18 Dec
2009
18 Dec
'09
10:29 a.m.
Hi All,
Here is my last track of the year (although probably not finished).
Early 90's shoegaze style with lots of nods in the direction of the
likes of My Bloody Valentine, and probably/maybe some Goth influences too??
All recorded with Renoise:
http://drop.io/mcrx9js
As always, comments and criticisms gratefully received..
One thing I'm not totally happy with is the "fizzy" distortion. I think
this might just be a result of using the computer rather than a valve
amp, but I'm particularly interested in improving this aspect...
James
18 Dec
18 Dec
11:52 a.m.
James Stone wrote:
All recorded with Renoise:
http://drop.io/mcrx9js
Sounds ok, but the distorted sounds are much too loud, about 4-8 db. I
don't like the downwards bend, maybe do a little less of it.
One thing I'm not totally happy with is the
"fizzy" distortion.
Did you try the cabinet simulation in the 2.5 beta? I think they are
pretty good, although I didn't try emulating "real" distortion...
--
Atte
http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk
11:53 a.m.
Atte André Jensen wrote:
Sounds ok, but the distorted sounds are much too loud,
In my humble opinion, of course :-)
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Atte
http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk
12:45 p.m.
Thanks for listening!
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Atte André Jensen
<atte.jensen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Not yet - I'm using a demo version, so no access to that.. Still, I'm
really sold on the program - particularly the vocal capture bit - so I
will probably buy full version (and get access to the beta) in the new
year once I feel I'm allowed to spend money on myself again!
James
James Stone wrote:
Ah. OK.. but maybe that's part of the style.. Vocals buried, too loud
distorted guitars, weird pitch bends sounding like tape issues.. Not
sure if you know the sound but listen to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LseSx_hPJyQ
(and the related songs from that album)
to get an idea of what I was aiming for.
But I agree it all sounds amazingly over-loud despite being <0 dB overall.
Personally I like the pitch bending, but not 100% sold on the
distortion, so I will attempt some more alterations.
All recorded with Renoise:
http://drop.io/mcrx9js
Sounds ok, but the distorted sounds are much too loud, about 4-8 db. I
don't like the downwards bend, maybe do a little less of it.
One thing
I'm not totally happy with is the "fizzy" distortion.
Did you try the cabinet simulation in the 2.5 beta? I think they are
pretty good, although I didn't try emulating "real" distortion...
1:30 p.m.
James Stone wrote:
Ah. OK.. but maybe that's part of the style..
Vocals buried, too loud
distorted guitars, weird pitch bends sounding like tape issues.. Not
sure if you know the sound but listen to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LseSx_hPJyQ
No I didn't listen to that. I still think you're doing it too extreme.
Did you try to do A/B comparison? For instance import the Bloody
Velantine in renoise and play it back next to yours...
Regarding the bend, maybe try to make it rhythmically clearer, more
precise and faster.
--
Atte
http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk
2:05 p.m.
Il giorno Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:29:37 +0000
James Stone <jamesmstone(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:
As always, comments and criticisms gratefully
received..
this song reminds me a song of "the jesus and mary chain":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKN3QodIRW8
and something (in voice) of "wedding present" and surely "my bloody
valentine".
i liked it but i think it is not very original.
ciao
Luigi
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Io sono
lo sbaglio, il momento di confusione, l'inopportuno
Non sono niente.
Non sarò mai niente.
Non posso volere d'essere niente.
A parte questo, ho in me tutti i sogni del mondo.
F. Pessoa
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3:54 p.m.
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:29:37 +0000
James Stone <jamesmstone(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
Here is my last track of the year (although probably not finished).
Early 90's shoegaze style with lots of nods in the direction of the
likes of My Bloody Valentine, and probably/maybe some Goth influences too??
All recorded with Renoise:
http://drop.io/mcrx9js
As always, comments and criticisms gratefully received..
One thing I'm not totally happy with is the "fizzy" distortion. I think
this might just be a result of using the computer rather than a valve
amp, but I'm particularly interested in improving this aspect...
James
First, I must say I don't know this style at all, even so I found the
distortion far too heavy and prominent. I had to really struggle to
hear anything else.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
4:43 p.m.
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:29:37 +0000
James Stone <jamesmstone(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone:
This is a pretty good attempt at a shoegaze sound, but something is kind of
off.
I'm guessing that's based on how it was produced. to me it sounds like some
sort of
80s style minimal synth/darkwave, which isn't a bad thing.
To me, the 'distorted' part sounded less like distortion and more like a
synth with a
wide open filter. Perhaps that's the fizziness referred to earlier.
Now, I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest that for this style
of music
this piece is almost too clean and parts are relatively distinct. MBV's epic
'Loveless'
was actually mixed in mono, maybe that helps to get a more authentic
shoegaze sound.
In closing, thanks for trying something that is probably an overlooked style
on this list.
cheers,
ernst
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Hi All,
Here is my last track of the year (although probably not finished).
