24 Oct
2006
24 Oct
'06
6:55 p.m.
Hi,
I've been trying to set up ZynAddSubFX to perform professionally and
while in theory all is a bed of roses I just can't get the darn thing to
be at least REASONABLY stable enough so I would actually even allow
myself to THINK about going near a stage. No way with this pile of junk.
Don't get me wrong it sounds great, but under real time circumstances
the thing just breaks down. I just can't count the amount of time I
spend re-opening patches.
So frustration expression past, has anybody done what I want to do,
being using Zyn under real time circumstances? And actual real LIFE
circumstances?
Thanks for your input.
Tech specs: 2GHz Pentium 4, Roland Edirol FA-101 on Freebob 1.0,
Dynebolic 2.1. 24/96. Had similar issues with the Internal sound card.
Carlo
24 Oct
24 Oct
7:10 p.m.
On Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 08:52:08PM +0000, Carlo Capocasa wrote:
Hi,
I've been trying to set up ZynAddSubFX to perform professionally and while in theory
all is a bed of roses I just can't get the darn thing to be at least REASONABLY
stable enough so I would actually even allow myself to THINK about going near a stage. No
way with this pile of junk.
Don't get me wrong it sounds great, but under real time circumstances the thing just
breaks down. I just can't count the amount of time I spend re-opening patches.
So frustration expression past, has anybody done what I want to do, being using Zyn under
real time circumstances? And actual real LIFE circumstances?
no but i use the organ patches at church, and it never crashes then...
25 Oct
25 Oct
4:55 a.m.
--- carmen <_(a)whats-your.name> wrote:
On Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 08:52:08PM +0000, Carlo
Capocasa wrote:
Sorry to hear about your stability related bad
experiences with ZynAddSubFX. I haven't had any
problems with it, but I'm not a heavy user yet.
Is anybody actually still developing ZynAddSubFX or do
we have to get along with the latest release for the
rest of the time we use it?
It's a shame if nobody is working on it. It's such an
awesome sounding synthesizer that it would be a shame
if it can't be used for live shows because of the
stability problems.
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Hi,
I've been trying to set up ZynAddSubFX to perform
professionally and while in
theory all is a bed of
roses I just can't get the darn thing to be at least
REASONABLY
stable enough so I would actually even allow
myself to THINK about going near a stage. No way
with this pile of junk. 
6 a.m.
Drucer Ninetynine a écrit :
It's a shame if nobody is working on it. It's
such an
awesome sounding synthesizer that it would be a shame
if it can't be used for live shows because of the
stability problems.
I second this ;)
about the stability, I use 3 instances of zynaddsubfx along with seq24
in live condition and it is rock solid.
I use one for the bass and the rythmic guitar (I never had to change the
parameters for these so it's ok). I only get an xrun each time I load a
new parameter for the third instance (but as said before, it is a good
idea to create 16 instrument in one parameter session and activate or
not the one I need, I will go for it).
I use a gentoo with the 2.6.16-rt29 kernel (the best one I ever had) and
a Terratec PHASE 26 usb soundcard.
Regards
Philippe
8:04 a.m.
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Drucer Ninetynine schrieb:
--- carmen <_(a)whats-your.name> wrote:
Is anybody actually still developing ZynAddSubFX or do
we have to get along with the latest release for the
rest of the time we use it?
Nasca O Paul is still developing it, yet at a slower pace. He reads and
answers in this forum:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=47
let us all hope, that Master Paul keeps working on it, he is sometimes
somewhat weired but a singular genius too ;-)
Really a shame is, that AMS is not actively developed anymore. The
latest versions of ams are absolutely first-class quality software at a
level often sorely missed with many other projects. And that it still
works like a charm in recent systems even adds a lot of admiration for
Matthias Nagorni and Fons Andriaensen.
By the way: (C) of ams is by Suse/Novell so those should be asked, why
the good work is cut...
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11:36 p.m.
Hartmut Noack wrote:
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Drucer Ninetynine schrieb:
It's good to hear that zyn is still being developed. It really is a
beautiful synth.
I have to agree about AMS. Matthias was really cooking up something
great with this software and I'm afraid it'll never be upgraded.
--- carmen <_(a)whats-your.name> wrote:
Is anybody actually still developing ZynAddSubFX
or do
we have to get along with the latest release for the
rest of the time we use it?
Nasca O Paul is still developing it, yet at a slower pace. He reads and
answers in this forum:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=47
let us all hope, that Master Paul keeps working on it, he is sometimes
somewhat weired but a singular genius too ;-)
Really a shame is, that AMS is not actively developed anymore. The
latest versions of ams are absolutely first-class quality software at a
level often sorely missed with many other projects. And that it still
works like a charm in recent systems even adds a lot of admiration for
Matthias Nagorni and Fons Andriaensen.
