30 Jan
2003
30 Jan
'03
2:19 a.m.
Greetings,
Recently I picked up Peter Gabriel's _Up_ disc. In the fine print on the
outside of the case it says "This is an enhanced CD. Please put it in
your computer."
Of course, the finer print inside says that by "computer" they mean a PC
or a Mac. My linux box won't recognize the executable to play the durn
thing: it's encoded so that on a CD-ROM the tracks can't be accessed
directly.
Two questions:
1) Is there a linux utility that can deal with such?
2) (Somewhat off-topic for this list) I'm presuming the answer to 1) is
"no." If this is the case: When I boot up the Windows side of my
(dual-boot) system, and put in the disc, the executable brings up a menu
one option of which is "play." If I click on this it starts the generic
Windows CD player, which is of course useless for, well, turning the songs
into ogg files.
How would I set up a symbolic link in Windows, so that a call for
the generic CD player brings up, say, musicmatch? I can usually deal with
these things in linux but I'm not very confident messing things around in
Windows.
I know Micro$oft products aren't the usual topic of discussion on this
list; I promise not to make a habit of these sorts of questions.
Thanks!
--Anthony
30 Jan
30 Jan
4:24 a.m.
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:12:38 -0500 (EST)
Anthony Perez-Miller <aperezmi(a)indiana.edu> wrote:
Greetings,
Recently I picked up Peter Gabriel's _Up_ disc. In the fine print on the
outside of the case it says "This is an enhanced CD. Please put it in
your computer."
Of course, the finer print inside says that by "computer" they mean a PC
or a Mac. My linux box won't recognize the executable to play the durn
thing: it's encoded so that on a CD-ROM the tracks can't be accessed
directly.
Well, this is the common problem of Peter Gabriel's 'Up' and 'OvO'
and Yes's 'The Ladder' and many others :-)
Two questions:
1) Is there a linux utility that can deal with such?
You will never believe - it's called "mount" :-)
mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
Assuming there can be some _Windows_ executable file, try run it
with WINE.
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4:43 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 01:12:38AM -0500, Anthony Perez-Miller wrote:
Greetings,
Recently I picked up Peter Gabriel's _Up_ disc. In the fine print on the
outside of the case it says "This is an enhanced CD. Please put it in
your computer."
Of course, the finer print inside says that by "computer" they mean a PC
or a Mac. My linux box won't recognize the executable to play the durn
thing:
That's inexcusable. It's perfectly possible to put information on a CD in
the form of a web site and the music in the form of MP3 files (or ogg,
preferably both so everybody's happy) and let the system decide how to play
tham.
1) Is there a linux utility that can deal with such?
I presume it's got wimdows executables on it. Is WINE any help?
How would I set up a symbolic link in Windows, so
that a call for
the generic CD player brings up, say, musicmatch?
You can associate a progame with a file type (extension)...
Open any folder in windows, select "Folder Option" from the "Views"
menu,
click the "File Types" Tab, create a type for the extension on the file
name, and specify a default action to "Open" files, and other actions (if
you want) which apear on the right-click pop-up menu.
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8:51 a.m.
Anahata wrote:
well sadly Peter Gabriel has gone the way of being one of the big
supporters of DRM and 'corrupt' CDs... discs with copy-prevention
technology... 'Up' was promoted with the release of windoze media player
9 which is their latest effort in spyware-enabled locked down audio
:-(....
m~
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Of course, the
finer print inside says that by "computer" they mean a PC
or a Mac. My linux box won't recognize the executable to play the durn
thing:
That's inexcusable. It's perfectly possible to put information on a CD in
the form of a web site and the music in the form of MP3 files (or ogg,
preferably both so everybody's happy) and let the system decide how to play
tham. 
9:05 a.m.
Greetings:
Another solution to this problem might be found with the Crossover
Plugin. It supports Windows Media Player, so perhaps you can invoke WMP
via the Crossover Plugin to play your legally corrupted CDs.
What's the legal situation regarding the return policy ? If I
inadvertently purchase such a disc, can I return it for a full refund ?