Early 90's shoegaze style with lots of nods in the direction of the
likes of My Bloody Valentine, and probably/maybe some Goth influences
too??
All recorded with Renoise:
http://drop.io/mcrx9js
As always, comments and criticisms gratefully received..
One thing I'm not totally happy with is the "fizzy" distortion. I think
this might just be a result of using the computer rather than a valve
amp, but I'm particularly interested in improving this aspect...
James
First, I must say I don't know this style at all, even so I found the
distortion far too heavy and prominent. I had to really struggle to
hear anything else.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
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5:04 p.m.
On 18/12/2009, "Ernie Dulanowsky" <ernst(a)pulsewidth.ca> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Folderol
<folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
It reminds me particularly of "loomer" or "sometimes" from loveless.
I think what's missing is the strumming sounds. IIRC there's only a
couple of tracks on loveless where you can't actually here the guitars
being strummed behind all the constant (fantastic) noise.
I really like the noise on your song, but maybe it does not quite go far
enough, it might need a few more layers of noise - the synth is a little
too clear.
But saying that, you probably to arrive at your own sound rather than
emulate MBV, so it's not fair to say you don't sound enough like them
;-)
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:29:37 +0000
James Stone <jamesmstone(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone:
This is a pretty good attempt at a shoegaze sound, but something is kind of
off.
I'm guessing that's based on how it was produced. to me it sounds like some
sort of
80s style minimal synth/darkwave, which isn't a bad thing.
To me, the 'distorted' part sounded less like distortion and more like a
synth with a
wide open filter. Perhaps that's the fizziness referred to earlier.
Now, I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest that for this style
of music
this piece is almost too clean and parts are relatively distinct. MBV's epic
'Loveless' Hi All,
Here is my last track of the year (although probably not finished).
Early 90's shoegaze style with lots of nods in the direction of the
likes of My Bloody Valentine, and probably/maybe some Goth influences
too??
All recorded with Renoise:
http://drop.io/mcrx9js
As always, comments and criticisms gratefully received..
One thing I'm not totally happy with is the "fizzy" distortion. I think
this might just be a result of using the computer rather than a valve
amp, but I'm particularly interested in improving this aspect...
James
First, I must say I don't know this style at all, even so I found the
distortion far too heavy and prominent. I had to really struggle to
hear anything else.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
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19 Dec
19 Dec
7:04 p.m.
james morris wrote:
On 18/12/2009, "Ernie Dulanowsky"
<ernst(a)pulsewidth.ca> wrote:
Thanks James and Ernst for your very kind comments!
I will continue to work on this one - maybe some more layers would be a
good idea.. maybe a real guitar or two! :)
I think "fizziness" is a criticism commonly made of digital emulation of
valve distortion, however I've never heard it as badly as on this track.
When I have a bit more time I will experiment with some sounds from my
V-Amp..
The main thing that really grates for me on this track now is my vocals
- feel really constricted and even slightly off-time (certainly out of
tune) in places. Think I need to get a singer! :)
James
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Folderol
<folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
It reminds me particularly of "loomer" or "sometimes" from loveless.
I think what's missing is the strumming sounds. IIRC there's only a
couple of tracks on loveless where you can't actually here the guitars
being strummed behind all the constant (fantastic) noise.
I really like the noise on your song, but maybe it does not quite go far
enough, it might need a few more layers of noise - the synth is a little
too clear.
But saying that, you probably to arrive at your own sound rather than
emulate MBV, so it's not fair to say you don't sound enough like them
;-) On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:29:37 +0000
James Stone <jamesmstone(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone:
This is a pretty good attempt at a shoegaze sound, but something is kind of
off.
I'm guessing that's based on how it was produced. to me it sounds like some
sort of
80s style minimal synth/darkwave, which isn't a bad thing.
To me, the 'distorted' part sounded less like distortion and more like a
synth with a
wide open filter. Perhaps that's the fizziness referred to earlier.
Now, I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest that for this style
of music
this piece is almost too clean and parts are relatively distinct. MBV's epic
'Loveless' Hi All,
Here is my last track of the year (although probably not finished).
Early 90's shoegaze style with lots of nods in the direction of the
likes of My Bloody Valentine, and probably/maybe some Goth influences
too??
All recorded with Renoise:
http://drop.io/mcrx9js
As always, comments and criticisms gratefully received..
One thing I'm not totally happy with is the "fizzy" distortion. I think
this might just be a result of using the computer rather than a valve
amp, but I'm particularly interested in improving this aspect...
James
First, I must say I don't know this style at all, even so I found the
distortion far too heavy and prominent. I had to really struggle to
hear anything else.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
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18 Dec
18 Dec
5:19 p.m.
James Stone wrote:
Hi All,
Here is my last track of the year (although probably not finished).
Early 90's shoegaze style with lots of nods in the direction of the
likes of My Bloody Valentine, and probably/maybe some Goth influences too??
All recorded with Renoise:
http://drop.io/mcrx9js
Oh Yeah. The Valentines, Ride, Swervedriver et al were about 25% of my musical
landscape of the earlu 1990s.
