [0- 0]: digital audio capture
1: : sequencer
33: : timer
::::::::::::::
/proc/asound/card0/midi0
::::::::::::::
ES1371
Output 0
Tx bytes : 0
Input 0
Rx bytes : 0
I try to find ports like so:
[#43] aplaymidi -l
Port Client name Port name
[#48] aconnect -li
client 0: 'System' [type=kernel]
0 'Timer '
1 'Announce '
Connecting To: 63:0
[#49] aconnect -lo
[#50]
What can I do better to debug this? Better yet, how can I fix it?
Thanks much....
--
Kevin
8:18 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Alsa-user] External MIDI ports disappeared!
On 29 November 2004 at 19:04, Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 16:00 -0800, Kevin Cosgrove
wrote:
FC3? What's that? Is it Fedora? I'm using Mandrake 10.1 Official.
Sorry for my ignorance....
--
Kevin
I'm having trouble getting my external MIDI
ports to work again.
Are you using FC3 by any chance? 
8:35 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Alsa-user] External MIDI ports disappeared!
Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
On 29 November 2004 at 19:04, Lee Revell
<rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
I had my midi ports dissapear after moving from the mm-6 to the mm-7
kernel in MDK 10.0. For whatever reason the seq modules were not being
loaded in the kernel. Once I inserted them with modprobe, they were fine.
Your problem is a little different it seems....did you change or alter
anything in the time between midi ports showing and midi ports not
showing? It seems the right modules are still loaded according to your
lsmod...
R~
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 16:00 -0800, Kevin Cosgrove
wrote:
FC3? What's that? Is it Fedora? I'm using Mandrake 10.1 Official.
Sorry for my ignorance....
--
Kevin
I'm having trouble getting my external MIDI
ports to work again.
Are you using FC3 by any chance?
9:02 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: External MIDI ports disappeared!
On 29 November 2004 at 16:35, Russell Hanaghan <hanaghan(a)starband.net> wrote:
I had my midi ports dissapear after moving from the
mm-6 to the
mm-7 kernel in MDK 10.0. For whatever reason the seq modules
were not being loaded in the kernel. Once I inserted them with
modprobe, they were fine.
Hmm. No kernel changes here. The kernel I'm using is my default
one in LILO, and I seldom boot anything other.
Your problem is a little different it seems....did you
change
or alter anything in the time between midi ports showing and
midi ports not showing? It seems the right modules are still
loaded according to your lsmod...
Yes. I turned off the on-board sound. I did that in order to
get the ENS1317 to be recognized at boot-time. I couldn't get
modules.conf to get those modules loaded. I'm 94.81% positive
that MIDI worked after that change. But, I turned the on-board
sound back on anyway. No change in MIDI behavior. On-board
sound is back off now for ease of loading the ENS1317 modules at
boot-time.
I'm using a different monitor and a different PS/2 mouse than I
was when MIDI worked. It could be that MIDI was broken before
making these changes; I can't remember. But, I do know that MIDI
hasn't worked ever since changing the monitor and mouse. The
mouse is using the same exact driver as before. The monitor
changed resolution capability. The video card is exactly the
same, as is the video card driver. I could put it back the way
it was, but it would be truly surprising to me if that had any
effect. Your thoughts?
--
Kevin
10:23 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: External MIDI ports disappeared!
Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
On 29 November 2004 at 16:35, Russell Hanaghan
<hanaghan(a)starband.net> wrote:
How did you do this (MCC?) and why was it necessary? Is the ENS1317
your onbaord sound card?
I had my midi ports dissapear after moving from
the mm-6 to the
mm-7 kernel in MDK 10.0. For whatever reason the seq modules
were not being loaded in the kernel. Once I inserted them with
modprobe, they were fine.
Hmm. No kernel changes here. The kernel I'm using is my default
one in LILO, and I seldom boot anything other.
Your problem is a little different it seems....did
you change
or alter anything in the time between midi ports showing and
midi ports not showing? It seems the right modules are still
loaded according to your lsmod...
Yes. I turned off the on-board sound. I did that in order to
get the ENS1317 to be recognized at boot-time.
I couldn't get
modules.conf to get those modules loaded. I'm 94.81% positive
that MIDI worked after that change. But, I turned the on-board
sound back on anyway. No change in MIDI behavior. On-board
sound is back off now for ease of loading the ENS1317 modules at
boot-time.
Now if you were 94.825 % sure I'd could prolly help...but since your
only 94.81%... 8~) (Sorry...couldn't resist)
I'd do some Googling on Udev. Lee cites this in a folowing post and
although I'm a MDK user, I'm not familiar with Udev at all. It's a new
thingy. And I think 10.1 is the first release to use it in MDK?
Try looking at your modprobe.conf and seeing if there is anything funky
going on there as a result of turning off your card the first time;
"hard drake" can do some odd things at times in detecting new
hardware...or what it perceives as new.
I'm using a different monitor and a different PS/2
mouse than I
was when MIDI worked. It could be that MIDI was broken before
making these changes; I can't remember. But, I do know that MIDI
hasn't worked ever since changing the monitor and mouse. The
mouse is using the same exact driver as before. The monitor
changed resolution capability. The video card is exactly the
same, as is the video card driver. I could put it back the way
it was, but it would be truly surprising to me if that had any
effect. Your thoughts?
