29 Nov
2005
29 Nov
'05
6:03 a.m.
Quoting Erik de Castro Lopo <mle+la(a)mega-nerd.com>om>:
MP3 has licensing issues and hence will not be
included in libsndfile.
Are there licensing issues both in decoding & encoding, or just encoding?
Even one way mp3 support in libsndfile would be greatly appreciated.
Sampo
29 Nov
29 Nov
7:21 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] libsndfile - ogg, mp3
Sampo Savolainen wrote:
Quoting Erik de Castro Lopo
<mle+la(a)mega-nerd.com>om>:
I've heard that Thompson has attempted to collect license fees from
people distributing a software decoder.
Erik
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MP3 has licensing issues and hence will not be
included in libsndfile.
Are there licensing issues both in decoding & encoding, or just encoding?
Even one way mp3 support in libsndfile would be greatly appreciated. 
8:26 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] libsndfile - ogg, mp3
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
I've heard that Thompson has attempted to collect
license fees from
people distributing a software decoder.
I'd like verification on that story. My understanding is that
Frauenhofer has gone after only the encoders, not the decoders.
Not that I care that much, IMO we should be using Ogg anyway. :)
Best,
dp
11:29 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] libsndfile - ogg, mp3
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 07:41 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote:
Not that I care that much, IMO we should be using Ogg
anyway. :)
One frequent complaint by ardour users is that they can't drag an mp3 to
a session. If libsndfile would be able to decode an mp3, this would be
possible.
--
Sampo Savolainen <v2(a)iki.fi>
2:29 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] libsndfile - ogg, mp3
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:29:36 +0200
Sampo Savolainen <v2(a)iki.fi> wrote:
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 07:41 -0500, Dave Phillips
wrote:
maybe this part of libsndfile can be simply made optional? i.e. building
with liblame support only when the user requests it? This would leave
the burden of licensing, etc, to the user, no? Same for reading.
Regards,
Flo
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http://tapas.affenbande.org
Not that I care that much, IMO we should be using
Ogg anyway. :)
One frequent complaint by ardour users is that they can't drag an mp3 to
a session. If libsndfile would be able to decode an mp3, this would be
possible. 
2:45 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] libsndfile - ogg, mp3
Alle 09:29, martedì 29 novembre 2005, Sampo Savolainen ha scritto:
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 07:41 -0500, Dave Phillips
wrote:
I agree. Mp3 decoding will be wonderful. It could be nicer through Mad than
mpg123. The cool thing would be: only one one API for widespread audio
formats!
I must say that mp3 decoding libraries, actually, are not at all programmer
friendly. IMHO reasons are outdated C like structs and old programming style.
Libsndfile API is what every audio coder needs.
Please Erik... take one minute for such an idea! ;-P
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See you at OpenJay.org!
Not that I care that much, IMO we should be using
Ogg anyway. :)
One frequent complaint by ardour users is that they can't drag an mp3 to
a session. If libsndfile would be able to decode an mp3, this would be
possible.
1 Dec
1 Dec
4 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] libsndfile - ogg, mp3
Dave Phillips wrote:
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
This does it for me:
http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html
Erik
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Erik de Castro Lopo
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it
from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal, mathematician, 1670
I've heard that Thompson has attempted to
collect license fees from
people distributing a software decoder.
I'd like verification on that story. My understanding is that
Frauenhofer has gone after only the encoders, not the decoders. 
5:55 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] libsndfile - ogg, mp3
On 01/12/05, Erik de Castro Lopo <mle+la(a)mega-nerd.com> wrote:
This does it for me:
Daunting indeed! But see also:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2005-February/msg00040.html
Judging by that, it seems that GPL decoders (and even encoders) may
be ok with the patent holders (though I suspect you'd want to
confirm it with the source of the info).
OTOH, short of an explicit and public exemption clause for non-commercial
use, every encouragement for people to move over to ogg is probably
worthwhile :)
- Pete.
6:26 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] libsndfile - ogg, mp3
Pete Leigh wrote:
On 01/12/05, Erik de Castro Lopo
<mle+la(a)mega-nerd.com> wrote:
This is actually not all that helpful. There are a number of people
linking libsndfile dynamically to commercial applications. Add code
for MP3 then makes it hard for them.
I'd also hate to get into a situation where these people have to pay
someone else to use the library that I have put so much work into ;-).
Erik
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Erik de Castro Lopo
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-- David Beazley at IPC8, on choosing a language for teaching
This does it for me:
Daunting indeed! But see also:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2005-February/msg00040.html
Judging by that, it seems that GPL decoders (and even encoders) may
be ok with the patent holders (though I suspect you'd want to
confirm it with the source of the info).
OTOH, short of an explicit and public exemption clause for non-commercial
use, every encouragement for people to move over to ogg is probably
worthwhile :)
6:22 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] libsndfile - ogg, mp3
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
Dave Phillips wrote:
Thanks, Erik, that does it for me too, at least in the letter terms of
the law. Whether Thomson or Frauenhofer actually pursue the decoders
isn't really the point. It's that they *can* if they so desire, putting
the decoder in a dependent and shaky position.
Nevertheless, I get the impression that importing MP3s into editors,
HDRs, and so on, is standard procedure for Windows users. Is that correct ?
Best,
dp
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
This does it for me:
http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html
Erik
I've heard that Thompson has attempted to
collect license fees from
people distributing a software decoder.
I'd like verification on that story. My understanding is that
Frauenhofer has gone after only the encoders, not the decoders.
2:47 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] libsndfile - ogg, mp3
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 at 19:00 +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
Dave Phillips wrote:
I stand by Erik in not doing mp3. However all you who would like mp3
needn't stand idly by, the code is libre after all. Create an
independent patch and host/advertise it separately. Then you/the user
carry the burden and Erik and libsndfile proper remain free of patent
problems.
--
Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net
There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the
right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bach
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
This does it for me:
http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html I've heard that Thompson has attempted to
collect license fees from
people distributing a software decoder.
I'd like verification on that story. My understanding is that
Frauenhofer has gone after only the encoders, not the decoders.
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