On hearing this I imediately thought of Soon.
Erik
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19 Dec
19 Dec
6:58 p.m.
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
James Stone wrote:
Wow! What a compliment! Thanks!
James
Hi All,
Here is my last track of the year (although probably not finished).
Early 90's shoegaze style with lots of nods in the direction of the
likes of My Bloody Valentine, and probably/maybe some Goth influences too??
All recorded with Renoise:
http://drop.io/mcrx9js
Oh Yeah. The Valentines, Ride, Swervedriver et al were about 25% of my musical
landscape of the earlu 1990s.
On hearing this I imediately thought of Soon.
Erik 
18 Dec
18 Dec
8:32 p.m.
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, James Stone wrote:
Here is my last track of the year (although probably
not finished).
Early 90's shoegaze style with lots of nods in the direction of the
likes of My Bloody Valentine, and probably/maybe some Goth influences too??
Pretty nice... thanks for sharing.
One thing I'm not totally happy with is the
"fizzy" distortion. I think
this might just be a result of using the computer rather than a valve
amp, but I'm particularly interested in improving this aspect...
Especially after listening to the MBV link you posted, I
think you're pretty close with this sound. (I'll call it
the "guitar" part... even though I think it's a synth.)
Prob. all you need to do is turn down the mids... maybe add
a stereo delay with a very short delay (20-100 ms), and a
different delay time for L/R. (BTW, I'm a guitar player...)
Also, I think you need to turn up the bass and the drum
parts a lot (compared to your distortion sound). Maybe for
the bass part, take off the distortion. This may mean you
have to turn down the "guitar" part a little bit. Also
consider adding a little more motion to the bass line.
The vocals being a little low is fine... but they should
maybe stand out a /little/ more. If you turn down the mids
on the "guitar" part... I think it will help in this area,
too.
I like the reverb on the drums a lot. :-)
HTH,
Gabriel
19 Dec
19 Dec
6:57 p.m.
Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, James Stone wrote:
Thanks for listening! The main problem with the distortion sound is that
there are no highs - I have to cut them as they are just digital
distortion - and very unpleasant. I will have a tweak with things as you
suggest and see if I can get it a bit better.
Here is my last track of the year (although
probably not finished).
Early 90's shoegaze style with lots of nods in the direction of the
likes of My Bloody Valentine, and probably/maybe some Goth influences
too??
Pretty nice... thanks for sharing.
One thing I'm not totally happy with is the
"fizzy" distortion. I think
this might just be a result of using the computer rather than a valve
amp, but I'm particularly interested in improving this aspect...
Especially after listening to the MBV link you posted, I think you're
pretty close with this sound. (I'll call it the "guitar" part... even
though I think it's a synth.) Prob. all you need to do is turn down the
mids... maybe add a stereo delay with a very short delay (20-100 ms),
and a different delay time for L/R. (BTW, I'm a guitar player...)
Also, I think you need to turn up the bass and the
drum parts a lot
(compared to your distortion sound). Maybe for the bass part, take off
the distortion. This may mean you have to turn down the "guitar" part a
little bit. Also consider adding a little more motion to the bass line.
OK.. sounds good.
The vocals being a little low is fine... but they
should maybe stand out
a /little/ more. If you turn down the mids on the "guitar" part... I
think it will help in this area, too.
I like the reverb on the drums a lot. :-)
Thanks!
James
7:55 p.m.
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, James Stone wrote:
Thanks for listening! The main problem with the
distortion sound is that
there are no highs - I have to cut them as they are just digital
distortion - and very unpleasant. I will have a tweak with things as you
suggest and see if I can get it a bit better.
Um, there were highs. :-)
Just put an EQ after the distortion. Turn down the
frequencies around 300 Hz.
Peace,
Gabriel
20 Dec
20 Dec
9:31 a.m.
Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, James Stone wrote:
Really helpful! Thanks!
Sounding better, may repost once more happy - if people can bear to hear
it!
James
Thanks for listening! The main problem with the
distortion sound is that
there are no highs - I have to cut them as they are just digital
distortion - and very unpleasant. I will have a tweak with things as you
suggest and see if I can get it a bit better.
Um, there were highs. :-)
Just put an EQ after the distortion. Turn down the frequencies around
300 Hz.
21 Dec
21 Dec
1:21 p.m.
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:31 PM, James Stone <jamesmstone(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote:
Having seen MBV and Swervedriver a few weeks ago, this definitely would fit in
Although if anything, the vocals were too prominent :)
And the distortion would sound great through the MBV PA system/amp stacks
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, James Stone wrote:
Really helpful! Thanks!
Sounding better, may repost once more happy - if people can bear to hear
it!
Thanks for listening! The main problem with the
distortion sound is that
there are no highs - I have to cut them as they are just digital
distortion - and very unpleasant. I will have a tweak with things as you
suggest and see if I can get it a bit better.
Um, there were highs. :-)
Just put an EQ after the distortion. Turn down the frequencies around
300 Hz.
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