19 Apr
2006
19 Apr
'06
11:39 a.m.
Hello, all!
Me and my girlfriend are planning a trip to Europe for a month between
May and June.
It will be our first trip abroad, so please help if you can with a good advice.
Since it's not so easy to get out of here (russia), and I can't visit
all that great & numerous openlab's etc., one of the main goals is
"community building":
I'd like to meet (at least some of ) you, LADs/LAUs, in person.
Current plan is (yes, it's huge):
Moscow
St.Petersurg
--
Helsinki
Stockholm
Berlin
Koeln
Brussels
London
Paris
Bourdeaux
Madrid
Barcelona,Figeras
Genova
Milan?
Rome
Venice
Vienna
Prague
--
Moscow
There are two main questions
(lonelyplanet.com helps a bit, but residents can say much more):
1) what is the cheapest way to travel inside europe?
Bus? Airplane? If it's by air, how can we buy cheapest tickets? Which
company? How much days before the flight? etc. Or may be hitchhiking?
2) how hard is to find cheap place to sleep?
AND
Where can we meet YOU?
Sorry, we don't know exact dates as we are researching on european
visa (trip begins from Helsinki, since it seems the easiest way to get
into europe).
Sincerely,
Dmitry.
19 Apr
19 Apr
12:22 p.m.
Dmitry Baikov schrieb:
Hello, all!
Me and my girlfriend are planning a trip to Europe for a month between
May and June.
It will be our first trip abroad, so please help if you can with a good advice.
Since it's not so easy to get out of here (russia), and I can't visit
all that great & numerous openlab's etc., one of the main goals is
"community building":
I'd like to meet (at least some of ) you, LADs/LAUs, in person.
Current plan is (yes, it's huge):
Moscow
St.Petersurg
--
Helsinki
Stockholm
Berlin
Koeln
Brussels
London
Paris
Bourdeaux
Madrid
Barcelona,Figeras
Genova
Milan?
Rome
Venice
Vienna
Prague
--
Moscow
There are two main questions
(lonelyplanet.com helps a bit, but residents can say much more):
1) what is the cheapest way to travel inside europe?
Bus? Airplane? If it's by air, how can we buy cheapest tickets? Which
company? How much days before the flight? etc. Or may be hitchhiking?
train is expensive, at least here in germany.
by air may be much cheaper, if you use one of those "cheap-airlines"
rainair, germanwings, dba, ....
you might have a look at:
www.germanwings.de
www.fly-dba.de
unfortunately this sites are in german
if you need to book a line flight (sorry, do not know how to translate this)
at one of the major airlines (ie. Lufthansa), this could also be expensive.
the problem with the cheap airlines is to get the tickets just for the
date where you want to fly.
the cheap tickets might be sold out for that day, and either you would
need to pay an expensive airline,
or an expensive ticket for the cheapo-airline.
i don't know anything about travelling by bus. i have heared it should
be cheaper than going by train.
the german train company (www.bahn.de, sorry, also in german) sells
tickets that are called "interrail".
the global ticket last for one month and should be valid across europe.
but i do not have more information.
prices:
for the global ticket:
385,- EUR, if you are below the age of 26,
else 546,- EUR
2) how hard is to find cheap place to sleep?
AND
Where can we meet YOU?
Sorry, we don't know exact dates as we are researching on european
visa (trip begins from Helsinki, since it seems the easiest way to get
into europe).
Sincerely,
Dmitry.
3:56 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [OT] First trip to Europe
Hallo,
Dmitry Baikov hat gesagt: // Dmitry Baikov wrote:
Me and my girlfriend are planning a trip to Europe for
a month between
May and June.
If you happen to be in Koeln at 18.5.2006, you are invited to a
concert I'll give then and there together with a musician/DJ from
Latvia.
German language details here:
http://www.scene-kulturfestival.de/musik-02.html
Ciao
--
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
6:04 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [OT] First trip to Europe
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 05:39:01PM +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote:
Moscow
St.Petersurg
--
Helsinki
Stockholm
Berlin
Koeln
Brussels
London
Paris
Bourdeaux
Madrid
Barcelona,Figeras
Genova
Milan?
Rome
Venice
Vienna
Prague
--
Moscow
If you'd come to Antwerp (45 km from Brussels and a much nicer and
friendlier place), I'd be happy to arrange a B&B in the city center,
indicate the places to go and see, and offer a few (Belgian) beers.
Both Germany and France have a rather efficient high-speed train
system, both also spreading out to Belgium (Brussels and/or Antwerp).
These are not the cheapest, but there are special period tickets
etc. that you should look out for. There is also number of low-
cost airlines operating over most of Europe, but watch out for
the extra costs. If you take everything into account (i.e.
transport between a city center and the not always very near
airport), the HS trains are often cheaper.
--
FA
Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo!
8:30 p.m.
Hi!
Alle 15:39, mercoledì 19 aprile 2006, Dmitry Baikov ha scritto:
Milan?