Best regards,
== Dave Phillips
The Book Of Linux Music & Sound at http://www.nostarch.com/lms.htm
The Linux Soundapps Site at http://linux-sound.org
iriXx wrote:
Anahata wrote:
well sadly Peter Gabriel has gone the way of being one of the big
supporters of DRM and 'corrupt' CDs... discs with copy-prevention
technology... 'Up' was promoted with the release of windoze media player
9 which is their latest effort in spyware-enabled locked down audio
:-(....
m~
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Of course,
the finer print inside says that by "computer" they mean a PC
or a Mac. My linux box won't recognize the executable to play the durn
thing:
That's inexcusable. It's perfectly possible to put information on a CD in
the form of a web site and the music in the form of MP3 files (or ogg,
preferably both so everybody's happy) and let the system decide how to play
tham.
9:58 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 12:44:20PM +0000, iriXx wrote:
Anahata wrote:
> That's inexcusable.
well sadly Peter Gabriel has gone the way of being one
of the big
supporters of DRM and 'corrupt' CDs.
Oh. Downgrade from "inexcusable" to "beyond the pale"
- especially on a free software list like this!
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10:47 a.m.
Anahata wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 12:44:20PM +0000, iriXx
wrote:
exactly... best not to ask me about it since im writing a book on the
issue... see http://www.copyleftmedia.org.uk
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Anahata wrote:
That's inexcusable.
well sadly Peter Gabriel has gone the way of being
one of the big
supporters of DRM and 'corrupt' CDs.
Oh. Downgrade from "inexcusable" to "beyond the pale"
- especially on a free software list like this!
10:37 a.m.
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:44:20 +0000
iriXx <m(a)irixx.org> wrote:
well sadly Peter Gabriel has gone the way of being one
of the big
supporters of DRM and 'corrupt' CDs... discs with copy-prevention
technology... 'Up' was promoted with the release of windoze media player
9 which is their latest effort in spyware-enabled locked down audio
:-(....
You could try Mplayer. It has support for "Windows Media Audio/Video 9" since
v0.90rc1 (current is rc3).
janne
10:44 a.m.
well sadly Peter Gabriel has gone the way of being one
of the big
supporters of DRM and 'corrupt' CDs... discs with copy-prevention
technology... 'Up' was promoted with the release of windoze media
player 9 which is their latest effort in spyware-enabled locked down
audio :-(....
m~
So, I've been buying up every Gabriel-era Genesis CD, and he thinks I'm
a pirate?
It makes me wonder what other famous and tech-savvy musicians, like
Alan Parsons or Todd Rundgren, think of things like DRM.
Sorry for the off-topic post, but I needed to get this off my chest. :-)
-Darren
11:01 a.m.
Darren Landrum wrote:
if you share them with your friends or make personal backups, yup...
well sadly
Peter Gabriel has gone the way of being one of the big
supporters of DRM and 'corrupt' CDs... discs with copy-prevention
technology... 'Up' was promoted with the release of windoze media
player 9 which is their latest effort in spyware-enabled locked down
audio :-(....
m~
So, I've been buying up every Gabriel-era Genesis CD, and he thinks I'm
a pirate?
It makes me wonder what other famous and tech-savvy
musicians, like Alan
Parsons or Todd Rundgren, think of things like DRM.
thats an interesting one... opinion is divided as far as i have read...
Apple seems to be avoiding DRM for now, so apple-based musicians are
interesting to talk to....
Sound on Sound did a scathing review of DRM from a pro-audio point of
view... i think it was the December issue.. probably online now
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/
Sorry for the off-topic post, but I needed to get this off my chest. :-)
heh... dont worry... well, hmm, i better not comment too much since if
anyone gets me started on this topic i'll be in danger of dragging the
entire list down with OT post.... ;-)
m~
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11:42 a.m.
> It makes me wonder what other famous and
tech-savvy musicians, like Alan
> Parsons or Todd Rundgren, think of things like DRM.
Now there's an idea for a series of interviews...
Sound on Sound did a scathing review of DRM from a
pro-audio point of
view... i think it was the December issue.. probably online now
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/
It was a piece on Secure Audio Path in the Cutting Edge column.
I've just submitted a much longer piece on DRM which might make it into the
March issue. It's a feature article covering hackSDMI, wma/Beale Screamer,
Liquid Audio, RealNetworks Helix DRM, Cactus Data Shield (now known as CDS),
TCPA and that thing that used to be called Palladium until MS re-branded it.
Seems they had ripped off someone else's intellectual property!
The CDS-300 system has particular implications for Linux audio users because
it's a multisession CD. It attempts to force the computer to use the Yellow
Book session, which contains DRM enabled Windows Media Player files. If I
find out I've bought one of these, it's going straight back to the shop.
Maybe musicians should state on CD labels when they are offering 100% Red Book
discs that will work on anything...