I try not to think and it works for me! Having not thought about
that...let me not think about this; I doubt your mouse or monitor had
bumpkiss to do with anything here but I can only be 94.81% sure about
that. (eh-hem)
--
Kevin
11:20 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: External MIDI ports disappeared!
On 29 November 2004 at 18:23, Russell Hanaghan <hanaghan(a)starband.net> wrote:
How did you do this (MCC?) and why was it necessary?
Is the ENS1317
your onbaord sound card?
I did this in the BIOS. My ENS1317 is a PCI card.
Now if you were 94.825 % sure I'd could prolly
help...but since
your only 94.81%... 8~) (Sorry...couldn't resist) >
Whew! Someone caught my joke. -sigh-of-relief-
I'd do some Googling on Udev. Lee cites this in a
folowing post and
although I'm a MDK user, I'm not familiar with Udev at all. It's a new
thingy. And I think 10.1 is the first release to use it in MDK?
Just checked the Mandrakelinux website, and yes udev is first seen in
10.1.
Try looking at your modprobe.conf and seeing if there
is anything funky
going on there as a result of turning off your card the first time;
"hard drake" can do some odd things at times in detecting new
hardware...or what it perceives as new.
Hmmm, I'll look at that.
I try not to think and it works for me! Having not
thought about
that...let me not think about this; I doubt your mouse or monitor had
bumpkiss to do with anything here but I can only be 94.81% sure about
that. (eh-hem)
Well, if harddrake can mess up udev, then maybe that could be part of
the snarl too?
I'll follow your leads. Thanks!
--
Kevin
9:26 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Alsa-user] External MIDI ports disappeared!
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 16:35 -0800, Russell Hanaghan wrote:
Your problem is a little different it seems....did you
change or alter
anything in the time between midi ports showing and midi ports not
showing? It seems the right modules are still loaded according to your
lsmod...
The only think I can think of is that it might be udev related.
Lee
10:05 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: External MIDI ports disappeared!
On 29 November 2004 at 20:26, Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
The only think I can think of is that it might be udev
related.
udev? Is that like DevFs? I think my system runs DevFs.
Thx again...
--
Kevin
30 Nov
30 Nov
7:41 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Alsa-user] External MIDI ports disappeared!
Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
I'm having trouble getting my external MIDI ports
to work again.
[#43] aplaymidi -l
Port Client name Port name
/proc/asound/version
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.6a.
This version had a bug that prevented it from autoloading sequencer
modules. Either load snd-seq-midi manually, or use ALSA 1.0.7.
HTH
Clemens
12:56 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: External MIDI ports disappeared!
On 30 November 2004 at 12:41, Clemens Ladisch <clemens(a)ladisch.de> wrote:
Looking at the lsmod output from my original email in this thread
I see that the snd-seq-midi module was *NOT* loaded. If I want
to have it be reliable, then I apparently should upgrade to ALSA
1.0.7. Is there a preferred method of upgrading ALSA on Mandrake
10.1? The last time I tried to upgrade ALSA (from 0.5 to 0.9)
on Mandrake (was it 9.0?) the drivers were built as part of the
kernel, and the ALSA apps were built & packaged separately. I'm
OK with building kernels and such. But, I'd like a *preferred*
recipe, if anyone has something like that.
Thanks...
P.S.: FWIW, I'll use my MandrakeClub status to request that they
release ALSA 1.0.7 as an upgrade.
--
Kevin
Advanced Linux
Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.6a.
This version had a bug that prevented it from autoloading sequencer
modules. Either load snd-seq-midi manually, or use ALSA 1.0.7.
2 Dec
2 Dec
1:41 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: External MIDI ports disappeared!
I took the extreme route to solve my problem: I reinstalled my
system. I know, I know, this is not WinXX -- What? Was I thinking?
Since I only installed the system 3-4 days earlier, I didn't have
that much to lose.
At any rate, MIDI ports are back now, and duplex sound works. I
haven't looked at everything, but all I checked out before works
again.
Cheers....
--
Kevin
6 Dec
6 Dec
8:36 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: External MIDI ports disappeared!
> > Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver
Version 1.0.6a.
>
> This version had a bug that prevented it from autoloading sequencer
> modules. Either load snd-seq-midi manually, or use ALSA 1.0.7.
For what it's worth, using these kernels on Mandrake 10.1 has these
results for me:
kernel-2.6.8.1.12mdk-1-1mdk - ALSA modules load fine and system
power-off works too.
kernel-multimedia-i686-up-4GB-2.6.7-1.mm.3mdk - ALSA modules load
fine. System won't power-off at shutdown (requires operator to press
on/off switch).
kernel-multimedia-i686-up-4GB-2.6.7-1.mm.7mdk - ALSA module loading
leaves snd-seq-midi *unloaded*, requires modprobe to load it. System
won't power-off at shutdown.
I hope that helps someone. Cheers....
--
Kevin
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