Ehi, what's the "?" after Milan?:)
Well, the city per se is not gorgeous, but there are things worth to see...
There are other smaller but wonderful cities in Northern Italy, like Bergamo,
Padova, Mantova, Verona, Ferrara and Parma, and the lakes like the Lake of
Como or Lake Maggiore are really beautiful. You know, even George Clooney has
a villa on the latter:)
1) what is the cheapest way to travel inside europe?
Bus? Airplane? If it's by air, how can we buy cheapest tickets? Which
company? How much days before the flight? etc. Or may be hitchhiking?
Trains in Italy are generally not cheap and not reliable. Travelling with
low-cost air companies is cheaper, but I don't know about booking. Hitchiking
can be a funny experience, like when a completely foul guy carried me and my
friend in the most thrilling trip of my life:)
Sorry, we don't know exact dates as we are
researching on european
visa (trip begins from Helsinki, since it seems the easiest way to get
into europe).
Since when Russia is outside Europe?:)
Пока!
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20 Apr
20 Apr
12:35 a.m.
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 23:32, Carotinho was like:
Since when Russia is outside Europe?:)
Similar length of time to the UK. ;p
--
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim
19 Apr
19 Apr
11:41 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe
On 4/19/06, Dmitry Baikov <dsbaikov(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello, all!
Me and my girlfriend are planning a trip to Europe for a month between
May and June.
It will be our first trip abroad, so please help if you can with a good
advice.
Since it's not so easy to get out of here (russia), and I can't visit
all that great & numerous openlab's etc., one of the main goals is
"community building":
I'd like to meet (at least some of ) you, LADs/LAUs, in person.
Current plan is (yes, it's huge):
Moscow
St.Petersurg
--
Helsinki
Stockholm
Berlin
Koeln
Brussels
London
Paris
Bourdeaux
Madrid
Barcelona,Figeras
Genova
Milan?
Rome
Venice
Vienna
Prague
--
Moscow
There are two main questions
(lonelyplanet.com helps a bit, but residents can say much more):
1) what is the cheapest way to travel inside europe?
Bus? Airplane? If it's by air, how can we buy cheapest tickets? Which
company? How much days before the flight? etc. Or may be hitchhiking?
2) how hard is to find cheap place to sleep?
AND
Where can we meet YOU?
Sorry, we don't know exact dates as we are researching on european
visa (trip begins from Helsinki, since it seems the easiest way to get
into europe).
Sincerely,
Dmitry.
When is the trip to asia / australia? I can help a bit for that one too. ;)
Ride sharing is a great way to get places. I went across quite a bit
of europe using it. Including one trip from southern germany to
budapest for only 20 euro for 2 people, picked up at my house and
dropped of at a nice backpackers, travelling in a new bmw 5 series.
http://mitfahrzentrale.de/ and http://www.car-pool.co.uk/ but there
are others too. As far as places to stay, lonely planet lists most of
the backpackers in an area but some you can find from info at the
backpacker you were at before that. The lonely planet europe guide
isn't a bad investment and you'll be supporting an aussie company ;-)
There are bargin train deals in most countries as long as you are a
bit flexible which are usually really handy. If you can live on kebabs
you'll do pretty well most places. Cheap flights are a great way to
get to the uk, but bring a packed lunch, the food is totally inedible.
There are a lot of different airlines and most of the small/cheap ones
go from some tiny airport to some other tiny airport which could be an
issue.
I'd avoid youth hostelling international places like the plague. Only
go there if there isn't a private backpackers. There are often more
expensive, less friendly and less comfortable than a private
backpackers. Some countries there isn't an option though.
I'd recommend going to bratislava and budapest while you are nearby,
and some of switzerland. All are very, very beautiful. Try the cheap
pancakes if you are in bratislava, they are great. Though i count
moscow as part of europe and moscow is actually my fav city in europe.
If you want details of backpackers i've been to per city/country give me a yell.
Loki
20 Apr
20 Apr
1:48 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe
Loki Davison wrote:
On 4/19/06, Dmitry Baikov <dsbaikov(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Me and my girlfriend are planning a trip to Europe for a month between
> May and June.
...
I'd recommend going to bratislava and budapest
while you are nearby,
and some of switzerland. All are very, very beautiful. Try the cheap
pancakes if you are in bratislava, they are great. Though i count
yeah! I was born in bratislava (lived there until 97), the best
pancakes ever are right by railroad station (go away from railroad
station, see small pancake bufet/cafe near first intersection). Well,
unless they went out of business in the meantime, last time I was there
was few years ago:-)
and yes, vienna, bratislava, budapest are all close together so
that's pretty good combo...
erik
4:31 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe
Thank you all for you replies so far. Waiting for more ;)
Need some time to analyse all info, but now some quick answers.
Jens M Andreasen <jens.andreasen(a)chello.se> wrote:
Given the almost unbeliveable long list of places to
visit ...
:) You know, it's a plan. Flexible one. And for a month.
And I don't think we'll travel again in a nearest year or so.
