16 May
2006
16 May
'06
4 p.m.
Okay guys,
A little off-topic here, but I need a mixer. I've got Ardour working
great now, and I'm ready to do some recording, possibly some live
recording of my trio. Here's my problem: I need a mixer that will
let me listen to the current mix, and only send what I want to record
to my inputs. My Mackie 1202-VLZ did this via "Alt Outs." I could
press a button on a channel, and only that channel went to the alt
outputs, meaning I could listen to the whole mix on my mixer and only
record what I wanted to.
So the obvious answer here is "buy another Mackie," but they are a
little pricey. If I can get out cheap, or maybe buy a higher quality
mixer used, I would do that. I've looked into Behringer mixers, but
they don't seem to be able to do the alt output trick. Also, there
are a lot of digital mixers on eBay (EZ-Bus, Tascam, Roland, Yamaha
01-V) that look good and only cost around $300 or less.
Any opinions? What are you guys using in your home studios?
--
Josh Lawrence
http://www.hardbop200.com
16 May
16 May
4:50 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer
I consider mixers obsolete in the studio.
I recommend you simply hook up your sound interface's outputs to active
studio monitors and control which tracks are to be recorded and played
with ardour's per-track 'mute' and 'rec' buttons.
Carlo
5:17 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:49:41PM +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote:
I consider mixers obsolete in the studio.
I recommend you simply hook up your sound interface's outputs to active
studio monitors and control which tracks are to be recorded and played
with ardour's per-track 'mute' and 'rec' buttons.
In principle this is of course correct. But:
- if you do all mixing in Ardour you need a sound card
with lots of inputs,
- if you need to provide (headphone) monitoring for the
musicians you also need multiple outputs,
- ardour is not very well equipped to make monitor mixes
(as each send fader is in a separate window),
- there is some additional latency.
So for a setup with just a 2-ch soundcard an external mixer
is no luxury. But then you could of course consider spending
the money for the mixer on a multichannel interface...
In my case, I do have 8 in/outs on the computer, and a mixer
fully equipped for 8-track recording, and I wouldn't want to
work without it. Being able to do monitor mixes independent
of the work on the computer is very handy. It's also very
practical just for connecting and routing everything.
--
FA
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6:49 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer
Fons, just think out of the box and mix digital. It will save you
thousands of dollars when you go ultra-high-end.
Carlo
8:41 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 10:48:57PM +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote:
Fons, just think out of the box and mix digital. It
will save you
thousands of dollars when you go ultra-high-end.
No problem, final mixes are always done using just Ardour, and I
have no intention to buy a 40 input external mixer...
But the one I do have is very useful, for the reasons I gave
in the previous post - flexible routing and monitoring while
recording. Also for simple but practical things like talkback.
And in many cases I do mix 'live' and just record the stereo
result. For some types of music that's the natural way to do
things - you don't want to fiddle with it afterwards.
--
FA
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5:58 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer
On 5/16/06, Carlo Capocasa <capocasa(a)gmx.net> wrote:
I consider mixers obsolete in the studio.
I recommend you simply hook up your sound interface's outputs to active
studio monitors and control which tracks are to be recorded and played
with ardour's per-track 'mute' and 'rec' buttons.
That's exactly what I've been getting hung up on, but I think I might
have found a solution: use a headphone amp. I don't have monitors (I
have young children, and most of my work is done at night, so I have
to keep it quiet). I think I'll just run the output into a headphone
amp. That should work, shouldn't it?
--
Josh Lawrence
http://www.hardbop200.com
6:44 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer
That's exactly what I've been getting hung up
on, but I think I might
have found a solution: use a headphone amp. I don't have monitors (I
have young children, and most of my work is done at night, so I have
to keep it quiet). I think I'll just run the output into a headphone
amp. That should work, shouldn't it?
You might not even need that. Simply get two lover's style headphone
splitters and plug them in your sound card's headphone out. I suspect
you will get enough volume to record.
Carlo
17 May
17 May
2:24 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer
On 5/16/06, Josh Lawrence <hardbop200(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/16/06, Carlo Capocasa <capocasa(a)gmx.net>
wrote:
This is exactly what I do now: I use a headphone amp connected to
outputs 1 and 2 of my Delta 66. The headphone amp has pass-through
line outputs so I also connect my hifi for when I want to use
speakers.
I like this a lot more than trying to use a small mixer for both mic
inputs and monitoring, since I'm incapable of remembering to mute the
mixer channels I'm using for monitoring while recording!
The on-board Delta mixer, when used with envy24control, works out pretty well.
I consider mixers obsolete in the studio.
I recommend you simply hook up your sound interface's outputs to active
studio monitors and control which tracks are to be recorded and played
with ardour's per-track 'mute' and 'rec' buttons.