By the way: (C) of ams is by Suse/Novell so those should be asked, why
the good work is cut...
4:01 p.m.
Drucer Ninetynine wrote:
It's a shame if nobody is working on it. It's
such an
awesome sounding synthesizer that it would be a shame
if it can't be used for live shows because of the
stability problems.
Amen!
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Atte
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| compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions
24 Oct
24 Oct
7:19 p.m.
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:52:08 +0000
Carlo Capocasa <capocasa(a)gmx.net> wrote:
Hi,
I've been trying to set up ZynAddSubFX to perform professionally and
while in theory all is a bed of roses I just can't get the darn thing to
be at least REASONABLY stable enough so I would actually even allow
myself to THINK about going near a stage. No way with this pile of junk.
I've not had much by way of stability problems I could positively lay
at Zyn's door.
Don't get me wrong it sounds great, but under real
time circumstances
the thing just breaks down. I just can't count the amount of time I
spend re-opening patches.
Zyn doesn't seem to like repeated re-loads of patches/instrunents or
parameters. My workaround is set up a complete parameter file per song,
then launch Zyn by running the file (need option -l). I then kill Zyn
when I have finished with that parameter setup (wash, rinse, repeat).
Zyn seems to take up more processor time for every instrument loaded
(up to the maximum of 16) so I make sure that saved parameter files only
contain the ones I want.
So frustration expression past, has anybody done what
I want to do,
being using Zyn under real time circumstances? And actual real LIFE
circumstances?
I don't do any live work as such, but have made a chain of recordings
one after the other without a single problem, and on an elderly Mdk
10.1 install. I work almost exclusively from Rosegarden.
Thanks for your input.
Tech specs: 2GHz Pentium 4, Roland Edirol FA-101 on Freebob 1.0,
Dynebolic 2.1. 24/96. Had similar issues with the Internal sound card.
Carlo
--
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8:06 p.m.
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 23:21, Folderol wrote:
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:52:08 +0000
Carlo Capocasa <capocasa(a)gmx.net> wrote:
One thing you could try, assuming you use zyn under jack and it gets kicked
by it, is to increase the client timeout time with some jackd commandline
option. This way, even if you get audio dropouts, there's a greater chance of
zynaddsubfx actually "recovering" because it doesn't kicked by jack so
quickly.
Flo
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Hi,
I've been trying to set up ZynAddSubFX to perform professionally and
while in theory all is a bed of roses I just can't get the darn thing to
be at least REASONABLY stable enough so I would actually even allow
myself to THINK about going near a stage. No way with this pile of junk.
I've not had much by way of stability problems I could positively lay
at Zyn's door.
Don't get me wrong it sounds great, but under
real time circumstances
the thing just breaks down. I just can't count the amount of time I
spend re-opening patches.
Zyn doesn't seem to like repeated re-loads of patches/instrunents or
parameters. My workaround is set up a complete parameter file per song,
then launch Zyn by running the file (need option -l). I then kill Zyn
when I have finished with that parameter setup (wash, rinse, repeat).
Zyn seems to take up more processor time for every instrument loaded
(up to the maximum of 16) so I make sure that saved parameter files only
contain the ones I want.
> So frustration expression past, has anybody done what I want to do,
> being using Zyn under real time circumstances? And actual real LIFE
> circumstances? 
8:22 p.m.
On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 00:07 +0200, Florian Schmidt wrote:
One thing you could try, assuming you use zyn under
jack and it gets
kicked by it, is to increase the client timeout time with some jackd
commandline option. This way, even if you get audio dropouts, there's
a greater chance of zynaddsubfx actually "recovering" because it
doesn't kicked by jack so quickly.
But this will never happen if JACK is in soft mode which it should be
for live performance...
Lee
8:24 p.m.
On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 18:21 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 00:07 +0200, Florian Schmidt
wrote:
Sorry, I've confused the client timeout with soft mode.
Lee
One thing you could try, assuming you use zyn
under jack and it gets
kicked by it, is to increase the client timeout time with some jackd
commandline option. This way, even if you get audio dropouts, there's
a greater chance of zynaddsubfx actually "recovering" because it
doesn't kicked by jack so quickly.
But this will never happen if JACK is in soft mode which it should be
for live performance... 
25 Oct
25 Oct
4:21 a.m.
On Wednesday 25 October 2006 00:23, Lee Revell wrote:
On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 18:21 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
Isn't softmode also a good thing to enable? Reading the man page (old man page
I think) suggests it ignores xruns from alsa.