Frank, thank you for invitation, but it's nearly impossible for us to
be there at 18th of May.
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 23:32, Carotinho was like:
Since when Russia is outside Europe?:)
Geographically it is inside, but it's not that easy to get visa.
It turns out we have to drop UK and Chezh since they are out of
Schengen zone and need separate visas. Switzerland is not an option by
the same reason.
Still trying to figure out the easiest way to get visa. The country we
get Schengen visa from should be the first country of our trip. Hope
it will be Finland. But it may be France.
Fons, thanks for your advice. Replaced Brussels with Antwerp. :) I
hope we'll get there.
Carotinho <carotinobg(a)yahoo.it> wrote:
Ehi, what's the "?" after Milan?:)
Sorry, I know each country is very interesting and beautiful and needs
a separate visit. But we want to get the "taste of europe" and look
for places we'll want to study deeper.
Kind regards,
Dmitry.
4:44 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe
On 4/20/06, Dmitry Baikov <dsbaikov(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you all for you replies so far. Waiting for more
;)
Need some time to analyse all info, but now some quick answers.
Jens M Andreasen <jens.andreasen(a)chello.se> wrote:
The french consular service are not really speedy when it comes to
visa's. I'd avoid them.
Loki
Given the almost unbeliveable long list of places
to visit ...
:) You know, it's a plan. Flexible one. And for a month.
And I don't think we'll travel again in a nearest year or so.
Frank, thank you for invitation, but it's nearly impossible for us to
be there at 18th of May.
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 23:32, Carotinho was like:
Since when Russia is outside Europe?:)
Geographically it is inside, but it's not that easy to get visa.
It turns out we have to drop UK and Chezh since they are out of
Schengen zone and need separate visas. Switzerland is not an option by
the same reason.
Still trying to figure out the easiest way to get visa. The country we
get Schengen visa from should be the first country of our trip. Hope
it will be Finland. But it may be France.
7:43 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe
Hallo,
Dmitry Baikov hat gesagt: // Dmitry Baikov wrote:
Thank you all for you replies so far. Waiting for more
;)
One additional advice: I guess you are aware, that the Soccer/Football
world championship is happening in Germany in from June 9 to July 9.
Depending on your preferences you may want to avoid Germany during
that period, as probably most cheaper places to sleep will be very
crowded.
Also Germany will be a police state during that time, at least more so
than usual. OTOH there also will be lots of helping hands for
international travellers on the streets, trained in speaking many
tongues. At least that's what was promised.
Ciao
--
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
10:27 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe
On Thursday 20 April 2006 07:31, Dmitry Baikov was like:
It turns out we have to drop UK and Chezh since they
are out of
Schengen zone and need separate visas. Switzerland is not an option by
the same reason.
Sorry, I know each country is very interesting and
beautiful and needs
a separate visit. But we want to get the "taste of europe" and look
for places we'll want to study deeper.
Much as I would love to have the chance to meet up. I think your decision is
wise. I think if you simply hop around a few big cities, you will not get a
true experience of anywhere. This is especially true of the UK. Maybe next
time you go travelling it would be worth planning to come here. Visit
Scotland and Cornwall and lots of other places in between. London is
overrated, and culturally might as well be a separate country.
--
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim
4:50 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:27:10 +0100
tim hall <tech(a)glastonburymusic.org.uk> wrote:
On Thursday 20 April 2006 07:31, Dmitry Baikov was
like:
... but there are some very nice parts of Kent and Sussex if you keep
away from the main roads :)
--
F
It turns out we have to drop UK and Chezh since
they are out of
Schengen zone and need separate visas. Switzerland is not an option by
the same reason.
Sorry, I know each country is very interesting
and beautiful and needs
a separate visit. But we want to get the "taste of europe" and look
for places we'll want to study deeper.
Much as I would love to have the chance to meet up. I think your decision is
wise. I think if you simply hop around a few big cities, you will not get a
true experience of anywhere. This is especially true of the UK. Maybe next
time you go travelling it would be worth planning to come here. Visit
Scotland and Cornwall and lots of other places in between. London is
overrated, and culturally might as well be a separate country.
10 May
10 May
12:08 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe
To close this thread for now.
Thank you all for your kind and useful responces.
However, it turned out that the main showstopper is visa.
We can't get it for such a long time (a month), as it would be our first one.
Things get even more complicated, since my girlfriend right now is not
a student and does not have a job. They say we should build our
"Shengen history" and after one-two (more - better) short and regular
tours we can hope to get month-long visa anywhere we want.
Taking this into account, we have to postpone our Trip to the next
year and try to make two tours to shengen this year.
It's a pity, since tours via travel agencies are about twice as
expensive, but they are our only legal gates to europe.
Moveover, the choice of the first place to visit is also restricted.
We wanted to make London-Paris tour, but GB has very strict rules and
rules us out. Possibly, it will be France and/or Italy as the most
permissive ones.
Will try to match our DreamTrip with the next LAC.
Kind regards,
Dmitry.
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