El Lunes, 17 de Septiembre de 2007 11:24, tim hall escribió: | david wrote: | > Yah, I could burn a SuSE CD and install that, then upgrade the packages. | > Thanks for the idea. Just what I need - (YALAD) Yet Another Linux Audio | > Distro throing it's hat into the ring. I wonder how it compares to | > pure:bolic, dyne:bolic, Musix, Ubuntu Studio, Studio64, | | It's '64 Studio' btw. | | or what other's | | > I forgot to include? | > | > I do sometimes wish the developers would all get together | | That's roughly what we're all doing on this list. (or LAD anyway) | | and focus on | | > one distro and finish making the applications work right ... ;-) | | It's never going to happen due to the laws of statistical probability. | How many plants do you know that concentrate all their energy into | growing one long stalk? There are fundamental disagreements of approach, | which are not going to get resolved. The most obvious that comes to mind | is: do we stroke the furry hooves of VST support or persevere with the | limitations of LADSPA? You will notice that the major distros (Debian; | SuSE; RedHat; Gentoo &c.) have sub-distros to a greater or lesser | extent. It is logical that there will be as many Audio sub-distros too. | | JAD isn't just YALAD. Most of the distros you mention are Debian based, | for a start. Some people actually _like_ KDE/E11t on their desktop, they | _want_ their OS to roll over and wave its legs in the air every time a | proprietary plug-in comes along. I'll just be glad not to have to field | comments from people who think that Debian is somehow broken because it | doesn't do this. | | We all get different itches, hence the wide variety of scratching | devices. Some people even like to collect them all! YMWV | | Sometimes I wonder whether we all just need a liver cleanse. ;) | | cheers, | | tim | /|\ (sorry about my english) Well, when Musix started on Jun 2005, it was really difficult to make music using jack, so, we started from a Knoppix distro and upgraded many packages to debian/unstable; in this way jackd would be more stable. Also, those days the Live-CDs where not so user friendly (i mean dyne:bolic, for instance); aGNUla/DeMuDi was a great project, but the Live-CD wasn't too usable, and it had problems to get developer involved into their project. If you want to show a friend how does GNU/Linux works, it's easy to launch a live-cd, at least, it's faster than a full installation (if you want to, you can install Musix) Also, spanish, catalan, euskera, portuguese speakers users did not had tech support in their languages, so Musix started with spanish mailing lists and forums. I remember that DSSI plugins were not included on any distro, so we included them and enabled Rosegarden to work with them. Another good point, maybe, was to "build" light but functional desktops, for instance: icewm+rox, fluxbox+rox; but you can use KDE out of the box if you want to. Also, I think Free Software gives us some power, the power of the freedom, the ethics, the total control of our hardware, so Musix is 100% free as in freedom. Including and using non free software into our distros, would make us weak, and we would miss the point: why did the Free Software movement started on 1984? To replace all the non-free software. Now Musix 1.0 derivates from Debian/Stable and Knoppix (so it's really stable) and it is still using only one CD (live-cd), but we have both Ardour 0.99.3, and Ardour 2.0.5, jackd 0.103, rosegarden 1.5.1, many DSSI plugins, musix-freepats-extras, and many other packages are being incorporated to our repositories (clam, horgand, kdenlive, campcaster, wired, rivendell, sonic-visualiser, lmms 0.3, qjackctl_0.3.1a, linux-image-2.6.22.1-rt4, etc.). In some weeks we will have a Live-DVD too, supporting all languages and with plenty of more software, etc. We have a roadmap (to be translated soon), and we will follow the Debian's ways (releasing testing versions soon), but upgrading some packages into the Musix's stable version to be compatible with debian/stable releases, so you can have an stable and updated system. --      `&'       #    Marcos Guglielmetti, co-director de                     #   Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre para artistas            _#_       http://www.musix.org.ar                (#)         / O \    + archivos: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix    ( === )   Ecología: http://autosus.wordpress.com         `---'    Personal: http://marcospcmusica.wordpress.com "¡Ya cállate, cállate, cállate que me desespeeeeras!" http://es.wikiquote.org/wiki/El_Chavo_del_Ocho

Dave Phillips wrote: Yes, you would be better off comparing JAD to the 32bit version of 64 Studio. However, I have a rough idea of what your partitioning schemes already look like and I don't blame you for not installing both. ;) cheers, tim /|\

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:14:26 -0400 Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote: I'm still 32-bit here, but I know there have been 64-bit versions of the Planet for a while now. I don't know how it compares to the 32-bit version. The website documentation (which Fernando admits is lagging woefully behind) lists FC6 as the latest release, while 7 is in fact, the latest, and says that not all packages have been built for 64-bit. That may have changed. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh(a)brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa

On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 08:14 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: Ooohhhh.... :-) You'll have to get yet another room ready, Planet CCRMA has not mellowed in its old age. To see the available 64 bit packages surf to: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetcore/7/x86_… http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/7/x86… (first is core components, kernel, etc, second is app packages - some apps come from the Fedora repo now so don't get surprised if you see some obvious stuff missing, it is not) I've cleared you up for landing rights on the Planet... Some esoteric stuff like chuck/pd is not yet built on x86_64, otherwise I think most packages are there. -- Fernando