Cheers
Daniel
7:27 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 02:53:51PM +0000, iriXx wrote:
Darren Landrum wrote:
if you share them with your friends or make personal backups, yup...
personal backups really should be protected in the US as "fair use".
http://www.eff.org/IP/eff_fair_use_faq.html
unfortunately it's not clear what is and isn't fair use,
and the US gov't recently seems determined to dismantle the fair use
protections entirely. :(
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8:49 a.m.
can you run it under WINE?
Anthony Perez-Miller wrote:
Greetings,
Recently I picked up Peter Gabriel's _Up_ disc. In the fine print on the
outside of the case it says "This is an enhanced CD. Please put it in
your computer."
Of course, the finer print inside says that by "computer" they mean a PC
or a Mac. My linux box won't recognize the executable to play the durn
thing: it's encoded so that on a CD-ROM the tracks can't be accessed
directly.
Two questions:
1) Is there a linux utility that can deal with such?
2) (Somewhat off-topic for this list) I'm presuming the answer to 1) is
"no." If this is the case: When I boot up the Windows side of my
(dual-boot) system, and put in the disc, the executable brings up a menu
one option of which is "play." If I click on this it starts the generic
Windows CD player, which is of course useless for, well, turning the songs
into ogg files.
How would I set up a symbolic link in Windows, so that a call for
the generic CD player brings up, say, musicmatch? I can usually deal with
these things in linux but I'm not very confident messing things around in
Windows.
I know Micro$oft products aren't the usual topic of discussion on this
list; I promise not to make a habit of these sorts of questions.
Thanks!
--Anthony
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11:23 a.m.
Recently I picked up Peter Gabriel's _Up_ disc.
In the fine print on the
outside of the case it says "This is an enhanced CD. Please put it in
your computer."
[...]
1) Is there a linux utility that can deal with such?
2) (Somewhat off-topic for this list) I'm presuming the answer to 1) is
"no." If this is the case: When I boot up the Windows side of my
(dual-boot) system, and put in the disc, the executable brings up a menu
one option of which is "play." If I click on this it starts the generic
Windows CD player, which is of course useless for, well, turning the songs
into ogg files.
How would I set up a symbolic link in Windows, so that a call for
the generic CD player brings up, say, musicmatch? I can usually deal with
these things in linux but I'm not very confident messing things around in
Windows.
yep they've completely broken cd's :-(
cant speak for specific examples, but most of the enhanced cds are
macromedia director compiled executables with separate media files.
Often you can forget the useless Director crap and just look at the
real content which in most cases is going to consist of not much
more than the promotional video, which is most likely a quick-time
file which a recent mplayer has a good chance of being able to play
once you have mounted the disk.
but you'd probably be better off not wasting your time with crippled riaa disks :-)
good luck!
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Tim Orford
1:04 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 01:12:38AM -0500, Anthony Perez-Miller wrote:
1) Is there a linux utility that can deal with such?
I've never had one of these crippled CDs to play around with, but I'd
try somethings before resorting to using WINE to play the WMA files.
1) Try ripping it with cdparanoia anyhow. You might have to mess around
with the options some.
2) If that doesn't work, I'd next try readcd to directly pull
information off the disc. IIRC, CDs with both data and audio, are just
multisession discs. The first session contains the audio, since CD
players will only read the first session. The second session contains
the data track. When stuck in a computer, the computer is smart enough
to see the data. This is the CD-EXTRA technique.
What you want to do, is only get to the first session - the one with the
audio data. Now, because of the copy protection on the audio data, I'm
not sure this will help you at all - the audio may be too corrupted to
extract at all.
cdrdao's "read-toc" function should be able to read the TOC from the
disc. You'll need to specify the --session option to choose the correct
session manually.
From here, you'll be able to do one of two things:
either try to use
cdrdao's "read-cd" option, which will rip a burnable
image of the data
along with the toc info, or, get the sectors that contain the audio
information.
If cdrdao read-cd is unable to extract the right stuff, you could go
back to read-cd and specifically tell it what sectors to read. This
will get you raw CDDA information, which you can convert to WAV with
sox. If cdrdao read-cd does work, you'll have a burnable image and can
burn out a regular, plane-jane redbook audio disc.
Sounds like it'll be a fun project. Maybe I'll go pick up the disc just
to see if I can hack around the protection ::-)
On a related note, has anyone tried this?
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He fires Holy-Water from it. It is a Holy-Water Cannon.
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