I would start jack with:
-R -s -t 4000
/Robert
On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 00:07 +0200, Florian
Schmidt wrote:
Sorry, I've confused the client timeout with soft mode. One thing you could try, assuming you use zyn
under jack and it gets
kicked by it, is to increase the client timeout time with some jackd
commandline option. This way, even if you get audio dropouts, there's
a greater chance of zynaddsubfx actually "recovering" because it
doesn't kicked by jack so quickly.
But this will never happen if JACK is in soft mode which it should be
for live performance...
Lee
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1:18 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX?
But this will
never happen if JACK is in soft mode which it should be
for live performance...
Sorry, I've confused the client timeout with soft mode.
1:24 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX?
On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 15:17 +0000, Carlo Capocasa wrote:
I used the freebob backend so soft mode is grayed in QJactCtl; I assume
this means it cannot be used yet with this backend.
Have you considered that freebob could be the problem? I don't
understand why you expect bleeding edge software to be stable enough for
live use...
Lee
But this will never happen if JACK is in soft mode
which it should be
for live performance...
Sorry, I've confused the client timeout with soft mode.
6:46 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX?
Have you considered that freebob could be the problem?
I don't
understand why you expect bleeding edge software to be stable enough for
live use...
Desperation :)
Seriously though, as mentioned I did quite a hump jump at Zyn, I assume
I simply ran out of CPU cycles, combined with a certain instability Zyn
already had when I was using it with ALSA, mainly in connection with
loading patches. At 44.1 (instead of 96) things work fine now.
FreeBoB is amazingly stable, by the way.
Carlo
6:06 a.m.
New subject: jack soft mode (was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX?)
On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 00:07 +0200, Florian Schmidt
wrote:
not related to zyn, but about soft mode, is this true? I run jack in soft
mode (for live uses) and it still shuts things down if they are too slow,
it just takes a little longer - also if there is an xrun it tends to
result in glitchy audio until I restart everything, is this jack or some
local issue?
cheers,
dave
One thing you could try, assuming you use zyn
under jack and it gets
kicked by it, is to increase the client timeout time with some jackd
commandline option. This way, even if you get audio dropouts, there's
a greater chance of zynaddsubfx actually "recovering" because it
doesn't kicked by jack so quickly.
But this will never happen if JACK is in soft mode which it should be
for live performance...
24 Oct
24 Oct
7:25 p.m.
Carlo Capocasa wrote:
So frustration expression past, has anybody done what
I want to do,
being using Zyn under real time circumstances? And actual real LIFE
circumstances?
I had no stability problems with zynaddsubfx. I didn't perform live with
zyn (my current setups is entirely csound based, it's very stable, and
I've performed even quite large gigs with it), but I work actively
towards doing so. I'll have a real life report for you in a couple of
months, I'll make sure to post my experiences here. You are also welcome
to mail me at any time to hear my findings any time in the process...
--
peace, love & harmony
Atte
http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk
| compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions
25 Oct
25 Oct
1:43 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX?
Hi all! Thank you very much for your replies, I really appreciate the
amount of support here. First off, sorry about the harsh tone towards
Zyn; I was lured into jumping to conclusions in order avoid taking blame
for the instability. Reinvestigating, I found:
* I was running Zyn at 96kHz as an experimentally and somehow switched
my mindset to 'production'.
* I was running ardour on the side (I was going to do my live mixing
with it)
* There was a DJ flanger running in ardour.
* I was running a drum kit with six sub-patches, a synth bass and a
synth guitar.
Toning down Jack to 44.1 kHz and using Jack-Rack for vocal effects
instead of ardour gave me a workable solution for live use.
I was able to test this solution for twelve hours by visiting my
girlfriend 'to say goodnight and leave again' without turning the
sequencer off. When returning (of course) the next morning I was
surprised to see not a single XRun.
This didn't quite work for recording, but to get the Synth into ardour I
managed to get by by increasing the buffer size to 4/1024.
So one could consider this matter resolved and suggest to myself a dual
4GHz AMD box to fulfill my dream of performing live with Zyn at 96kHz.
I would like to see some movement on Zyn though; specifically, it would
be nice to see the Zyn components converted to LADSPA plugins or DSSI
components for use in patchable synths.
Thanks again to everyone for your concern and helpfulness!
Carlo
30 Oct
30 Oct
5:35 a.m.
Hi!
I ACTUALLY perform with it. Not on stage, but at home. I only play it life,
sometimes I record it sometimes I don't. But it has never crashed on me for a
VERY LONG TIME! I don't know if this has anything to do with me using only the
noGUI version of it... Maybe.
Kindest regards
Julien
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Hartmut Noack -
Julien Claassen -
Lee Revell -
Robert Jonsson