That's exactly what I've been getting hung up on, but I think I might
have found a solution: use a headphone amp. I don't have monitors (I
have young children, and most of my work is done at night, so I have
to keep it quiet). I think I'll just run the output into a headphone
amp. That should work, shouldn't it?
--
Josh Lawrence
http://www.hardbop200.com
16 May
16 May
5:06 p.m.
Josh Lawrence wrote:
A little off-topic here, but I need a mixer. I've
got Ardour working
great now, and I'm ready to do some recording, possibly some live
recording of my trio. Here's my problem: I need a mixer that will
let me listen to the current mix, and only send what I want to record
to my inputs. My Mackie 1202-VLZ did this via "Alt Outs." I could
press a button on a channel, and only that channel went to the alt
outputs, meaning I could listen to the whole mix on my mixer and only
record what I wanted to.
So the obvious answer here is "buy another Mackie," but they are a
little pricey. If I can get out cheap, or maybe buy a higher quality
mixer used, I would do that. I've looked into Behringer mixers, but
they don't seem to be able to do the alt output trick. Also, there
are a lot of digital mixers on eBay (EZ-Bus, Tascam, Roland, Yamaha
01-V) that look good and only cost around $300 or less.
Any opinions? What are you guys using in your home studios?
I use Ardour and a Delta1010 (with some outboard DSP gear and mike
pre-amps). With the Delta1010 and a pair of monitors and a headphone
amp, I find an outboard mixer superfluous. What are you using for your
audio interface?
-- Brett
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http://www.alhazred.com
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5:59 p.m.
On 5/16/06, Brett McCoy <idragosani(a)chapelperilous.net> wrote:
I use Ardour and a Delta1010 (with some outboard DSP
gear and mike
pre-amps). With the Delta1010 and a pair of monitors and a headphone
amp, I find an outboard mixer superfluous. What are you using for your
audio interface?
-- Brett
I'm using a Delta 44, but I'm thinking about replacing it since it has
no XLR ins for mics. Maybe an Edirol UA-1000 or UA-25 and a headphone
amp (as mentioned before).
Man, I'm sure glad I emailed this list. It never occured to me that I
wouldn't need a mixer it all. Sometimes the simplest solutions are so
hard to come to...
--
Josh Lawrence
http://www.hardbop200.com
6:16 p.m.
Josh Lawrence wrote:
I'm using a Delta 44, but I'm thinking about
replacing it since it has
no XLR ins for mics. Maybe an Edirol UA-1000 or UA-25 and a headphone
amp (as mentioned before).
When I bought an interface I chose the Delta1010 because of it's
balanced I/O - leaving me free to upgrade my mic-pre's whenever I like.
RE the bigger picture;
A small 'fix' to my mixer (documented in it's manual) allowed the 4 mic
pre's to be assigned to independent outs, thus leaving the
tape-monitor/output section free for headphone amp duties (I also added
external switching to route the playback/monitor to hifi, monitor or
none - independent of the headphone).
Add to this the Envy chipset's zero-latency monitor, and I have the
choice of low-latency 'wet' monitor, or higher latency 'dry' monitor.
I don't know your equipment, but this may be a useful setup for you
(single headphone of course).
HTH
Rob
6:19 p.m.
Josh Lawrence wrote:
On 5/16/06, Brett McCoy
<idragosani(a)chapelperilous.net> wrote:
Are the ins balanced (TRS 1/4)? You should be able to use XLR->TRS for
the inputs (might need a pre-amp also, don't know if the 44 has 'em
built in).
A headphone amp is a good idea -- and since the Delta cards have that
zero-latency hardware monitoring, you should be set. On my setup, I use
one pair of outs for the monitors and one pair for the headphone amp.
-- Brett
--
Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night
http://www.alhazred.com
http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com
http://www.revelmoon.com
I use Ardour and a Delta1010 (with some outboard
DSP gear and mike
pre-amps). With the Delta1010 and a pair of monitors and a headphone
amp, I find an outboard mixer superfluous. What are you using for your
audio interface?
-- Brett
I'm using a Delta 44, but I'm thinking about replacing it since it has
no XLR ins for mics. Maybe an Edirol UA-1000 or UA-25 and a headphone
amp (as mentioned before). 
17 May
17 May
9:06 a.m.
Josh Lawrence wrote:
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I'm using a Delta 44, but I'm thinking about
replacing it since it has
no XLR ins for mics.
Maybe an Edirol UA-1000 or UA-25 and a headphone
amp (as mentioned before).
The Delta44 does have balanced input-outputs. I use it with M-Audio DMP3
mic preamp (which has balanced IO as well) using TRS->XLR adapters and
I'm very satisfied with the quality (well, if I could lay my hands on a
good mic now... ;) )
ciao
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